2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1

HEZI · Post #1021 » by **HEZI** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 2:05 am

Luka Garza might average 40 PPG this season

newyorker4ever · Post #1022 » by **newyorker4ever** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 2:23 am

2010 wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:My only issue with Cade over Suggs for the Knicks is fit. Cade plays in some of the spots as Barrett does on the floor. And then we're still looking for someone who can break down the defense off the dribble which Suggs is great at. I would question Suggs' durability if he hadn't been a four star football recruit.. which I think Lebron was. They are just naturally going to be more durable and have a higher threshold for pain.

Otherwise, Suggs can operate in his own areas of the court which is the top and penetrating the paint. Suggs projects to be a better 3pt shooter than Cade does also so he's fine playing off the ball the way he did last night in the 2nd half. Suggs is also a better defender he can defend on ball and apply pressure at the top of the key and he's good at anticipating where the ball is going to be passed so he's quick on rotations.

But when you get into the intangibles is where Suggs really impresses me more than Cunningham. Suggs brings a toughness and intensity with his game that I think we haven't had in a long time. I've been looking for flaws in his game which I'm sure once he faces some more adversity but so far I haven't found one. I guess maybe they say he's cocky or whatever.. but that's only an issue if you can't perform.

Compelling argument from the Suggs side. Looking forward to those two being critiqued and compared as the season continues on.

Last i saw from Suggs was him being helped off the court a couple of nights ago and heard the commentator say they just hope it's not his Achilles. So i'm guessing he's okay??

DowNY · Post #1023 » by **DowNY** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 2:51 am

newyorker4ever wrote:
2010 wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:My only issue with Cade over Suggs for the Knicks is fit. Cade plays in some of the spots as Barrett does on the floor. And then we're still looking for someone who can break down the defense off the dribble which Suggs is great at. I would question Suggs' durability if he hadn't been a four star football recruit.. which I think Lebron was. They are just naturally going to be more durable and have a higher threshold for pain.

Otherwise, Suggs can operate in his own areas of the court which is the top and penetrating the paint. Suggs projects to be a better 3pt shooter than Cade does also so he's fine playing off the ball the way he did last night in the 2nd half. Suggs is also a better defender he can defend on ball and apply pressure at the top of the key and he's good at anticipating where the ball is going to be passed so he's quick on rotations.

But when you get into the intangibles is where Suggs really impresses me more than Cunningham. Suggs brings a toughness and intensity with his game that I think we haven't had in a long time. I've been looking for flaws in his game which I'm sure once he faces some more adversity but so far I haven't found one. I guess maybe they say he's cocky or whatever.. but that's only an issue if you can't perform.

Compelling argument from the Suggs side. Looking forward to those two being critiqued and compared as the season continues on.

Last i saw from Suggs was him being helped off the court a couple of nights ago and heard the commentator say they just hope it's not his Achilles. So i'm guessing he's okay??

Couple nights ago? Wasn’t that last night?
He came back into the game later on

Juco24 · Post #1024 » by **Juco24** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 2:55 am

DowNY wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
2010 wrote:
Compelling argument from the Suggs side. Looking forward to those two being critiqued and compared as the season continues on.

Last i saw from Suggs was him being helped off the court a couple of nights ago and heard the commentator say they just hope it's not his Achilles. So i'm guessing he's okay??

Couple nights ago? Wasn’t that last night?
He came back into the game later on

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30439305/jalen-suggs-exits-game-no-1-gonzaga-bulldogs-injury

thebuzzardman · Post #1025 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 2:28 pm

Is it me or is this draft feeling a little less special than it was a week ago?

2010 · Post #1026 » by **2010** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 3:10 pm

I think the perfect way to sum up Suggs is he is an "engine"

3toheadmelo · Post #1027 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 3:14 pm

HEZI wrote:
mrpoetryNmotion wrote:
HEZI wrote:Mobley looks like somebody I wouldn't touch with a top pick

Not impressed at all whatsoever

I feel that way about Boston, but I like what I've seen from Mobley so far. He has shown plus offensive feel (offensive awareness/passing) that I didn't see in someone like Wiseman, but there are certain limitations that I'm noticing and I'm wondering how much of a factor those actually are when I go to project his impact at the NBA level.

No way is this kid on Wiseman's level. Wiseman would come down the lane and just carve out so much space and he was a beast on the glass. This dude looks thin and soft and his motor looks awful, he moves around so slow.

I’ve been saying for months that Mobley is mad overrated. If we’re going to replace Mitch, we should’ve traded him for Wiseman. Mobley is barely an upgrade over Mitch

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1028 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 4:46 pm

Read on Twitter

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1029 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 4:50 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Is it me or is this draft feeling a little less special than it was a week ago?

