2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[thebuzzardman]

One candidate is actively trying to kill people, on the other hand *whiny voice* Joe Biden doesn’t excite meeeeeeee

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Woodward a CIA asset incoming

Actually, I think that might be true

[GONYK]

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[thebuzzardman]

Doubt this counts as "serious" but that depends on your point of view.
I personally like the space where the nutty left and nutty right intersect. Sometimes there is even truth there.

https://kennedysandking.com/articles/bob-woodward

[thebuzzardman]

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Acting Chief of Intel is fairly high ranking person to file a complaint like this.

I'm sure QAnon will soon have the real reason, like that the heroic Trump family cut off his supply of pineal glands

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[j4remi]

This is definitely going to get the vote of the African American and Hispanic voters don’t know what more people need to see to get up and vote for Joe Biden. Trump actively hates people of colour and their lives have not gotten better the past 4 years. You can lead a horse to water...

Although I never heard Trump use the N-word in my time spent with him, there were many times that he made racist comments. What he said in private was far worse than what he uttered in public. As an example: in September 2008, we were in Chicago for the “topping off” ceremony for The Trump International Hotel and Tower. Bill Rancic, who had won the first season of The Apprentice four years before, had been put in charge of the project. Trump reminisced to me about Rancic, who had been in a head-to-head with another contestant, Kwame Jackson. Kwame was not only a nice guy, but also a brilliant Harvard MBA graduate. Trump was explaining his back-and-forth about not picking Kwame.

“There was no way I was going to let this black **** win,” he said to me.

But, as a rule, Trump expressed low opinions of all black folks, from music to culture and politics. Africa was a hell-hole, he believed, and Nelson Mandela, to use but one example, was an object of contempt for Trump.

“Tell me one country run by a black person that isn’t a shithole,” he would challenge me as he cursed out the stupidity of Obama. “They are all complete **** toilets.”

When Mandela passed away, years later, Trump told me he didn’t think the South African founding father and national hero was a real leader—not the kind he respected.

“South Africa was once a beautiful country twenty, thirty years ago,” Trump said, endorsing Apartheid-era white rule. “Mandela **** the whole country up. Now it’s a shithole. **** Mandela. He was no leader.”

After Palomarez and the two others departed, Trump shook his head.

“What a phony bull artist,” he said. “He and the whole Hispanic Chamber of Commerce thing is a **** scam. Like Al Sharpton’s bull group. Who knows, who cares. No matter what, I’m not doing his **** town hall. And did you hear in the middle when I asked him how the organization supports itself? Through donations and dues and advertising, he said. He was looking for me to become one of his suckers. **** him. I don’t regret what I said about Mexicans. What I said was **** true.”

"At least we're not actively trying to kill you" has been good for a 70/30 margin but you guys have hit diminishing returns. No one wants to be spat on...it's better than getting pissed on but don't expect a thank you. Appealing to the other 30 could have gone a couple of directions; Biden picked one and so far it's failing.

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[GONYK]

Trump has no qualms about inciting panic when it comes to fomenting fear of brown people. It's interesting that he possessed such restraint when it came to a deadly airborne virus that could hurt him politically.

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These percentages track to his hardcore base. The only reason that Trump won in 2016 and has a chance now is that so many people choose to make themselves non voters instead of voting against Trump. And yes I know voter suppression also plays a part but it’s on the margins.

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[Oscirus]

**** this mandatory loan that this orange faced clown just forced on me

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Drafts of the report, first published by the national security website Lawfare, show that an initial description of White supremacists "presenting the most lethal threat" to the homeland was changed in subsequent drafts to say "domestic violent extremists." The language about the White supremacist threat varies slightly in the different drafts but they all state it is the deadliest.

It has not been known until now why the changes were made.

I wonder why Trump allies would want to downplay that white nationalists are the most lethal threat the country is facing

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Drafts of the report, first published by the national security website Lawfare, show that an initial description of White supremacists "presenting the most lethal threat" to the homeland was changed in subsequent drafts to say "domestic violent extremists." The language about the White supremacist threat varies slightly in the different drafts but they all state it is the deadliest.

It has not been known until now why the changes were made.

I wonder why Trump allies would want to downplay the threat of white nationalists as the most lethal threat the country is facing

Trump administration:

Now white nationalists, just #1 with white nationalists

[Stannis]

This is why minorities have trouble going to the GOP. We know what they really think when we are not around.

[BallSacBounce]

Scarborough: ‘Biden Has Not Worked Hard’ in ‘Hispanic Communities’ Like Donald Trump

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/09/09/scarborough-biden-has-not-worked-hard-in-hispanic-communities-like-donald-trump/

Scarborough noted that Cuban-Americans are “especially put off” by the “fear” of socialism creeping into Democratic policy from the likes of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), but he pointed out Trump’s “hard” work in the Cuban-American communities. He added that Biden “has not worked hard” in any of the Hispanic communities, including Cuban-American.

“Man, nothing works like work,” he added. “And Donald Trump has been working hard, advertising nonstop in the Cuban-American community for some time. And that hard work, surprise, surprise, is paying off dividends right now. Joe Biden has not worked hard down there in the Hispanic communities, in the Cuban-American communities yet, and I think we’re seeing the result of that, at least in these two polls.”

