OT: The Official Coronavirus thread - Be well, be safe

[Clyde_Style]

I'm not a medical professional but I'd recommend reducing your refined sugar intake and all refined vegetable and seed oils (coconut oil and cold pressed olive oil are fine). We should all know that sugar is bad for health but the new data around industrial seed oils is shockingly bad. It turns out putting industrial waste products in food isn't good for humans. Labelling this garbage as "heart healthy" is the best part -> https://chriskresser.com/how-industrial-seed-oils-are-making-us-sick/

The best defense against this is a strong immune system.

I always come back to olive oil and butter myself. I did try out rapeseed for stir fries several months ago and it was easy to cook with, but now I won't touch it again.

[DOT]

I still don't get why minimum wage employees are supposed to have enough money to last months during a shutdown, but multi-billion dollar companies need to be bailed out after a week

Seems it should be the other way around, to me.

[Clyde_Style]

I still don't get why minimum wage employees are supposed to have enough money to last months during a shutdown, but multi-billion dollar companies need to be bailed out after a week

Seems it should be the other way around, to me.

Those minimum wage paycheck to paycheck people are Trump's base

Basically, the brainwashing formula is:

All politicians are bad so vote for an outsider. Trump is different, he's not one of them, he's unfiltered and authentically himself (i.e. an ahole, which they love). Sprinkle on some barely garbed racism and xenophobia. Inject Clinton Cash stories into their brain and every time someone says Trump is corrupt, they say What About Hillary? Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

Issue a little government cheese during a crisis to keep them in line while you bail out their overlords. That's how the working poor roll these days. They are at least 75% pro-Trump. No, it doesn't add up, but that's how it actually is

[Zenzibar]

My Dude, take good care, cause many in the you-know-who corner will follow his, ..Wall Street (big Business) is more important than the pandemic, elderly and regular Joe.

My other advise is that it's a good time to go vegetarian as much as possible. The meat industry is going to bypass safety regulations more now than ever, as inspectors are going to be non-existant. This may cause meat caused illnesses to soar and no room in the hospitals to help out.

Save the refrigerator and freezer space and store vegetables instead. Save the money and buy oatmeal, lots of beans, garlic etc. Your trips to Walmart will be less.

Thanks for the advice. I prepped a month ago. I do have ham, chicken, sausage in the freezer, but I won't be buying any more in the near future. When I work through that I'll go through my rice and noodles and make lots of bean dishes from scratch. In effect, I'll be going vegetarian by default once I work through my animal products. After I work through my frozen veggies in a month or two, I'll restock those and even go pick up fresh veggies and dip them in a bleach solution and rinse before I cook them just to maintain protocols as I expect we'll remain vulnerable until a vaccine is produced.

This is the year I learned how versatile a microwave is. I had no idea how good scrambled eggs are microwaved. They are like souffles.

And I always thought frozen veggies were less valuable because maybe they lacked life force, but I've become a big fan of frozen chopped kale, spinach, lima beans and they are very easy to incorporate into your oats, rice, noodles. With some beans and fermented foods on the side, you can make a very tasty bowl that is filling.

Do you get frozen food delivered? Been thinking about doing that cause most frozen food is cleaned out in groceries

Not frozen foods, but freezing vegetables instead of meats.

[AmazingJason]

Seeing Trump talk about the possibility of giving a back to work order or returning to normal life is delusional. They're finding traces of new coronavirus on surfaces in cruise ship cabins for as many as 17 days after passengers have left. It's obvious that this virus is nearly impossible to contain, the only chance is social distancing/quarantine. The U.K. found this out the hard way. There's no easy solution here, the economy is going to take a **** kicking but you have to get this virus under control. I'm beginning to think that the only thing that can save the situation is for the science community to find a vaccine. Otherwise, you have a health or an economic catastrophe, either way there's going to be a lot of pain.

Science needs to come to the rescue here.

Jethro

I don't think Trump is mentally ill. I think this is more-or-less the bottom line.