I think it depends on how the kids in the G league look. That's where this whole draft can swing from awesome to meh. If Green and Kuminga look like stars that will make the draft way deeper cuz Cade and Suggs look real good. Same goes for the kid from Duke and Stanford too. Maybe they're not stars but look like they're gonna be good players. If the UK kids turn it around that would make for a pretty deep top 10.

robillionaire · Post #1030 » by **robillionaire** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 4:55 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Is it me or is this draft feeling a little less special than it was a week ago?

yeah some of them aren't perfect 3 games into their college career, all confirmed busts

Fat · Post #1031 » by **Fat** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 5:04 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I didn’t see this coming with BJ I truly didn’t hopefully he can turn the oven on soon

thebuzzardman · Post #1032 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 5:23 pm

robillionaire wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Is it me or is this draft feeling a little less special than it was a week ago?

yeah some of them aren't perfect 3 games into their college career, all confirmed busts

HottakesRus is where it's at baby!

Fat · Post #1033 » by **Fat** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 6:26 pm

Cade
Quickley
Barret
Obi
Mitch

Keep Randle/Payton the whole year if it leads to that

robillionaire · Post #1034 » by **robillionaire** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 6:29 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
HEZI wrote:
mrpoetryNmotion wrote:
I feel that way about Boston, but I like what I've seen from Mobley so far. He has shown plus offensive feel (offensive awareness/passing) that I didn't see in someone like Wiseman, but there are certain limitations that I'm noticing and I'm wondering how much of a factor those actually are when I go to project his impact at the NBA level.

No way is this kid on Wiseman's level. Wiseman would come down the lane and just carve out so much space and he was a beast on the glass. This dude looks thin and soft and his motor looks awful, he moves around so slow.

I’ve been saying for months that Mobley is mad overrated. If we’re going to replace Mitch, we should’ve traded him for Wiseman. Mobley is barely an upgrade over Mitch

He can shoot and spread the floor, that makes him a huge upgrade and valuable in the NBA. And better fit with players like RJ Barrett and Obi Toppin. Gets blocks as well.

DowNY · Post #1035 » by **DowNY** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 10:56 pm

Deep class but I would trade up for Cade, Suggs or Green.

bleedblue3303 · Post #1036 » by **bleedblue3303** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 11:19 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Is it me or is this draft feeling a little less special than it was a week ago?

Was listening to Sam Veceine Podcast. The top of this draft is special. Especially Cade The game comes easy to him and he's so smooth.

It's a season to do everything we can to get Cade or Scuggs. The team changes immediately with them.

bleedblue3303 · Post #1037 » by **bleedblue3303** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 11:22 pm

robillionaire wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
HEZI wrote:
No way is this kid on Wiseman's level. Wiseman would come down the lane and just carve out so much space and he was a beast on the glass. This dude looks thin and soft and his motor looks awful, he moves around so slow.

I’ve been saying for months that Mobley is mad overrated. If we’re going to replace Mitch, we should’ve traded him for Wiseman. Mobley is barely an upgrade over Mitch

He can shoot and spread the floor, that makes him a huge upgrade and valuable in the NBA. And better fit with players like RJ Barrett and Obi Toppin. Gets blocks as well.

I think you got it twisted whomever we take will most likely be the best player on our team. So Rj and Obi better fit with them not the other way around.

thebuzzardman · Post #1038 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 11:35 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Is it me or is this draft feeling a little less special than it was a week ago?

Was listening to Sam Veceine Podcast. The top of this draft is special. Especially Cade The game comes easy to him and he's so smooth.

It's a season to do everything we can to get Cade or Scuggs. The team changes immediately with them.

Well, a week ago we were all saying "It's special down to 8 or 12"

Now, it's like a lot of drafts, theoretically, where "Yeah, get that top 3 pick, looking good!"

Knicks only get the #3 pick in a 2 person draft.

thebuzzardman · Post #1039 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 11:36 pm

So much disappointment there will be, when Knicks pick 9th

robillionaire · Post #1040 » by **robillionaire** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 11:41 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Is it me or is this draft feeling a little less special than it was a week ago?

Was listening to Sam Veceine Podcast. The top of this draft is special. Especially Cade The game comes easy to him and he's so smooth.

It's a season to do everything we can to get Cade or Scuggs. The team changes immediately with them.

Well, a week ago we were all saying "It's special down to 8 or 12"

Now, it's like a lot of drafts, theoretically, where "Yeah, get that top 3 pick, looking good!"

Knicks only get the #3 pick in a 2 person draft.

it's a 2 person draft if you are committed to drafting a PG, maybe even a 1 person draft since cade hasn't proven that he can be a PG, but the knicks probably aren't committed to that, if the prior draft is any indication