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Post#1022 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:37 am

Sen. Ben Sasse (Rep. Nebraska) "regularly thinks about leaving the republican party."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-sasse-leaving-republican-party_us_5b9455eee4b0cf7b00406b39

Edit: If he wants to put his money where his mouth is, then he can start by voting against the Kavanaugh SCOTUS nomination.
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Post#1023 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:41 am

The Latest Tape from Omarosa

Soooooo ..... yet more confirmation that Trump is mentally handicapped

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Post#1024 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:55 am

Judge Kavanaugh's in big trouble :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Judge Kavanaugh's in big trouble :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I think so. If the GOP does force him through I think we'd be looking at him getting forced off SCOTUS at some point afterwards.

This guy is so tainted I think some senators are going to think twice about voting for him on their record.

This is Bork level toxicity
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Post#1027 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:31 am

The Butina case is becoming a big deal

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1080766/download

I tried to copy and paste some quotes, but it's not working well with this PDF.

I'm too tired to read all of it, but jesus it is salacious and points to massive indictments coming soon to a government near you.

What is interesting about this affidavit is lots of obvious names are implied, but purposefully left out. It is pretty obvious the NRA and Donald Trump Jr. are involved in some of the proceedings mentioned.

This feels like a dry run for the treason bombs that will fall on the Trump family.
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Post#1028 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:07 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Judge Kavanaugh's in big trouble :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I think so. If the GOP does force him through I think we'd be looking at him getting forced off SCOTUS at some point afterwards.

This guy is so tainted I think some senators are going to think twice about voting for him on their record.

This is Bork level toxicity


Yep! We can definitely impeach if we get back the House.

If I'm reading these numbers right, Kavanaugh rates lower than both Bork and Harriet Miers.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/brett-kavanaugh-is-polling-like-robert-bork-and-harriet-miers/

According to a Fox News poll conducted July 9-11, 38 percent of registered voters said they would vote to confirm Kavanaugh; 32 percent said they would vote against him. That +6 “net confirmation rating” is the second-worst initial score1 out of the seven Supreme Court nominees Fox News has polled.2 Only Harriet Miers, whose appointment to the court by George W. Bush was withdrawn, fared worse, with a +5 score.
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Post#1029 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:12 am

Big democratic primary election day in New York State on this Thursday, 9/13. If you live in the state and are a dem, I encourage you to vote for the following:

-Governor: Cynthia Nixon
-Attorney General: Zephyr Teachout
-Lt. General: Jumaane Williams
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Post#1030 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:56 am

Clyde_Style wrote:The Latest Tape from Omarosa

Soooooo ..... yet more confirmation that Trump is mentally handicapped




What I found troubling is that it didn't sound that bad to me, out of the context he just barged into the room and started going off on these topics.

I found myself saying (again, sort of ignoring he just burst into the room)

"Well, the focus on which number is larger and just casually lying and taking the more favorable number, that's sort of standard. Oh, he's carrying on about Hillary and it sounds a bit like politicking around an election. Ok, a little odd, but sort of normal for Trump. He's talking about the investigation being fake news...standard".

And then it hit me.
I've (we've?) come to accept that the President casually lies, often. Accept that he's talking about election stuff 8-10 months later. In a conspiratorial way. I've become somewhat inured to it.

And then it hit me, that "He's not just tweeting this stuff just to fire up some yahoos, or as some devious tactic for external consumption, he actually either BELIEVES this sh*t, or has some pathology where he has to convince his innermost circle it's true.
Maybe deep down he knows he's sort of a fraud and is always working against it, even when people who are otherwise "allies" (which probably is never a given in his mind) are the audience.

It seemed semi normal and then the it hit me minutes lately like some late hitting bizzaro weed.
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Post#1031 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:13 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:The Latest Tape from Omarosa

Soooooo ..... yet more confirmation that Trump is mentally handicapped




What I found troubling is that it didn't sound that bad to me, out of the context he just barged into the room and started going off on these topics.

I found myself saying (again, sort of ignoring he just burst into the room)

"Well, the focus on which number is larger and just casually lying and taking the more favorable number, that's sort of standard. Oh, he's carrying on about Hillary and it sounds a bit like politicking around an election. Ok, a little odd, but sort of normal for Trump. He's talking about the investigation being fake news...standard".

And then it hit me.
I've (we've?) come to accept that the President casually lies, often. Accept that he's talking about election stuff 8-10 months later. In a conspiratorial way. I've become somewhat inured to it.

And then it hit me, that "He's not just tweeting this stuff just to fire up some yahoos, or as some devious tactic for external consumption, he actually either BELIEVES this sh*t, or has some pathology where he has to convince his innermost circle it's true.
Maybe deep down he knows he's sort of a fraud and is always working against it, even when people who are otherwise "allies" (which probably is never a given in his mind) are the audience.