The cost of shutting down the economy for longer than a month or two is substantially more than the cost of letting the hospitals and the healthcare system getting overwhelmed and overrun. The reason why the stock market is precipitously dropping every day and the Fed is going all-in is because things are much, much worse than they are revealing to us. They must have crunched the numbers, and the states cannot afford the future unemployment payments, the pension funds cannot afford the market to crash 70-90%, the federal government cannot afford to bet more than than a $2T stimulus (10% of the economy).

In every war, there are casualties. I believe that Trump has decided to sacrifice the elderly and the healthcare workers in this war. He royally f*cked up containment and mitigation measures are failing; they aren't even being followed by the American people and many also don't want to follow them. A lot of the things they do in Asia cannot be done here because people care a lot more about freedom to do whatever they want without consequences than the good of the collective. My mom could very well die from this, but this is the country we live in, for better or for worse.

[8516knicks]

I still don't get why minimum wage employees are supposed to have enough money to last months during a shutdown, but multi-billion dollar companies need to be bailed out after a week

Seems it should be the other way around, to me.

Perhaps this Onion story might explain their perspective --

GOP Urges End Of Quarantine For Lifeless Bipedal Automatons That Make Economy Go

WASHINGTON—In an effort to contain the disastrous financial fallout resulting from the spread of Covid-19, economic advisor Larry Kudlow joined numerous GOP leaders Monday in urging an end of self-quarantine for the lifeless bipedal automatons that make the economy go. “We can’t allow this virus to completely upend American life, so we are recommending that these soulless humanoid contraptions return to powering the country as soon as possible,” said Kudlow

[SWYM]

New normal boys...

Waiting for all out Mad Max

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN20M124

[matchman]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/us/charles-lieber-harvard.html

Some interesting key words coming up in this article
Harvard
Chemistry department
China
PLA
Chinese spies nowhere to be caught
Wuhan
Fraud

Last year, Harvard was required to submit a detailed report about Dr. Lieber to N.I.H., which had provided $10 million in grants for his research projects. He told university officials that he had “no formal association” with the Wuhan University of Technology, prosecutors said, and that he “is not and has never been” a participant in the Thousand Talents program.

[Iron Mantis]

"Science needs to come to the rescue here."

Unfortunately too many do not believe much in Science and there is no vaccine for Stupidity.

I don't know too much about this and it's hard to know the facts for sure, it comes down to what you choose to believe or not but according to some there is a really good chance that this was created by science. Some are saying it's a biological weapon

Science does what it's told by those who are cutting those checks.

[Knick4Real]

I don't think Trump is mentally ill. I think this is more-or-less the bottom line.

The cost of shutting down the economy for longer than a month or two is substantially more than the cost of letting the hospitals and the healthcare system getting overwhelmed and overrun. The reason why the stock market is precipitously dropping every day and the Fed is going all-in is because things are much, much worse than they are revealing to us. They must have crunched the numbers, and the states cannot afford the future unemployment payments, the pension funds cannot afford the market to crash 70-90%, the federal government cannot afford to bet more than than a $2T stimulus (10% of the economy).

In every war, there are casualties. I believe that Trump has decided to sacrifice the elderly and the healthcare workers in this war. He royally f*cked up containment and mitigation measures are failing; they aren't even being followed by the American people and many also don't want to follow them. A lot of the things they do in Asia cannot be done here because people care a lot more about freedom to do whatever they want without consequences than the good of the collective. My mom could very well die from this, but this is the country we live in, for better or for worse.

Interesting take on what might be driving the "Reopen The Country" movement.

But, I disagree with one point. Trump IS mentally ill!

[Clyde_Style]

I don't think Trump is mentally ill. I think this is more-or-less the bottom line.

The cost of shutting down the economy for longer than a month or two is substantially more than the cost of letting the hospitals and the healthcare system getting overwhelmed and overrun. The reason why the stock market is precipitously dropping every day and the Fed is going all-in is because things are much, much worse than they are revealing to us. They must have crunched the numbers, and the states cannot afford the future unemployment payments, the pension funds cannot afford the market to crash 70-90%, the federal government cannot afford to bet more than than a $2T stimulus (10% of the economy).

