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PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18

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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1021 » by robillionaire » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:19 pm

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edgarz wrote:Steven A Smith just shat on Frank on First take

I bet. This guy is a tool.



I don't know if anyone was just watching 1st Take but SAS just went on a rant about how when Lebron James tells people that a player will be great (he's talking about DSJ) that people should listen cause Lebron knows what he's talking about, so Max said to him that Lebron has said something before about a player was gonna be great but he couldn't remember who he was talking about and SAS is like who, i don't remember him ever saying anything but Max couldn't remember but we all know it was when Lebron put out a tweet about S.Napier was gonna be great or the best PG to come out of that draft or something like that. What i'm getting at is i need someone on here that has twitter to send that tweet that Lebron put out about Napier to SAS immediately please.


He would just read it and ignore it because he's a hack
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1022 » by MaseInYourFace » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:20 pm

SAS is a clown but he is just doing what they do on tv. It would be boring if him and Max agreed.

I don't agree Smith was better pick for Knicks but we have to admit Frank is pretty limited offensively right now.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1023 » by F N 11 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:24 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:SAS is a clown but he is just doing what they do on tv. It would be boring if him and Max agreed.

I don't agree Smith was better pick for Knicks but we have to admit Frank is pretty limited offensively right now.

Max is supposed to be devils advocate and he cant even do that right. Frauds. If knicks won they would of been saying some other chit to defuse it.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1024 » by Rotten Apple » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:25 pm

SAS was on vacation during the 2015 draft and went on air anyway to bash Phil and KP :lol:

This is what he does, he’s got nothing to lose.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1025 » by Rotten Apple » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:27 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:SAS is a clown but he is just doing what they do on tv. It would be boring if him and Max agreed.

I don't agree Smith was better pick for Knicks but we have to admit Frank is pretty limited offensively right now.


The thing is idk if he’s limited or not trying to be a force offensively.

That’s another question mark for this team.

Maybe Frank is like I’m the PG, I gotta get everyone involved but sometimes you gotta put pressure on the defense, he doesn’t do that enough or at all for that matter.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1026 » by CharlesOakley » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:28 pm

SAS is the Fox News of sports reporters. He is wrong more than he is right and LeBron clearly knows nothing about talent evaluation based on him wanting Smith and Shumpert and his comments about Frank and Shabazz.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1027 » by TrueWarrior » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:30 pm

Do we have a name for Lance’s nightly pump fake shuffle feet travel? I always look forward to it! That, and him stepping out of bounds every other game. Another fan fave!
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Post#1028 » by F N 11 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:32 pm

All this will make Frank better.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1029 » by newyorker4ever » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:32 pm

Frank worthy of lottery pick.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2744159-save-your-frank-ntilikina-slander-hes-worthy-of-knicks-lottery-pick?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nba

NEW YORK — Forget, for a moment, the image from Monday night, that of a 19-year-old Frank Ntilikina, chest puffed out at LeBron James, like a kid standing up to the bully on the playground for the first time, and the chants of "Frank-ie" filling Madison Square Garden. It's a fun picture, and a telling one, but also secondary to the real story.

Instead, go back to the clips of him using his quick feet to stifle James Harden, or his seven-foot wingspan to overwhelm Dwyane Wade. Go back to the snappy bounce passes he's dropped into the waiting hands of cutters. Go back even further, to the way New York Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek spoke about Ntilikina during the preseason.


"I think the surprising thing for me as a coach is how knowledgeable he is of the game and how he reads things," Hornacek told reporters in during training camp. "You saw some of his raw talent, you saw his length on tape. But when you're here watching him play every day, seeing the plays that he makes, finding the mismatches and getting the ball to that guy quickly—it's probably something he's not even thinking about it, it's just natural. That's something not many guys have, so that's what's been impressive."

Now take this package and sprinkle in the temerity to stand up to the coolest kid in school and you have a prospect that every team in the league would love to have. It's way too early in the respective careers of both he and Dennis Smith Jr. to fall into the binary trap, expertly laid by James over the weekend, of comparing the two. But 11 games into his NBA career, Ntilikina has proven himself worthy of his lottery selection.




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He's already one of the top perimeter defenders in the league. GMs and coaches will tell you the ability to stop penetration is one of the most valuable and rare skills. And his physical profile means he's capable of guarding both point guards and wings.

He's first in steals per 100 possessions and second in deflections per 36 minutes (both stats minimum five games games), according to NBA.com. He's able to jump passing lanes and pick pockets without bailing on assignments. A film junkie—he mentions watching film nearly every time he speaks with the media—he's rapidly picking up the flows of opposing NBA attacks.

"He's starting to become a lot more vocal, calling out screens and coverages. He's really grown a lot," Knicks forward Lance Thomas told Bleacher Report.

His offensive game is still raw. He's passive with the ball, and is often reluctant to drive or shoot. Ninety-eight percent of players take a larger chunk of their shots at the rim, according to Cleaning the Glass. Ntilikina is also only shooting 50 percent at the hoop (per Basketball Reference), a below-average rate, part of which can be chalked up to him frequently hesitating while attacking. And the 23.8 percent he's shooting from deep is not a strong enough clip.

And yet none of these struggles should be alarming. Ntilikina drilled 38 percent of his treys in France last year. He has the ability to stroke it from deep, it's just a matter of just a matter of finding his comfort zone. He's also not the first international rookie to struggle with the NBA's farther three-point line. As Chris Herring's 2015 Wall Street Journal study pointed out, various marksmen, from Dirk Nowitzki to Peja Stojakovic, have seen dramatic improvements in their long-range shooting following their rookie seasons.