It seemed semi normal and then the it hit me minutes lately like some late hitting bizzaro weed.


Yeah, Omarosa's latest wasn't any kind of bombshell, but as you say it simply shows this is how this guy functions 24-7 which is to say he doesn't. He don't think good
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#1032 » by j4remi » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:23 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Big democratic primary election day in New York State on this Thursday, 9/13. If you live in the state and are a dem, I encourage you to vote for the following:

-Governor: Cynthia Nixon
-Attorney General: Zephyr Teachout
-Lt. General: Jumaane Williams


It's a longshot but I really hope Nixon wins. Right to the wire we've got stories about the shadiness of Cuomo dropping.

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Post#1033 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:36 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:The Latest Tape from Omarosa

Soooooo ..... yet more confirmation that Trump is mentally handicapped




What I found troubling is that it didn't sound that bad to me, out of the context he just barged into the room and started going off on these topics.

I found myself saying (again, sort of ignoring he just burst into the room)

"Well, the focus on which number is larger and just casually lying and taking the more favorable number, that's sort of standard. Oh, he's carrying on about Hillary and it sounds a bit like politicking around an election. Ok, a little odd, but sort of normal for Trump. He's talking about the investigation being fake news...standard".

And then it hit me.
I've (we've?) come to accept that the President casually lies, often. Accept that he's talking about election stuff 8-10 months later. In a conspiratorial way. I've become somewhat inured to it.

And then it hit me, that "He's not just tweeting this stuff just to fire up some yahoos, or as some devious tactic for external consumption, he actually either BELIEVES this sh*t, or has some pathology where he has to convince his innermost circle it's true.
Maybe deep down he knows he's sort of a fraud and is always working against it, even when people who are otherwise "allies" (which probably is never a given in his mind) are the audience.

It seemed semi normal and then the it hit me minutes lately like some late hitting bizzaro weed.


I've always maintained that Trump is showing signs of dementia and Alzheimer's. This started since before the election. Go look back at all his campaign rallies and recent rallies. It's the same themes over and over again. NFL players, Hillary, Maxine watters etc. The stupid pundits in the media and in DC try to spin it as some sort of strategy. There is no strategy he's a mentally unfit moron just going off. There's something fundamentally wrong with American culture that his deplorable behavior before the election was actually rewarded instead of being despised.
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Post#1034 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:43 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:The Latest Tape from Omarosa

Soooooo ..... yet more confirmation that Trump is mentally handicapped




What I found troubling is that it didn't sound that bad to me, out of the context he just barged into the room and started going off on these topics.

I found myself saying (again, sort of ignoring he just burst into the room)

"Well, the focus on which number is larger and just casually lying and taking the more favorable number, that's sort of standard. Oh, he's carrying on about Hillary and it sounds a bit like politicking around an election. Ok, a little odd, but sort of normal for Trump. He's talking about the investigation being fake news...standard".

And then it hit me.
I've (we've?) come to accept that the President casually lies, often. Accept that he's talking about election stuff 8-10 months later. In a conspiratorial way. I've become somewhat inured to it.

And then it hit me, that "He's not just tweeting this stuff just to fire up some yahoos, or as some devious tactic for external consumption, he actually either BELIEVES this sh*t, or has some pathology where he has to convince his innermost circle it's true.
Maybe deep down he knows he's sort of a fraud and is always working against it, even when people who are otherwise "allies" (which probably is never a given in his mind) are the audience.

It seemed semi normal and then the it hit me minutes lately like some late hitting bizzaro weed.


I've always maintained that Trump is showing signs of dementia and Alzheimer's. This started since before the election. Go look back at all his campaign rallies and recent rallies. It's the same themes over and over again. NFL players, Hillary, Maxine watters etc. The stupid pundits in the media and in DC try to spin it as some sort of strategy. There is no strategy he's a mentally unfit moron just going off. There's something fundamentally wrong with American culture that his deplorable behavior before the election was actually rewarded instead of being despised.


Hard to understand anyone not seeing him for what he is and always has been.

It is fair to say he has always been clinically defective in terms of his malignant narcissism. His stupidity and willful ignorance is the toxic ingredient that puts his sociopathic nature into overdrive.

But that is compounded now by incipient dementia which in its earlier stages tends to reveal what makes a person tick sort of like a peek into some peoples' souls when they get drunk.

