Draft Night Part Deux - Knicks with Picks 25 and 33

[-YogiBiz-]

I’m physically ill. Obi over Deni. Idk if I can do this man.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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[knickstape4ever]

I'm upset by how they handled the 2nd pick. 1st missing out on Hampton who has considerable upside and was considered BPA at 23. then taking Quickley at 25 when they could have taken a higher rated player, like a Bane, because they likely could have gotten Quickley at 33 regardless

but I also don't like overall how dominated the FO, coaching, players have been dominated by CAA/Kentucky connections

Just playing devils advocate not arguing with you I promise. But is it possibly our Kentucky connections that let us know Quickley was not going to last to 33. So we had to make a hard decision and went with the guy we really wanted.

Pretty good chance of that. He lit it up at the combine

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not so sure, + a lot of those guys on those lists were mid-late 2nds, undrafted

looking at the picks after 25:

Celtics: Pritchard - rumored to have late 1st round promise
Jazz: Azubuike - filling a specific need after trading Bradley to clear $
Thunder: McDaniels - McDaniels was BPA and a lot of mocks had him going to OKC
Raptors: Flynn - he was getting mid-late 1st round buzz, considered a very good pick
Memphis: Bane (I would have taken him at 25), dont know what happens here if Bane were gone b4
Mavs: Terry - most would agree that was a very good value pick, some here wanted him at 8
Hornets: Carey - they were taking a big after taking Ball in the 1st (missing out on Wiseman)

I think it's very possible Quickley could have been available at 33. I like the player, just wish it played out differently and got him at 33 + had another player

[bleedblue3303]

I’m physically ill. Obi over Deni. Idk if I can do this man.

another one. I'm here all night, with a good bottle of red. You are upset we drafted the best player in college basketball and possibly the best offensive player in the whole draft. Over a kid who lit up the Israeli league with weak competition, has little athleticism and a questionable shot. There were also 7 other teams who felt he wasn't the guy.

And would Deni of done this? How do you not love the pick after this!!

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[bleedblue3303]

Just playing devils advocate not arguing with you I promise. But is it possibly our Kentucky connections that let us know Quickley was not going to last to 33. So we had to make a hard decision and went with the guy we really wanted.

Pretty good chance of that. He lit it up at the combine

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not so sure, + a lot of those guys on those lists were mid-late 2nds, undrafted

looking at the picks after 25:

Celtics: Pritchard - rumored to have late 1st round promise
Jazz: Azubuike - filling a specific need after trading Bradley to clear $
Thunder: McDaniels - McDaniels was BPA and a lot of mocks had him going to OKC
Raptors: Flynn - he was getting mid-late 1st round buzz, considered a very good pick
Memphis: Bane (I would have taken him at 25), dont know what happens here if Bane were gone b4
Mavs: Terry - most would agree that was a very good value pick, some here wanted him at 8
Hornets: Carey - they were taking a big after taking Ball in the 1st (missing out on Wiseman)

I think it's very possible Quickley could have been available at 33. I like the player, just wish it played out differently and got him at 33 + had another player

I spoke on the radio with Fran Fraschilla today. I wanted Terry. Thought he was great from all my research. Fran said and I quote, "Terry is a great kid. But might be the single most overrated player in this whole draft and quite possibly the worst defender by far."
3 of the players on that list, Pritchard, Terry, and Flynn all play the same position as Quickley. Very easily he could of got taken in any of those spots not available to us at 33. I'm just saying I trust this front office and their opinion of players and agencies form which they know more than anyone.

[WargamesX]

it's really embarrassing. I was willing to give Leon the benefit of the doubt but every step of the way it's been CAA or Kentucky.

objectivity is an important role in team-building and thus far he's not shown that

I don't even mind Obi or Quickley but I do question the fit w/ Obi and I thought Quickley could have been had later. I would have liked to take a shot on RJ Hampton who reminds me of Zach LaVine

So your saying we should have the competitive advantage of having the head of the biggest agency in the world and the second coach on the biggest college program in the world and not use it? It doesn't make sense. I'm thrilled we went with CAA and Kentucky guys because we know more about them than any other team in the league.
I'm the first one to bash this team. But its enough, this time we used our connections to make informed decisions. I can live with that.