In every war, there are casualties. I believe that Trump has decided to sacrifice the elderly and the healthcare workers in this war. He royally f*cked up containment and mitigation measures are failing; they aren't even being followed by the American people and many also don't want to follow them. A lot of the things they do in Asia cannot be done here because people care a lot more about freedom to do whatever they want without consequences than the good of the collective. My mom could very well die from this, but this is the country we live in, for better or for worse.

Interesting take on what might be driving the "Reopen The Country" movement.

But, I disagree with one point. Trump IS mentally ill!

Of course he is mentally ill. It doesn't mean he cannot function in some capacity that inflicts damage on others.

QUOTE:

Psychoanalyst and Holocaust survivor Erich Fromm, who invented the diagnosis of malignant narcissism, argues that it “lies on the borderline between sanity and insanity.” Otto Kernberg, a psychoanalyst specializing in borderline personalities, defined malignant narcissism as having four components: narcissism, paranoia, antisocial personality and sadism. Trump exhibits all four.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/04/trump-malignant-narcissistic-disorder-psychiatry-column/101243584/

70,000 mental health professionals signed this petition: Mental Health Professionals Declare Trump is Mentally Ill And Must Be Removed

https://www.change.org/p/trump-is-mentally-ill-and-must-be-removed

[Jeffrey]

I don't think Trump is mentally ill. I think this is more-or-less the bottom line.

The cost of shutting down the economy for longer than a month or two is substantially more than the cost of letting the hospitals and the healthcare system getting overwhelmed and overrun. The reason why the stock market is precipitously dropping every day and the Fed is going all-in is because things are much, much worse than they are revealing to us. They must have crunched the numbers, and the states cannot afford the future unemployment payments, the pension funds cannot afford the market to crash 70-90%, the federal government cannot afford to bet more than than a $2T stimulus (10% of the economy).

In every war, there are casualties. I believe that Trump has decided to sacrifice the elderly and the healthcare workers in this war. He royally f*cked up containment and mitigation measures are failing; they aren't even being followed by the American people and many also don't want to follow them. A lot of the things they do in Asia cannot be done here because people care a lot more about freedom to do whatever they want without consequences than the good of the collective. My mom could very well die from this, but this is the country we live in, for better or for worse.

Interesting take on what might be driving the "Reopen The Country" movement.

But, I disagree with one point. Trump IS mentally ill!

Of course he is mentally ill. It doesn't mean he cannot function in some capacity that inflicts damage on others.

QUOTE:

Psychoanalyst and Holocaust survivor Erich Fromm, who invented the diagnosis of malignant narcissism, argues that it “lies on the borderline between sanity and insanity.” Otto Kernberg, a psychoanalyst specializing in borderline personalities, defined malignant narcissism as having four components: narcissism, paranoia, antisocial personality and sadism. Trump exhibits all four.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/04/trump-malignant-narcissistic-disorder-psychiatry-column/101243584/

70,000 mental health professionals signed this petition: Mental Health Professionals Declare Trump is Mentally Ill And Must Be Removed

https://www.change.org/p/trump-is-mentally-ill-and-must-be-removed

Man I don't want his reasoning to be mental illness because his administration was such a disaster. I want the narrative to be that he was a perfect healthy person (like he said) and was running this sinking ship.

[Clyde_Style]

Interesting take on what might be driving the "Reopen The Country" movement.

But, I disagree with one point. Trump IS mentally ill!

Of course he is mentally ill. It doesn't mean he cannot function in some capacity that inflicts damage on others.

QUOTE:

Psychoanalyst and Holocaust survivor Erich Fromm, who invented the diagnosis of malignant narcissism, argues that it “lies on the borderline between sanity and insanity.” Otto Kernberg, a psychoanalyst specializing in borderline personalities, defined malignant narcissism as having four components: narcissism, paranoia, antisocial personality and sadism. Trump exhibits all four.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/04/trump-malignant-narcissistic-disorder-psychiatry-column/101243584/

70,000 mental health professionals signed this petition: Mental Health Professionals Declare Trump is Mentally Ill And Must Be Removed

https://www.change.org/p/trump-is-mentally-ill-and-must-be-removed

Man I don't want his reasoning to be mental illness because his administration was such a disaster. I want the narrative to be that he was a perfect healthy person (like he said) and was running this sinking ship.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The truth is he is a sociopath.

