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Re: Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason! 

Post#1021 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Jul 7, 2020 7:49 pm

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Been saying since we drafted Dotson that people are sleeping on this kid. We need to not only keep him but he needs to get more minutes. I was good with M.Miller for the most part but one of the things that bothered me about him was him not playing the young guys enough and how he would play Dotson for a game or two and Dotson would play well and then he wouldn't get off the bench for 2-3-4 games which i never understood and bothered the hell out of me. They absolutely need to bring him back.

100% agree with both of these posts. Only * is that Dot is not a kid any more - he's 26. But, absolutely surely another victim of the terrible Knicks coaching culture of playing vets on short term contracts over the players over whom the Knicks have longer-term control. The Pills FO in particular has to go down as one of the least competent NBA FOs ever.


I've been doing some thinking over the Mills/Perry thing, not trying to assign blame to Mills since he's gone, nor let Perry off the hook.

The good news is that Mills is gone, who I "think" was the less fiscally responsible guy, but we don't really know. History says he threw too much money at THJr and Baker and things like that stopped under Perry.

Perry either advocated for, or participated in the "1 year deals" to vets thing, which in and of itself wasn't a bad idea at all. Try and buy some '2nd draft' guys, overpay some on 1 year deals to maintain future cap space. Not bad. Probable plus here for Perry.

However, Perry did dumb stuff (have to guess it was him or group effort with Mills) where he tended to overload at positions it wasn't necessary to do so, when there were young players on the roster. Signing Ellington AND Bullocks when Dotson was on the roster, the team drafted RJ, and even grabbed Trier as a UDFA, plus had more than 2 PG's.

So those parts speak to bad roster management, lack of faith in young players, and maybe bad internal talent assessment, not understanding or trusting what players like Dotson, Trier, DSJr, Frank, Knox might bring in limited roles.

And it happened several times under Perry's watch, where he brought in Jack, but then Burke, then traded for Mudiay, then DSJr gets added in a trade, or the example up above with the surplus of SG's, and then, of course, crowded the PF position when Knox logically could have used some minutes there as well.
Obviously, a bit of counter argument is the players did get some minutes, to include Mitch.

So, who pushed the vets? The coaches? Mills? Mills AND Perry?

Vets felt like a FO decision and not just coaching one. At the least, a management culture could have overridden the coach. And if we assume FO, Perry was part of that and still here.

I'm hoping it's the Knicks are wary to treat an other decent guy who's been around the NBA a long time like crap, to sort of rehab their reputation a bit, but he's not really strongly involved in the decision making. I'd rather they fired him.


It is hard to say. I blame them all equally....maybe Mills a little more since he was there longer and in the higher position. They all seemed to be on the same page with the plan, up until the ship was on the bottom of the sea.

I know Perry is GM in name, but I wonder how much say he really has? He is only on a 1 year deal. Rose basically rebuilt the front office. I think a lot of those guys will have more say in the overall plan, while maybe Perry will be working the phones and doing some leg work. I am not too worried about Perry especially with a lot of other handpicked people here now.
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason! 

Post#1022 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Tue Jul 7, 2020 8:55 pm

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Been saying since we drafted Dotson that people are sleeping on this kid. We need to not only keep him but he needs to get more minutes. I was good with M.Miller for the most part but one of the things that bothered me about him was him not playing the young guys enough and how he would play Dotson for a game or two and Dotson would play well and then he wouldn't get off the bench for 2-3-4 games which i never understood and bothered the hell out of me. They absolutely need to bring him back.

100% agree with both of these posts. Only * is that Dot is not a kid any more - he's 26. But, absolutely surely another victim of the terrible Knicks coaching culture of playing vets on short term contracts over the players over whom the Knicks have longer-term control. The Pills FO in particular has to go down as one of the least competent NBA FOs ever.


I've been doing some thinking over the Mills/Perry thing, not trying to assign blame to Mills since he's gone, nor let Perry off the hook.

The good news is that Mills is gone, who I "think" was the less fiscally responsible guy, but we don't really know. History says he threw too much money at THJr and Baker and things like that stopped under Perry.

Perry either advocated for, or participated in the "1 year deals" to vets thing, which in and of itself wasn't a bad idea at all. Try and buy some '2nd draft' guys, overpay some on 1 year deals to maintain future cap space. Not bad. Probable plus here for Perry.

However, Perry did dumb stuff (have to guess it was him or group effort with Mills) where he tended to overload at positions it wasn't necessary to do so, when there were young players on the roster. Signing Ellington AND Bullocks when Dotson was on the roster, the team drafted RJ, and even grabbed Trier as a UDFA, plus had more than 2 PG's.

