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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1021 » by Luv those Knicks » Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:35 am

HEZI wrote:Sims has 6 fouls 3 turnovers and only 2 rebounds

This is a center? Trash


Sims looks good sometimes though. He looks bad sometimes too, but he has his moments. He had a pretty block in the first half. The tools are there, he just needs to improve his weak points.

Some of these guys (Selden, Travis), mostly just look bad. Sims is a developmental league keeper, at least for now.
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Post#1025 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:32 am

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TheGreenArrow wrote:I’m worried about Grimes folks……


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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1026 » by Zenzibar » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:00 pm

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HEZI wrote:Sims has 6 fouls 3 turnovers and only 2 rebounds

This is a center? Trash


Sims looks good sometimes though. He looks bad sometimes too, but he has his moments. He had a pretty block in the first half. The tools are there, he just needs to improve his weak points.

Some of these guys (Selden, Travis), mostly just look bad. Sims is a developmental league keeper, at least for now.



Why trash? He'b been playing well and what more do you want from a developmental piece. He'll be 3rd on the depth chart and working with Kenny Payne all season, plus he's madd athletic with some nice upside moves.

"trash" smh :noway:
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1027 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:04 pm

A few thoughts on Grimes that are more "hopes" than anything.

Grimes hasn't looked that great. It's concerning he doesn't have all that much handle and, for a guy who looked athletic in HS hightlight videos, doesn't look all that athletic. The shot isn't falling either, all that well, but the form is there.

So yeah, for the highest of the Knicks picks, a guy a little older, want to see more; come out of the gate like McBride did.

Here's the HOPE - none, some or all of which might happen.

He was a 5 star prospect going to Kansas, flamed out, and then somehow rebuilt his game and/or confidence and was a very good, winning player on Houston.

Maybe, within the context of what he'll be - and let's not ever expect he was going to be anything other than a maybe 15-20 mpg off the bench, tops - is that playing with confidence is important to his game (what player isn't it important to) but that it takes a while for that adjustment when he transitions a level.
And with that, since he's apparently smart and self aware enough, he tweaks his game to fit what works at that level, his confidence rises and he looks decent

So, for an "NBA ready" player, it might take Grimes a minute. Like all of training camp or part of the season. Hell, it could take all year and NEXT year he's the player the Knicks thought they drafted.

These are just possibilities/thoughts. I don't care if he does well or not. Meaning, I'm not invested in how he turns out based on some other guy the Knicks should have drafted so I'll bash him all year long, nor that I zeroed in on him in the draft hoping the Knicks would get him.

Generally, when phrases like "he'll look better with real NBA players" and even this stuff, a variation on "he needs some time to develop" come out, 99% of the time you know you have a bust/not that good a player/disappointment on your hands.

But, there's a chance maybe those reasons are holding him back a bit - the adjustment/confidence thing.
Who knows
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1028 » by HEZI » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:13 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:
HEZI wrote:Sims has 6 fouls 3 turnovers and only 2 rebounds

This is a center? Trash


Sims looks good sometimes though. He looks bad sometimes too, but he has his moments. He had a pretty block in the first half. The tools are there, he just needs to improve his weak points.

Some of these guys (Selden, Travis), mostly just look bad. Sims is a developmental league keeper, at least for now.



Why trash? He'b been playing well and what more do you want from a developmental piece. He'll be 3rd on the depth chart and working with Kenny Payne all season, plus he's madd athletic with some nice upside moves.

"trash" smh :noway:


A college senior who showed no improvement in college and looks like buns in SL is our developmental piece. Very nice
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1030 » by KnicksGadfly » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:17 pm

HEZI wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
Luv those Knicks wrote:
Sims looks good sometimes though. He looks bad sometimes too, but he has his moments. He had a pretty block in the first half. The tools are there, he just needs to improve his weak points.

Some of these guys (Selden, Travis), mostly just look bad. Sims is a developmental league keeper, at least for now.



Why trash? He'b been playing well and what more do you want from a developmental piece. He'll be 3rd on the depth chart and working with Kenny Payne all season, plus he's madd athletic with some nice upside moves.

"trash" smh :noway:


A college senior who showed no improvement in college and looks like buns in SL is our developmental piece. Very nice


Yes, can’t believe we wasted the 58th pick on this scrub. Could have brought back Elfrid instead smh.
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1031 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:17 pm

smw6230 wrote:The thing about Grimes is I like his shot better than IQ and McBride's. His form is natural and his release is free and easy. Everything about his shot looks good when he lets go of the ball. He even hasn't had any "wild" misses on attempts.

I may be wrong but I just trust that Grimes shot is eventually going to fall.

Snap Judgement - IQ is an athlete playing PG. I sometimes watch IQ run the point and he'll speed down the floor at 100mph with little idea of what he'll do with the ball. This sometimes leads to trouble, more oftenit leads to him running into the paint then back out. He doesn't read the floor or anticipate where guys will be (for the pass).