Trump knows how to win promoting American values. All I see from the left being promoted are anarchy, disease and division.

[HarthorneWingo]

Scarborough: ‘Biden Has Not Worked Hard’ in ‘Hispanic Communities’ Like Donald Trump

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/09/09/scarborough-biden-has-not-worked-hard-in-hispanic-communities-like-donald-trump/

Scarborough noted that Cuban-Americans are “especially put off” by the “fear” of socialism creeping into Democratic policy from the likes of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), but he pointed out Trump’s “hard” work in the Cuban-American communities. He added that Biden “has not worked hard” in any of the Hispanic communities, including Cuban-American.

“Man, nothing works like work,” he added. “And Donald Trump has been working hard, advertising nonstop in the Cuban-American community for some time. And that hard work, surprise, surprise, is paying off dividends right now. Joe Biden has not worked hard down there in the Hispanic communities, in the Cuban-American communities yet, and I think we’re seeing the result of that, at least in these two polls.”

Trump knows how to win promoting American values. All I see from the left being promoted are anarchy, disease and division.

Protesting to protect our constitutional rights is not “anarchy.” Protesting “is as American as apple pie””.”

“Disease”? Please explain.

“Division”? Please explain.

[Pointgod]

This is definitely going to get the vote of the African American and Hispanic voters don’t know what more people need to see to get up and vote for Joe Biden. Trump actively hates people of colour and their lives have not gotten better the past 4 years. You can lead a horse to water...

Although I never heard Trump use the N-word in my time spent with him, there were many times that he made racist comments. What he said in private was far worse than what he uttered in public. As an example: in September 2008, we were in Chicago for the “topping off” ceremony for The Trump International Hotel and Tower. Bill Rancic, who had won the first season of The Apprentice four years before, had been put in charge of the project. Trump reminisced to me about Rancic, who had been in a head-to-head with another contestant, Kwame Jackson. Kwame was not only a nice guy, but also a brilliant Harvard MBA graduate. Trump was explaining his back-and-forth about not picking Kwame.

“There was no way I was going to let this black **** win,” he said to me.

But, as a rule, Trump expressed low opinions of all black folks, from music to culture and politics. Africa was a hell-hole, he believed, and Nelson Mandela, to use but one example, was an object of contempt for Trump.

“Tell me one country run by a black person that isn’t a shithole,” he would challenge me as he cursed out the stupidity of Obama. “They are all complete **** toilets.”

When Mandela passed away, years later, Trump told me he didn’t think the South African founding father and national hero was a real leader—not the kind he respected.

“South Africa was once a beautiful country twenty, thirty years ago,” Trump said, endorsing Apartheid-era white rule. “Mandela **** the whole country up. Now it’s a shithole. **** Mandela. He was no leader.”

After Palomarez and the two others departed, Trump shook his head.

“What a phony bull artist,” he said. “He and the whole Hispanic Chamber of Commerce thing is a **** scam. Like Al Sharpton’s bull group. Who knows, who cares. No matter what, I’m not doing his **** town hall. And did you hear in the middle when I asked him how the organization supports itself? Through donations and dues and advertising, he said. He was looking for me to become one of his suckers. **** him. I don’t regret what I said about Mexicans. What I said was **** true.”

"At least we're not actively trying to kill you" has been good for a 70/30 margin but you guys have hit diminishing returns. No one wants to be spat on...it's better than getting pissed on but don't expect a thank you. Appealing to the other 30 could have gone a couple of directions; Biden picked one and so far it's failing.

Let’s take a look at a topic like the coronavirus. It’s African Americans and Hispanic people make up a disproportionate amount of deaths. They have also been hit harder with economically as a result of the coronavirus. This can all be tied directly to Trump’s horrible mismanagement and handling of the virus, he made things exponentially worse. On top of that he’s proposed zero plan to get the virus under control. Guess who has a detailed laid out plan about how he’s going to address the coronavirus?

https://joebiden.com/covid-plan/

And this is just one topic. There’s no doubt that Biden is better for African American and Hispanic people full stop. He actually has detailed plans for them on his website. Just try to look up Trump’s Hispanic platform or platform for black America and it’s a complete joke. All performative, no tangible numbers.

But I guess people need Biden to print out every page of his policy and personally sit down and read it to them while providing milk and cookies to understand which Presidency is actually better for them.

[BallSacBounce]

Scarborough: ‘Biden Has Not Worked Hard’ in ‘Hispanic Communities’ Like Donald Trump

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/09/09/scarborough-biden-has-not-worked-hard-in-hispanic-communities-like-donald-trump/

Scarborough noted that Cuban-Americans are “especially put off” by the “fear” of socialism creeping into Democratic policy from the likes of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), but he pointed out Trump’s “hard” work in the Cuban-American communities. He added that Biden “has not worked hard” in any of the Hispanic communities, including Cuban-American.