So those parts speak to bad roster management, lack of faith in young players, and maybe bad internal talent assessment, not understanding or trusting what players like Dotson, Trier, DSJr, Frank, Knox might bring in limited roles.

And it happened several times under Perry's watch, where he brought in Jack, but then Burke, then traded for Mudiay, then DSJr gets added in a trade, or the example up above with the surplus of SG's, and then, of course, crowded the PF position when Knox logically could have used some minutes there as well.
Obviously, a bit of counter argument is the players did get some minutes, to include Mitch.

So, who pushed the vets? The coaches? Mills? Mills AND Perry?

Vets felt like a FO decision and not just coaching one. At the least, a management culture could have overridden the coach. And if we assume FO, Perry was part of that and still here.

I'm hoping it's the Knicks are wary to treat an other decent guy who's been around the NBA a long time like crap, to sort of rehab their reputation a bit, but he's not really strongly involved in the decision making. I'd rather they fired him.

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Post#1023 » by newyorker4ever » Tue Jul 7, 2020 9:38 pm

Lets just bring in a couple of younger players and let them play.

Trade for Lauri Markkanen and sign Joe Harris then draft a PG in this draft. Don't know what it will take to get Lauri but i do realize it'll be tough to do without putting either of RJ or Mitch in the deal. Give them whoever else they want on the team and then a couple 1st round picks but we need to keep this one. They can have the Clippers pick and one or both Dallas picks.

PG--L.Ball, K.Hayes, T.Hali, C.Anthony
SG--J.Harris
SF--RJ Barrett
PF--L.Markkanen
C---M.Robinson

That's a good young starting 5. Probably be best to go with Hali or Hayes for our PG cause we'll need the defense.
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Post#1024 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jul 7, 2020 11:14 pm

Man this guy was a beast. What happened to him
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Post#1025 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jul 7, 2020 11:19 pm

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Post#1026 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jul 7, 2020 11:24 pm

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Post#1027 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jul 7, 2020 11:26 pm

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Post#1028 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jul 7, 2020 11:30 pm

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Post#1029 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jul 7, 2020 11:31 pm

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Post#1030 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 7, 2020 11:59 pm

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Post#1031 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 8, 2020 12:01 am

In fairness to DSJr, those chicken biscuit sandwhiches are AMAZING
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Post#1032 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jul 8, 2020 7:31 am

thebuzzardman wrote:In fairness to DSJr, those chicken biscuit sandwhiches are AMAZING


Your guy is ready for a breakout season according to this guy

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Post#1033 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jul 8, 2020 7:32 am

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Popeyes? :droop:
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Post#1034 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 8, 2020 12:06 pm

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Popeyes? :droop:


Bojangles. But it's good at Popeyes too!
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Post#1035 » by aq_ua » Wed Jul 8, 2020 1:12 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:In fairness to DSJr, those chicken biscuit sandwhiches are AMAZING


Your guy is ready for a breakout season according to this guy


I don’t love his defense, but I am surprised he didn’t make any all G-league teams.
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Post#1036 » by Juco24 » Wed Jul 8, 2020 8:04 pm

Anyone hear what RJs been up to? Seen recent pictures of Zion and dude's in fantastic beast mode shape
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Post#1037 » by Infinitimind » Thu Jul 9, 2020 1:10 am

3toheadmelo wrote:Man this guy was a beast. What happened to him
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We were the worst player development team and the worst built team in the nba. No spacing 100 pf and we played a point guard who can’t shoot in Payton. Instead of playing the kids and trying to develop the kids. It was a wasted year. We destroyed smith jr and Knox confidence
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Post#1038 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:13 am

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We were the worst player development team and the worst built team in the nba. No spacing 100 pf and we played a point guard who can’t shoot in Payton. Instead of playing the kids and trying to develop the kids. It was a wasted year. We destroyed smith jr and Knox confidence


At least the architect of that horrible team is still the GM!
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Post#1039 » by newyorker4ever » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:40 pm

Predicting Phil Jackson's moves if he were never fired.

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Todays Knicks team?

PG: Luka Doncic, Frank Ntilikina, Jarrett Jack, Tremont Waters*

SG: Jaylen Brown, Alec Burks, Damyean Dotson, Courtney Lee

SF: Josh Jackson, Glenn Robinson III

PF: Brandon Clarke, JaMychal Green, Jarred Vanderbilt, Ivan Rabb*

C: Derrick Favors, Jaxson Hayes, Willy Hernangomez
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Post#1040 » by 8516knicks » Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:46 pm

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Looks like Eddie Curry ate him?

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