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He'll eventually grow comfortable from there. That will open more lanes for him, which will likely make him more aggressive. He's also still just a teenager in a foreign country playing among grown men. It's not surprising that he might feel a bit subservient to his teammates, that he might be working extra hard to hit them for open looks as opposed to hunting his own.

"The NBA is not a huge adjustment, but there are things I need to get used to," Ntilikina told Bleacher Report earlier this year. "The physicality a little bit, the pace of the game, the speed of players. But I'm ready for this."

Perhaps most telling is how his head coach seems to feel the same way. Hornacek, after all, is the same coach who's relegated Willy Hernangomez, a member of the NBA's All-Rookie team last year, to the end of the bench. He prefers veterans, yet is already giving Ntilikina the majority of the team's crunch-time minutes, and for good reason: The Knicks have been 12.1 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor, according to Basketball Reference.

It might take years for us to learn whether the Knicks erred by choosing Ntilikina over Smith, whose 48-inch vertical and Russell Westbrook-like burst make him the flashier player. But that doesn't mean Ntilikina is a stiff. With his defense, passing (8.3 assists per 36 minutes, per Basketball Reference) and overall feel for the game, he's shown that he's a prospect the Knicks can feel comfortable building around.

Couple him with Kristaps Porzingis and suddenly the future of the team looks bright. It's been a while since anyone could say that of the Knicks. Porzingis is clearly the reason why, but Ntilikina's quiet emergence means the unicorn has a parter to help him carry the load.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1030 » by Greenie » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:33 pm

Me looking for a fuq to give about what SAS says...
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1031 » by Synciere » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:33 pm

K P 6 wrote:Yo somebody said "You a B*tch Lebron. Delonte your daddy and Kanter got next on Gloria." Well damn.


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Post#1032 » by Rotten Apple » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:34 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:SAS is the Fox News of sports reporters. He is wrong more than he is right and LeBron clearly knows nothing about talent evaluation based on him wanting Smith and Shumpert and his comments about Frank and Shabazz.


JR helped win him a ring.

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Post#1033 » by cruwinas » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:34 pm

Good L for the Knicks. Good cold shower. Theoretically, people learn from their mistakes. Now, for the rest of the season, all the players and coach should obligatory watch video before every game labeled "How not to play like completely stupid morons with no balls in the fourth quarter." For the three quarters one team played exiting, passionate game, while other tried to try. Tried to try to play for their King.
On the other side - NBA front office will have to apply big effort to drag King's a$$ deep into postseason. Not going to be easy, though The King can get away with murder, and his acolytes have way to much liberty too. Cavs not playing in the East finals would be a gift to many basketball fans around the world.
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Post#1034 » by F N 11 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:34 pm

Frankie back to 2.0 SPG in 20 minutes. 5.6 PPG 6.2 APG 2.4 SPG last 5. Keep sleeping on my boy.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1035 » by IllmaticHandler » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:34 pm

Rotten Apple wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:SAS is a clown but he is just doing what they do on tv. It would be boring if him and Max agreed.

I don't agree Smith was better pick for Knicks but we have to admit Frank is pretty limited offensively right now.


The thing is idk if he’s limited or not trying to be a force offensively.

That’s another question mark for this team.

Maybe Frank is like I’m the PG, I gotta get everyone involved but sometimes you gotta put pressure on the defense, he doesn’t do that enough or at all for that matter.


He is not as limited as people try to make out, he has offensive moves. He simply does not try enough. That's his biggest crutch right now. Its Mental.
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Post#1036 » by Rotten Apple » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:36 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:SAS is a clown but he is just doing what they do on tv. It would be boring if him and Max agreed.

I don't agree Smith was better pick for Knicks but we have to admit Frank is pretty limited offensively right now.


The thing is idk if he’s limited or not trying to be a force offensively.

That’s another question mark for this team.

Maybe Frank is like I’m the PG, I gotta get everyone involved but sometimes you gotta put pressure on the defense, he doesn’t do that enough or at all for that matter.


He is not as limited as people try to make out, he has offensive moves. He simply does not try enough. That's his biggest crutch right now. Its Mental.


What you think it’s gonna take? Frank saying F it Ima attack or Jeff telling him to be more aggressive.
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Post#1037 » by F N 11 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:36 pm

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He is not as limited as people try to make out, he has offensive moves. He simply does not try enough. That's his biggest crutch right now. Its Mental.

It's just getting use to the NBA in my opinion. In other areas he's light years ahead. When the offense comes its gon be a Reynolds.
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Post#1038 » by KnixinSix » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:38 pm

We had a 21 (or 23?) point lead on the Cavs WITHOUT an expected top performance from Porzingus (likely due to barking elbow).

Not big on the 'moral' victories but with a growing team trying to establish an identity I'll take it.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1039 » by IllmaticHandler » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:40 pm

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IllmaticHandler wrote:
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The thing is idk if he’s limited or not trying to be a force offensively.

That’s another question mark for this team.

Maybe Frank is like I’m the PG, I gotta get everyone involved but sometimes you gotta put pressure on the defense, he doesn’t do that enough or at all for that matter.


He is not as limited as people try to make out, he has offensive moves. He simply does not try enough. That's his biggest crutch right now. Its Mental.


What you think it’s gonna take? Frank saying F it Ima attack or Jeff telling him to be more aggressive.



A bit off Both. The NBA is a team game, but its also a selfish game as well. He will get past it, but its not his ability which is the good thing. This Illustrates my point.


Ntilikina is also only shooting 50 percent at the hoop (per Basketball Reference), a below-average rate, part of which can be chalked up to him frequently hesitating while attacking.
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Re: PG Thread: 4th qtr collapse - PhishKeys pg. 18 

Post#1040 » by Wolfgang630 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:41 pm

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