OTOH, McBride looks like a floor general. He reads the floor. His play is measured, his pace is patient, he stays in control. Even when playing fast he doesn't rush.


IQ has several issues that need to be solved before he could be a full time PG, or a full time PG who isn't playing next to a dynamic, playmaking SG.

He has trouble turning the corner on defenders 1v1, needs a pick to get to moving towards the basket AT ALL
He's not exactly 100% error free or totally awesome with the picks he gets. He'll get the pick and still not get places 1/2 the time.
As a result of the above, but also because decision making, IQ spends a LOT of time and time off the clock going east west.
Then he launches a 28 ft 3 pointer. Ok in summer league, difference between W and L often in the regular season/real NBA players
Last and most maddeningly - he will take about 4-6 seconds off the clock just d*cking around. Could be in situations where the Lakers pressed and then he doesn't account for the fact it didn't take Knicks 5 seconds to get over the time line. Other times he just "does it". Kind of gets the shot clock to 8 seconds, THEN tries to run the first pick/play - it doesn't work, and he's...launching another poor 28 ft 3 pointer.

Yeah, I can see Thibs coaching him right after the game. He did these same things last year.

And for all that, since IQ does some other things extremely well, he's a good player. He can play some PG too.
He's a ways away from seeing serious minutes at PG, unless he fixes those things.
McBride might pass him on the PG depth chart for those reasons.
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1032 » by HEZI » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:20 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:

Why trash? He'b been playing well and what more do you want from a developmental piece. He'll be 3rd on the depth chart and working with Kenny Payne all season, plus he's madd athletic with some nice upside moves.

"trash" smh :noway:


A college senior who showed no improvement in college and looks like buns in SL is our developmental piece. Very nice


Yes, can’t believe we wasted the 58th pick on this scrub. Could have brought back Elfrid instead smh.


You can say whatever makes you feel better but it doesn’t change the fact that the dude is trash
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1033 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:21 pm

First time I’ve felt good about the state of the Knicks backcourt in two decades. McBeast just upgraded this team significantly and IQ is a legit scoring threat with a growing toolkit

Hoping Thibs smells the coffee and keeps Rose and Kemba on a 25 minute cap and spreads those minutes around. We’ll be more dangerous with this backcourt depth if Thibs doesn’t burn everyone out. Yo Thibs! You can finally expand your rotation!
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1034 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:21 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
smw6230 wrote:The thing about Grimes is I like his shot better than IQ and McBride's. His form is natural and his release is free and easy. Everything about his shot looks good when he lets go of the ball. He even hasn't had any "wild" misses on attempts.

I may be wrong but I just trust that Grimes shot is eventually going to fall.

Snap Judgement - IQ is an athlete playing PG. I sometimes watch IQ run the point and he'll speed down the floor at 100mph with little idea of what he'll do with the ball. This sometimes leads to trouble, more oftenit leads to him running into the paint then back out. He doesn't read the floor or anticipate where guys will be (for the pass).

OTOH, McBride looks like a floor general. He reads the floor. His play is measured, his pace is patient, he stays in control. Even when playing fast he doesn't rush.


He was the best high school QB in his state of Ohio (big HS football state). The kid is a born leader, tough, and fearless. Charlie Ward but better (at basketball).


Him being an ex football player absolutely informs how he plays and makes him a better basketball player
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1035 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:22 pm

HEZI wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:
HEZI wrote:
A college senior who showed no improvement in college and looks like buns in SL is our developmental piece. Very nice


Yes, can’t believe we wasted the 58th pick on this scrub. Could have brought back Elfrid instead smh.


You can say whatever makes you feel better but it doesn’t change the fact that the dude is trash


I’m not willing to make a verdict on Sims until I see him fight Bruce Lee
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1036 » by Kampuchea » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:29 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
camillepd wrote:Tonight game breakdown from another forum:


Jericho Sims - Sims had a good game. He rebounded well and didn’t get a lot of lob opportunities and also played some really good defense. Not much more to say here other than he continues to massively over perform his draft position. Also, he set some really elite screens that would be considered elite even in the NBA. Interestingly, Sims attempted a three this game.

Stats: 7 pts, 2 rebs, 1 ast, 2 blks, 4 to on 3/4 FG and 0/1 from three in 30 mins

Summer League So Far/Projection: Looks good as rebounder, shot blocker, lob threat, rim runner, rim protector, finisher. Vastly overperforming draft position. Projecting as making a case for the rotation if we didn't have a stacked center room.
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Blue and orange lenses.

Obi was on fire from three tonight. 2-6 from 3.
Sims rebounded well. 2 rebounds.

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Yeah, a lot of that was a bit cringe to read.

The Sims comment was the one that caught my attention because I was wondering while watching the game why he didn’t seem to grab many rebounds. And this recap says he rebounded well.

