HarthorneWingo wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
Protesting to protect our constitutional rights is not “anarchy.” Protesting “is as American as apple pie””.”
“Disease”? Please explain.
“Division”? Please explain.
Riots are anarchy.
Non-stop Corona pimping.
Identity Politics.
That's what I see. You'll disagree of course. That's fine. I think this election comes down to how the people in the middle see it.
There is some debate about who causing the riots and who's doing the destroying. Most protest for human rights are messy. Democracy is very messy, apparently.
"Corona pimping"?
And by that you mean to say that COVID is "fake news"? How about your bike rally of over 400,000 in Sturgis, Wisconsin?
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-09-08/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-may-have-caused-over-250-000-coronavirus-cases-reportReport: Sturgis Motorcycle Rally May Have Caused Over 250,000 Coronavirus CasesThe report estimated that the rally generated about $12.2 billion in public health costs, which is based on the statistical cost of a COVID-19 case.By Cecelia Smith-Schoenwalder, Staff Writer Sept. 8, 2020, at 1:51 p.m.
Thousands of bikers rode through the streets for the opening day of the 80th annual Sturgis Motorcycle rally Friday, Aug. 7, 2020, in Sturgis, S.D.(STEPHEN GROVES/AP)
THERE IS "STRONG evidence" that a motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota, that drew hundreds of thousands of people could have been a coronavirus superspreader event, according to a recent report.
Over 400,000 motorcycle enthusiasts gathered for the annual rally from Aug. 7-16, and it was reported that social distancing and mask wearing at some of the events was not observed.
The rally was officially linked to hundreds of coronavirus cases across more than 10 states and at least one death. But the study that relied on cell phone data to track movements estimates that over 250,000 reported coronavirus cases from August 2 to September 2 are due to the rally – nearly 20% of the national cases during that time period, according to Andrew Friedson, one of the authors of the report.
Counties with the highest numbers of rally attendees had roughly a 7-12% increase in cases when compared to counties without rally goers, according to the report from the IZA Institute of Labor Economics, an independent economic research group.
The report found that the rally had many of the factors to make a superspreading event: it was prolonged, individuals were packed closely together, it involved a large out-of-town population and there was a low compliance rate with recommended mitigation measures. A couple factors that did work in the event's favor, however, included that the venue was outdoors and that South Dakota has a low population density.
Trump lied to us (of course!) about the danger of the virus, according to audio tapes of author/reporter Bob Woodward.
As for "identity politics," there are clearly those that have and those that don't have. I tend to frame things in terms of economic humanity and what we need to do to survive as a country with a healthy economy which supports a thriving middle class and not just big corporations and the top 1%.
I'm trying to remember, what did you think of the Bernie/Progressive platform?
The whole reason you have a Sturgis is because lots and lots of people aren't buyers on Covid being some dire emergency. I think the restrictions are wearing on these people and they've had enough. Those same people aren't going to buy 250,000 new cases because of that event. That's just ridiculous. How come the riots don't cause Covid, Democrats are immune? Plenty of people find the double standard (Please Use More Appropriate Word).
I could show a link discrediting the 250K but why bother, you won't be swayed and that's fine. Couldn't care less.
But let me ask you this, have you given any thought to how the constant Covid scare on the Democratic side will affect your in person voters? Because we on the right are heavily discounting the propaganda. Our seniors are scared shirtless though so you got us there with the campaign. It will be very interesting how this dynamic plays out.
I previously brought up a focus group link which was discounted here. Fine, but they were Obama-Trump voters. They could go either way. They aren't tuned into MSM. They don't blame Trump like you do for Covid. That's a problem for you because you can't reach them and they don't agree with you.
I'll believe the left doesn't support the riots when Democratic officials start prosecuting the ones causing the violence. Instead they release them without charges. This is being played all over and people are picking up on it.
Identity politics is about pitting groups of people against each other. You're free to disagree but I'm just saying that's the way I see it.
As far as economics go and the 1% and economic disparity I think you and I could find common grounds. The gap between the haves and have nots is an enormous problem.
The solutions may be different but I think that can be worked on. For example plenty of people in the left believe Capitalism is the problem but to me the problem is Crony Capitalism. There is an entrenched system of pay for play that hurts everyone not in "The Big Club" as George Carlin put it.
don’t know what more people need to see to get up and vote for Joe Biden. Trump actively hates people of colour and their lives have not gotten better the past 4 years. You can lead a horse to water...
hey, as long as we get it passed. If we have to steamroll them - like they've done us - then all the better. They need to be humbled.
