2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[WajaBawl]

this kid is gonna be a f*cking star and we ain't gonna be able to get him....and he's from NY

He should be in the range that they could realistically trade up for. Most definitely not going to be around if they don't move up though.

Question is what the package would be to trade up for him. I'd be willing to part with both first round picks if that got us into Bouknight territory. Kid looks like a stud.

[RandlesCornrows]

James Bouknight has been my #1 target. I’d take him over everyone but Cade, Suggs, Kuminga. I think he’s that good.

19 + 32 + 23’ Dallas FRP to Orlando for 8th OVP.

[knickstape4ever]

how far up can #19, #32, and DAL 2023 pick get us?

i feel like that should get us to the back end of top 10. like 8-10 range. thats almost 3 1st rounders (two 1st and the 32nd) for 1 pick.

idk, 8-10 seems a bit high. I was thinking 12-14 range

[thebuzzardman]

I know there's been some talk that the Knicks will trade one of the picks to move up with another or trade the picks to get a "star" (and I believe that's more likely) but IF the Knicks are a team that wants to big game hunt, isn't it good to use the picks to hopefully fill the roster with role players who are cheap and cost controlled?

I mean, Knicks had decent success this season with budget vets with Burks\Noel\Bullocks(retained)\Rose (trade) but drafting them at least gets a team 4 years - IF they draft right instead of drafting Knoxes and Franks

You can find veterans for the vet minimum to fill roles if you are trying to contend. Put it slightly differently, it's a lot easier to find role players than a star in free agency or on the trade market. And every year you can find Burks, Noels and Bullocks of the world. Well at least good front offices on teams with the right winning culture can.

Sure, but they wind up costing 4-6 million per, while guys drafted in the teens cost 2 million per. For 4 years.

Of course a team can find role players, but it wouldn't be wrong with 3 picks to take a swing for the fences with one but use the other two to acquire 2 rotation players who make a low salary for 3 or 4 years.

I still think the Knicks trade at least one of the picks though, probably two and maybe all three.

[jvsimonetti0514]

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gun to your head you taking bones or mann?

I'm surprised no one else touched this cuz it's a really good question. Gun to my head, I think I go with Mann but it's really close. I trust Tre more as a playmaker, I think he's a better athlete, and is better in PNR. Bones is more of a well rounded scorer, he actually has an off ball game. There's some upside as a movement shooter as well. I also like his defensive upside more than Tre cuz Bone's has crazy long arms. I think the think that worries me the most about Bone is how skinny he is and worried he might get beat up. If we somehow drafted both of them, I'd probably start Bones at the 2 and let Tre play Burks role off the bench. You're really can't go wrong with either of them though.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I know there's been some talk that the Knicks will trade one of the picks to move up with another or trade the picks to get a "star" (and I believe that's more likely) but IF the Knicks are a team that wants to big game hunt, isn't it good to use the picks to hopefully fill the roster with role players who are cheap and cost controlled?

I mean, Knicks had decent success this season with budget vets with Burks\Noel\Bullocks(retained)\Rose (trade) but drafting them at least gets a team 4 years - IF they draft right instead of drafting Knoxes and Franks

You can find veterans for the vet minimum to fill roles if you are trying to contend. Put it slightly differently, it's a lot easier to find role players than a star in free agency or on the trade market. And every year you can find Burks, Noels and Bullocks of the world. Well at least good front offices on teams with the right winning culture can.

Sure, but they wind up costing 4-6 million per, while guys drafted in the teens cost 2 million per. For 4 years.

Of course a team can find role players, but it wouldn't be wrong with 3 picks to take a swing for the fences with one but use the other two to acquire 2 rotation players who make a low salary for 3 or 4 years.

I still think the Knicks trade at least one of the picks though, probably two and maybe all three.

It's probably better if the kids we draft can actually play. Even if they end up being role players. We're going to need them to still be trade chips while they're on their rookie deals. Sure if we keep all three picks we can swing for the fences with one of them but I'd still take two doubles over nothing at all. Regardless I doubt we're making all 4 of these picks.

[DowNY]

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gun to your head you taking bones or mann?

I'm surprised no one else touched this cuz it's a really good question. Gun to my head, I think I go with Mann but it's really close. I trust Tre more as a playmaker, I think he's a better athlete, and is better in PNR. Bones is more of a well rounded scorer, he actually has an off ball game. There's some upside as a movement shooter as well. I also like his defensive upside more than Tre cuz Bone's has crazy long arms. I think the think that worries me the most about Bone is how skinny he is and worried he might get beat up. If we somehow drafted both of them, I'd probably start Bones at the 2 and let Tre play Burks role off the bench. You're really can't go wrong with either of them though.

I’m going Bones cause word on the street, one of the driving forces to his rise is that he’s in the 190s in weight now compared to the 170s some months ago.

Quickley & Bones might as well be the new splash bros at that point

[DowNY]

Yeah man, if it’s up to me...I’m trading up for Bouknight but trying to keep 21 for Ayo.

19, 32, 58, Mavs 2023 1st, some 2023 2nds....Knox lol...whatever out that bunch.

6’5 PG (Ayo is a combo but can for sure run the 1) & SG.
Think both could contribute immediately and for the cheap.

[jvsimonetti0514]

gun to your head you taking bones or mann?