In Trump's case, this simplification of an already simple mind shows in stark terms he is driven by petty jealousies and desires for revenge. There really is not much else in the core of Donald Trump.
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Post#1035 » by duetta » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:56 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Big democratic primary election day in New York State on this Thursday, 9/13. If you live in the state and are a dem, I encourage you to vote for the following:

-Governor: Cynthia Nixon
-Attorney General: Zephyr Teachout
-Lt. General: Jumaane Williams


No way in hell that I am voting for Nixon. She has no clue whatsoever - and I say that as an adult progressive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/06/nyregion/cynthia-nixon-new-york-state-budget.html

She evidently wants to be the John Lindsay of governors...
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Post#1036 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:00 pm

duetta wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Big democratic primary election day in New York State on this Thursday, 9/13. If you live in the state and are a dem, I encourage you to vote for the following:

-Governor: Cynthia Nixon
-Attorney General: Zephyr Teachout
-Lt. General: Jumaane Williams


No way in hell that I am voting for Nixon. She has no clue whatsoever - and I say that as an adult progressive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/06/nyregion/cynthia-nixon-new-york-state-budget.html

She evidently wants to be the John Lindsay of governors...


It's a window of opportunity that she latched on to. Since I'm not voting in NY I don't follow this closely, but the little bit I saw of her in debate was not impressive.
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Post#1037 » by duetta » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:17 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:It's a window of opportunity that she latched on to. Since I'm not voting in NY I don't follow this closely, but the little bit I saw of her in debate was not impressive.


She was apparently OK in the debate, but she's an actress. She's good at faking stuff. The real job involves makes the numbers work - and governors must balance budgets every year.

New York is dependent upon the financial services industry, an industry that can easily be moved to another state. Heck, the company that I work for already has substantial offices in North Carolina and Eastern Europe.

I never read much Saul Alinsky, but the bit that I did read in sociology class 40+ years ago advised progressives to make sure that every idea was as well thought through and fool proof as possible - since if it failed, you might never get another chance.

Nixon has been pulling stuff out of her backside all campaign.

According to a poll released on Monday, Cuomo is apparently up like 62%-22%.

Governor of NY is not an entry level position. Nixon is so not ready for prime time.
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Clyde_Style wrote:It's a window of opportunity that she latched on to. Since I'm not voting in NY I don't follow this closely, but the little bit I saw of her in debate was not impressive.


She was apparently OK in the debate, but she's an actress. She's good at faking stuff. The real job involves makes the numbers work - and governors must balance budgets every year.

New York is dependent upon the financial services industry, an industry that can easily be moved to another state. Heck, the company that I work for already has substantial offices in North Carolina and Eastern Europe.

I never read much Saul Alinsky, but the bit that I did read in sociology class 40+ years ago advised progressives to make sure that every idea was as well thought through and fool proof as possible - since if it failed, you might never get another chance.

Nixon has been pulling stuff out of her backside all campaign.

According to a poll released on Monday, Cuomo is apparently up like 62%-22%.

Governor of NY is not an entry level position. Nixon is so not ready for prime time.


You certainly just validated my cursory impression of her.

The other impression I have at the moment is the primary cudgel against Cuomo is painting him as hopelessly corrupt and power hungry. As political progeny goes, he may be a step down from Mario, but even if some of that is true and he is a political creature through and through I don't think that tactic will be enough to make a case for NOT voting for him. You really do need more details and meat on the bones when running for Governor of NY than you do for POTUS ironically enough.

And "socialism" which is a loose term these days is not always about soaking the rich to feed the poor, it is as much about prioritization and allocation of tax monies. Democratic quasi-socialist states always have to make ongoing hard choices about where the money should go. There is no infinite well to draw from and as that NYT article shows NYC denizens know this enough to be wary of Nixon wanting to balloon the budget without a plan for where the money comes from. That's a sure route to failure at the polls.
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Post#1039 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:43 pm

duetta wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Big democratic primary election day in New York State on this Thursday, 9/13. If you live in the state and are a dem, I encourage you to vote for the following:

-Governor: Cynthia Nixon
-Attorney General: Zephyr Teachout
-Lt. General: Jumaane Williams


No way in hell that I am voting for Nixon. She has no clue whatsoever - and I say that as an adult progressive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/06/nyregion/cynthia-nixon-new-york-state-budget.html

She evidently wants to be the John Lindsay of governors...


I just read the article. While I understand and appreciate your points (I've gone back and forth myself between the two candidates), I have a couple points to soften this stance. One, I have no problem with "soaking the uber rich" who have gotten the benefit of wealth redistribution over the last 30 years. We should tax dividend income the same as "income." I betcha many businesses still don't pay taxes. Two, so we can agree that she won't get all that she wants. Maybe she gets half. At least she's moving the ball in the right direction. Do you trust that Cuomo all of a sudden found religion? Also, when we start his presidential campaign? 2019 is around the corner. I just wonder where his efforts will be focused.
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Post#1040 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:47 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Big democratic primary election day in New York State on this Thursday, 9/13. If you live in the state and are a dem, I encourage you to vote for the following:

-Governor: Cynthia Nixon
-Attorney General: Zephyr Teachout
-Lt. General: Jumaane Williams


It's a longshot but I really hope Nixon wins. Right to the wire we've got stories about the shadiness of Cuomo dropping.

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