“Man, nothing works like work,” he added. “And Donald Trump has been working hard, advertising nonstop in the Cuban-American community for some time. And that hard work, surprise, surprise, is paying off dividends right now. Joe Biden has not worked hard down there in the Hispanic communities, in the Cuban-American communities yet, and I think we’re seeing the result of that, at least in these two polls.”

Trump knows how to win promoting American values. All I see from the left being promoted are anarchy, disease and division.

Protesting to protect our constitutional rights is not “anarchy.” Protesting “is as American as apple pie””.”

“Disease”? Please explain.

“Division”? Please explain.

Riots are anarchy.

Non-stop Corona pimping.

Identity Politics.

That's what I see. You'll disagree of course. That's fine. I think this election comes down to how the people in the middle see it.

[BallSacBounce]

This is definitely going to get the vote of the African American and Hispanic voters don’t know what more people need to see to get up and vote for Joe Biden. Trump actively hates people of colour and their lives have not gotten better the past 4 years. You can lead a horse to water...

"At least we're not actively trying to kill you" has been good for a 70/30 margin but you guys have hit diminishing returns. No one wants to be spat on...it's better than getting pissed on but don't expect a thank you. Appealing to the other 30 could have gone a couple of directions; Biden picked one and so far it's failing.

Let’s take a look at a topic like the coronavirus. It’s African Americans and Hispanic people make up a disproportionate amount of deaths. They have also been hit harder with economically as a result of the coronavirus. This can all be tied directly to Trump’s horrible mismanagement and handling of the virus, he made things exponentially worse. On top of that he’s proposed zero plan to get the virus under control. Guess who has a detailed laid out plan about how he’s going to address the coronavirus?

https://joebiden.com/covid-plan/

And this is just one topic. There’s no doubt that Biden is better for African American and Hispanic people full stop. He actually has detailed plans for them on his website. Just try to look up Trump’s Hispanic platform or platform for black America and it’s a complete joke. All performative, no tangible numbers.

But I guess people need Biden to print out every page of his policy and personally sit down and read it to them while providing milk and cookies to understand which Presidency is actually better for them.

Maybe they just like jobs. Not everybody is like that of course but plenty are.

[HarthorneWingo]

Scarborough: ‘Biden Has Not Worked Hard’ in ‘Hispanic Communities’ Like Donald Trump

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/09/09/scarborough-biden-has-not-worked-hard-in-hispanic-communities-like-donald-trump/




Trump knows how to win promoting American values. All I see from the left being promoted are anarchy, disease and division.

Protesting to protect our constitutional rights is not “anarchy.” Protesting “is as American as apple pie””.”

“Disease”? Please explain.

“Division”? Please explain.

Riots are anarchy.

Non-stop Corona pimping.

Identity Politics.

That's what I see. You'll disagree of course. That's fine. I think this election comes down to how the people in the middle see it.

There is some debate about who causing the riots and who's doing the destroying. Most protest for human rights are messy. Democracy is very messy, apparently.

"Corona pimping"? And by that you mean to say that COVID is "fake news"? How about your bike rally of over 400,000 in Sturgis, Wisconsin?

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-09-08/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-may-have-caused-over-250-000-coronavirus-cases-report

Report: Sturgis Motorcycle Rally May Have Caused Over 250,000 Coronavirus Cases
The report estimated that the rally generated about $12.2 billion in public health costs, which is based on the statistical cost of a COVID-19 case.

By Cecelia Smith-Schoenwalder, Staff Writer Sept. 8, 2020, at 1:51 p.m.


Thousands of bikers rode through the streets for the opening day of the 80th annual Sturgis Motorcycle rally Friday, Aug. 7, 2020, in Sturgis, S.D.(STEPHEN GROVES/AP)

THERE IS "STRONG evidence" that a motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota, that drew hundreds of thousands of people could have been a coronavirus superspreader event, according to a recent report.

Over 400,000 motorcycle enthusiasts gathered for the annual rally from Aug. 7-16, and it was reported that social distancing and mask wearing at some of the events was not observed.

The rally was officially linked to hundreds of coronavirus cases across more than 10 states and at least one death. But the study that relied on cell phone data to track movements estimates that over 250,000 reported coronavirus cases from August 2 to September 2 are due to the rally – nearly 20% of the national cases during that time period, according to Andrew Friedson, one of the authors of the report.

Counties with the highest numbers of rally attendees had roughly a 7-12% increase in cases when compared to counties without rally goers, according to the report from the IZA Institute of Labor Economics, an independent economic research group.

The report found that the rally had many of the factors to make a superspreading event: it was prolonged, individuals were packed closely together, it involved a large out-of-town population and there was a low compliance rate with recommended mitigation measures. A couple factors that did work in the event's favor, however, included that the venue was outdoors and that South Dakota has a low population density.

Trump lied to us (of course!) about the danger of the virus, according to audio tapes of author/reporter Bob Woodward.

As for "identity politics," there are clearly those that have and those that don't have. I tend to frame things in terms of economic humanity and what we need to do to survive as a country with a healthy economy which supports a thriving middle class and not just big corporations and the top 1%.

I'm trying to remember, what did you think of the Bernie/Progressive platform?