Jeff Van Gully wrote:The KnicksFix wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:
no... i get your point just fine.
just in the throes of excitement you sometimes say things that are not accurate. the things i point out aren't to diminish your points. you just get so hopped up you throw in inaccuracies.
shoot. mess with me and your posts can be teflon. i want you to win properly. don't lose the patient over the unnecessary medical error, right?
I edited my post just now to include quick’s minutes. I don’t think what I’m saying is inaccurate. Again it’s how you’re viewing it. I said quick should have been playing more not less in that series. Quick deserved to be the back up to rose, yet elf was still getting minutes in that series to the end, while Alec Burks ate a majority of minutes at the 2
Rose and quick would have been a great two guard tandem to START. Instead he was buried.
The common theme in Thibs’ tenure was that he always buried the patient before he saw if his meds were working, no? When he finally saw what worked, it was too late. At the end of the day, when we had elfrid freekin Payton starting when we had rose on the bench, we were cooked. So my points can get nitpicked to the end for inaccuracies or discrepancies, it still doesn’t take away from the fact that the front office saw exactly what I was seeing. A day late and a dollar short. You can’t just lose games and go down one or two games in playoff series. That’s what coaching is about and that’s what life is about. You make the adjustment before someone gets the edge on you. Not the other way around.
let me re-clarify.
you said something about obi that was inaccurate -- that he didn't get enough of randle's backup minutes. i corrected that he got 100% of the randle backup minutes. as usual, you took the rest of it somewhere else -- your greater points about thibs.
i correct inaccuracies because as a moderator i want to see good faith conversations. i think accuracy is something we should all want in a space where we're talking ball. some things are matters of opinion. (note how i leave those be.) obi backing up julius randle is a matter of fact thing.
then i just added the quickley bit as an example of a rookie and young player who also played meaningful rotation minutes. i didn't say anything about who else was playing or defend elfrid's minutes in the mix. i didn't say anything about thibs being right or wrong, good or bad. i don't think anything i said threatens or challenges your overall stance.
Right, but if we are going to clarify each of my points, I’m going to rebutt your points when you said he averaged minutes in the 20s as a reserve.
That’s simply not accurate, Like I listed, quick had a downward trend in that playoff series against the hawks with the minutes at 21, 15, 15, 13, 13, when he should have been averaging MORE.
Again the point I’m trying to clarify here based on accuracy, quick averaged a higher +/- in those limited minutes compared to elf or burks, but saw a declining rate of minutes. He did not average 20 minutes as you said. I’m all for being accurate, but the message I’m trying to get across isn’t inaccurate, which leads to my Overall point about Thibs. He could never READ THE ROOM. He was rigid and formulaic. The same way he played his vets over rookies or bench guys then, is the same way he did it now. He never adjusted IN GAME, and in a field that require constant change and growth, he just did so at a slower pace.