How the narrative gets relayed impacts two areas:

swing votes and the historical record.

[DOT]

Of course he is mentally ill. It doesn't mean he cannot function in some capacity that inflicts damage on others.

QUOTE:

Psychoanalyst and Holocaust survivor Erich Fromm, who invented the diagnosis of malignant narcissism, argues that it “lies on the borderline between sanity and insanity.” Otto Kernberg, a psychoanalyst specializing in borderline personalities, defined malignant narcissism as having four components: narcissism, paranoia, antisocial personality and sadism. Trump exhibits all four.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/04/trump-malignant-narcissistic-disorder-psychiatry-column/101243584/

70,000 mental health professionals signed this petition: Mental Health Professionals Declare Trump is Mentally Ill And Must Be Removed

https://www.change.org/p/trump-is-mentally-ill-and-must-be-removed

Man I don't want his reasoning to be mental illness because his administration was such a disaster. I want the narrative to be that he was a perfect healthy person (like he said) and was running this sinking ship.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The truth is he is a sociopath.

How the narrative gets relayed impacts two areas:

swing votes and the historical record.

I just assume it's a combination of Daddy issues, affluenza, and regular stupidity, all amplified by cognitive decline brought on by STDs (likely syphilis)

[Clyde_Style]

Man I don't want his reasoning to be mental illness because his administration was such a disaster. I want the narrative to be that he was a perfect healthy person (like he said) and was running this sinking ship.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The truth is he is a sociopath.

How the narrative gets relayed impacts two areas:

swing votes and the historical record.

I just assume it's a combination of Daddy issues, affluenza, and regular stupidity, all amplified by cognitive decline brought on by STDs (likely syphilis)

.... and drug use. He was a Studio 54 coke snorting 80s guy. And long-time staffers on the Apprentice have corroborated he would ground up Adderall and snort it. The guy had drawers of sudafeds at Trump Tower (pseudoephidrine). He's a chronic abuser of all kinds of stimulants. Dude still sniffs while he speaks so I doubt that has abated

[DOT]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The truth is he is a sociopath.

How the narrative gets relayed impacts two areas:

swing votes and the historical record.

I just assume it's a combination of Daddy issues, affluenza, and regular stupidity, all amplified by cognitive decline brought on by STDs (likely syphilis)

.... and drug use. He was a Studio 54 coke snorting 80s guy. And long-time staffers on the Apprentice have corroborated he would ground up Adderall and snort it. The guy had drawers of sudafeds at Trump Tower (pseudoephidrine). He's a chronic abuser of all kinds of stimulants. Dude still sniffs while he speaks so I doubt that has abated

That too, but I figured that went without saying

If he wasn't born to rich parents, he'd be one of those people price gouging toilet paper in a WalMart parking lot right now

[robillionaire]

Boomers, your president is asking you to make the ultimate sacrifice so we can keep the stock market up a few points. I’m sure there will be no objections as this is your patriotic duty. We will remember you as heroes!

[DOT]

Boomers, your president is asking you to make the ultimate sacrifice so we can keep the stock market up a few points. I’m sure there will be no objections as this is your patriotic duty. We will remember you as heroes!

[Jethrobodine123]

The man has shown an absence of conscience/empathy, a psychological need for power, and a sense of importance (grandiosity). Have you ever known anyone who has lied more than 16,000 times in less than 4 years? This is someone who literally stole from charity. There is no bottom with this man. To now have him in the most powerful position during such a crisis is incredibly scary to be very diplomatic.

How long until he gets rid of Dr Anthony Fauci? You know he doesn't like it when someone else gets too much attention. He's already missed a couple of press conferences.

Jethro

[BLACKFEET 2010]

An alarming part of the media coverage that’s taking place is the Fauci vs Trump narrative. It’s as if they’re recklessly fanning the flames to an eventual discourse between the two. Like for instance if Fauci had a conversation secretly recorded being critical of the president they’d broadcast it with no regard for the fallout. They’re very familiar with Trump’s immaturity and quick trigger and yet in their care for our country, they’d rather a headline than to do right by the people.
I ain’t getting into the politics of this. But damn, we have been exposed by this virus in more ways than one.