I'm surprised no one else touched this cuz it's a really good question. Gun to my head, I think I go with Mann but it's really close. I trust Tre more as a playmaker, I think he's a better athlete, and is better in PNR. Bones is more of a well rounded scorer, he actually has an off ball game. There's some upside as a movement shooter as well. I also like his defensive upside more than Tre cuz Bone's has crazy long arms. I think the think that worries me the most about Bone is how skinny he is and worried he might get beat up. If we somehow drafted both of them, I'd probably start Bones at the 2 and let Tre play Burks role off the bench. You're really can't go wrong with either of them though.

I’m going Bones cause word on the street, one of the driving forces to his rise is that he’s in the 190s in weight now compared to the 170s some months ago.

Quickley & Bones might as well be the new splash bros at that point

That's definitely a game changer. I kinda hope he grows an inch too Him being 6'4" would make me like him a little bit more cuz I think he's more of a 2 guard than a point. If he can get stronger and be more physical on defense it would help him reach his ceiling.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I forgot how good Jared Butler was this season. Same goes for Ayo Dosunmu. This draft just has so much talent all over the place that I kinda don't want to trade our picks.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

how far up can #19, #32, and DAL 2023 pick get us?

The Dallas 2023 pick just got a lot more valuable with the turmoil over there, I'd rather hold off on including it in any deals.

[mpharris36]

how far up can #19, #32, and DAL 2023 pick get us?

The Dallas 2023 pick just got a lot more valuable with the turmoil over there, I'd rather hold off on including it in any deals.

being top 10 protected still limits its value because if they truly do go in the **** they will just keep there pick. I mean it could always be 11 or something like that. But I wouldn't really care about dealing it because it never could be high enough where we would be pissed if we moved it.

[Fat]

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I want him with #32nd pick but doubt we keep the pick

On the downside it would be hard to get him minutes he plays the same position as Randle/toppin

[robillionaire]

how far up can #19, #32, and DAL 2023 pick get us?

The Dallas 2023 pick just got a lot more valuable with the turmoil over there, I'd rather hold off on including it in any deals.

being top 10 protected still limits its value because if they truly do go in the **** they will just keep there pick. I mean it could always be 11 or something like that. But I wouldn't really care about dealing it because it never could be high enough where we would be pissed if we moved it.

I’m feeling worse about it now, if they are a bottom 10 team 3 times it will convey to a 2nd round pick in 2025.

Of course with Luka it’s hard to envision they will be a bottom 10 team 3 years in a row.

an 11-15 pick could one day make us pissed about moving it. Lots of good players get picked there.

[Celo]

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gun to your head you taking bones or mann?

I'm surprised no one else touched this cuz it's a really good question. Gun to my head, I think I go with Mann but it's really close. I trust Tre more as a playmaker, I think he's a better athlete, and is better in PNR. Bones is more of a well rounded scorer, he actually has an off ball game. There's some upside as a movement shooter as well. I also like his defensive upside more than Tre cuz Bone's has crazy long arms. I think the think that worries me the most about Bone is how skinny he is and worried he might get beat up. If we somehow drafted both of them, I'd probably start Bones at the 2 and let Tre play Burks role off the bench. You're really can't go wrong with either of them though.

I don't agree with the bolded part. Athleticm is probably the one thing, that is holding Tre back from going higher in the draft. To me, he's a below-average NBA athlete, who already struggled in college getting to the rim or defending the POA. With Bones, while also not being known for his athleticm, you at least get some with a solid first step as well as a good ability to decelerate. On the flip side he's physically very weak, but it's not like Tre's a strong dude himself.

I gave my answer to the question in an earlier discussion in this thread. To me, it depends on the draft slot. If you can get Bones with our 2nd round pick, I prefer taking him instead of using a first rounder on Tre. If you'd have to use a 1st rounder on both, it gets severely trickier. They both probably will be negatives on the defensive end, so it's an offensive question. If you believe Tre's playmaking flashes are real, the choice gotta be him. If not, then it's Bones, since he's shown more Off-Ball flashes as well as the ability to get to the rim (who knows how his finishing will be tho because of the lack of strength).

[WargamesX]

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I want him with #32nd pick but doubt we keep the pick

On the downside it would be hard to get him minutes he plays the same position as Randle/toppin

Idk from this video his handle looks good enough to play SF. This is a highlight video though so that opinion is worth a grain of salt. No reason to go into it because I literally only seen this highlight video, but from this he looks like a first round combo forward prospect.

[mpharris36]

The Dallas 2023 pick just got a lot more valuable with the turmoil over there, I'd rather hold off on including it in any deals.

being top 10 protected still limits its value because if they truly do go in the **** they will just keep there pick. I mean it could always be 11 or something like that. But I wouldn't really care about dealing it because it never could be high enough where we would be pissed if we moved it.

I’m feeling worse about it now, if they are a bottom 10 team 3 times it will convey to a 2nd round pick in 2025.

Of course with Luka it’s hard to envision they will be a bottom 10 team 3 years in a row.

an 11-15 pick could one day make us pissed about moving it. Lots of good players get picked there.

True but let's says it helps us move up in this draft to that range to get a Bouknight or someone like that and that's the guys they are targeting then the value of the pick did it's job in a trade.

Now the 1sts will more likely end up getting traded for a player more than a pick. But I was just pointing out with the limitations of the pick. I would no issues trading it. For example I would much rather trade that pick then any of our future 1sts because I never know when we will suck again lol

[TheGreenArrow]

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I want him with #32nd pick but doubt we keep the pick

On the downside it would be hard to get him minutes he plays the same position as Randle/toppin

I’d instantly traded Toppin!!!!

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[EMG518]

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