I think he works and is active, maybe he is just raw and not boxing out properly. Not trashing Sims, just saying you can see why he was a late pick. High potential if he works at it.
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1037 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:31 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
smw6230 wrote:The thing about Grimes is I like his shot better than IQ and McBride's. His form is natural and his release is free and easy. Everything about his shot looks good when he lets go of the ball. He even hasn't had any "wild" misses on attempts.

I may be wrong but I just trust that Grimes shot is eventually going to fall.

Snap Judgement - IQ is an athlete playing PG. I sometimes watch IQ run the point and he'll speed down the floor at 100mph with little idea of what he'll do with the ball. This sometimes leads to trouble, more oftenit leads to him running into the paint then back out. He doesn't read the floor or anticipate where guys will be (for the pass).

OTOH, McBride looks like a floor general. He reads the floor. His play is measured, his pace is patient, he stays in control. Even when playing fast he doesn't rush.


IQ has several issues that need to be solved before he could be a full time PG, or a full time PG who isn't playing next to a dynamic, playmaking SG.

He has trouble turning the corner on defenders 1v1, needs a pick to get to moving towards the basket AT ALL
He's not exactly 100% error free or totally awesome with the picks he gets. He'll get the pick and still not get places 1/2 the time.
As a result of the above, but also because decision making, IQ spends a LOT of time and time off the clock going east west.
Then he launches a 28 ft 3 pointer. Ok in summer league, difference between W and L often in the regular season/real NBA players
Last and most maddeningly - he will take about 4-6 seconds off the clock just d*cking around. Could be in situations where the Lakers pressed and then he doesn't account for the fact it didn't take Knicks 5 seconds to get over the time line. Other times he just "does it". Kind of gets the shot clock to 8 seconds, THEN tries to run the first pick/play - it doesn't work, and he's...launching another poor 28 ft 3 pointer.

Yeah, I can see Thibs coaching him right after the game. He did these same things last year.

And for all that, since IQ does some other things extremely well, he's a good player. He can play some PG too.
He's a ways away from seeing serious minutes at PG, unless he fixes those things.
McBride might pass him on the PG depth chart for those reasons.


If SL is not a fluke, I think McBride will grab the PG role. He already has everything needed to run this team. He hits cutters super clean with quick straight line passes and when his shot is there he lets it go with almost no daylight needed. His defense is elite; the footwork on D is fantastic.

IQ could still be the PG though for two reasons: (a) if his scoring is so dynamic they have to carve out a starting role for him without bumping RJ and (b) he keeps improving his PG skills. What is notable about IQ 2.0 is his handle has improved and he’s working it big time to dominate the interior. His penetration skills are a real surprise and look to be ahead of McBride.

TBH, what will probably happen is they are the 2nd PG/SG backcourt and will light teams up and end up closing out games over Rose and Kemba. That’s what I see happening this season before they become starters. But they will still start some games this season no matter what because neither Rose nor Kemba are playing every game this year. That’s a given
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

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Post#1039 » by G_K_F » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:44 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:A few thoughts on Grimes that are more "hopes" than anything.

Grimes hasn't looked that great. It's concerning he doesn't have all that much handle and, for a guy who looked athletic in HS hightlight videos, doesn't look all that athletic. The shot isn't falling either, all that well, but the form is there.

So yeah, for the highest of the Knicks picks, a guy a little older, want to see more; come out of the gate like McBride did.

Here's the HOPE - none, some or all of which might happen.

He was a 5 star prospect going to Kansas, flamed out, and then somehow rebuilt his game and/or confidence and was a very good, winning player on Houston.

Maybe, within the context of what he'll be - and let's not ever expect he was going to be anything other than a maybe 15-20 mpg off the bench, tops - is that playing with confidence is important to his game (what player isn't it important to) but that it takes a while for that adjustment when he transitions a level.
And with that, since he's apparently smart and self aware enough, he tweaks his game to fit what works at that level, his confidence rises and he looks decent

So, for an "NBA ready" player, it might take Grimes a minute. Like all of training camp or part of the season. Hell, it could take all year and NEXT year he's the player the Knicks thought they drafted.

These are just possibilities/thoughts. I don't care if he does well or not. Meaning, I'm not invested in how he turns out based on some other guy the Knicks should have drafted so I'll bash him all year long, nor that I zeroed in on him in the draft hoping the Knicks would get him.

Generally, when phrases like "he'll look better with real NBA players" and even this stuff, a variation on "he needs some time to develop" come out, 99% of the time you know you have a bust/not that good a player/disappointment on your hands.

But, there's a chance maybe those reasons are holding him back a bit - the adjustment/confidence thing.
Who knows
Hope he gets it together.
Once RJ goes out in that trade, Knicks going to need a little guard/wing depth, don't really want large helping of Bacon.


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