On a side note OBI is the best offensive player in the draft. He's on our team and a strong candidate for rookie of the year. We may not win much this year but its a great first step toward building a great young team.

ok, but not all CAA players are great, same goes for Kentucky

it is important for FO's to be objective and take the best talent available. not the best talent available that's friends w/ my friend

I like Obi. I just think next to Mitch we need more of a stretch-4 so it'll be interesting to see if his volume improves. He definitely needs to improve his defense

and Quickley I like too; 1 of the 5 best shooters in the draft IMO and I thought there was a good chance we'd get him....in the 2nd round tho. it was a bit of a reach w/ better players available (and I'm counting RJ Hampton because we passed on him to pickup a 2023 2nd rounder....we could've used the pick)

No proof, just conjecture and theorizing..... but I wonder if the plan was Obi, RJ Hampton, and Quickley and Denver messed it up. We worked RJ out, and there was some buzz between him and the Knicks. It would explain why RJ and his family were so pissed, they wanted to go to NY where he wouldn’t be buried behind so much depth. Going back to the Melo trade Denver has had crazy depth and players get buried there. In NY he could legit start and even if he doesn’t, he would see minutes off the bench.

Once they missed out on RJ, they took Quickley (who was on their draft board) and got stuck with a pick they didn’t need.

[bleedblue3303]

So your saying we should have the competitive advantage of having the head of the biggest agency in the world and the second coach on the biggest college program in the world and not use it? It doesn't make sense. I'm thrilled we went with CAA and Kentucky guys because we know more about them than any other team in the league.
I'm the first one to bash this team. But its enough, this time we used our connections to make informed decisions. I can live with that.

On a side note OBI is the best offensive player in the draft. He's on our team and a strong candidate for rookie of the year. We may not win much this year but its a great first step toward building a great young team.

ok, but not all CAA players are great, same goes for Kentucky

it is important for FO's to be objective and take the best talent available. not the best talent available that's friends w/ my friend

I like Obi. I just think next to Mitch we need more of a stretch-4 so it'll be interesting to see if his volume improves. He definitely needs to improve his defense

and Quickley I like too; 1 of the 5 best shooters in the draft IMO and I thought there was a good chance we'd get him....in the 2nd round tho. it was a bit of a reach w/ better players available (and I'm counting RJ Hampton because we passed on him to pickup a 2023 2nd rounder....we could've used the pick)

No proof, just conjecture and theorizing..... but I wonder if the plan was Obi, RJ Hampton, and Quickley and Denver messed it up. We worked RJ out, and there was some buzz between him and the Knicks. It would explain why RJ and his family were so pissed, they wanted to go to NY where he wouldn’t be buried behind so much depth. Going back to the Melo trade Denver has had crazy depth and players get buried there. Once they missed out on RJ, they took Quickley (who was on their draft board) and got stuck with a pick they didn’t need.

I wouldn't doubt it and would have loved that combo. I'm surprised there was no one at 33 we liked. But happy that if we didn't like it we didn't waste it. we got something for it. fingers crossed we on the right path. Gonna be a long year, but hopefully fun with development. Is it too early to start the 2021 draft thread?

[robillionaire]

So your saying we should have the competitive advantage of having the head of the biggest agency in the world and the second coach on the biggest college program in the world and not use it? It doesn't make sense. I'm thrilled we went with CAA and Kentucky guys because we know more about them than any other team in the league.
I'm the first one to bash this team. But its enough, this time we used our connections to make informed decisions. I can live with that.

On a side note OBI is the best offensive player in the draft. He's on our team and a strong candidate for rookie of the year. We may not win much this year but its a great first step toward building a great young team.

ok, but not all CAA players are great, same goes for Kentucky

it is important for FO's to be objective and take the best talent available. not the best talent available that's friends w/ my friend

I like Obi. I just think next to Mitch we need more of a stretch-4 so it'll be interesting to see if his volume improves. He definitely needs to improve his defense

and Quickley I like too; 1 of the 5 best shooters in the draft IMO and I thought there was a good chance we'd get him....in the 2nd round tho. it was a bit of a reach w/ better players available (and I'm counting RJ Hampton because we passed on him to pickup a 2023 2nd rounder....we could've used the pick)

No proof, just conjecture and theorizing..... but I wonder if the plan was Obi, RJ Hampton, and Quickley and Denver messed it up. We worked RJ out, and there was some buzz between him and the Knicks. It would explain why RJ and his family were so pissed, they wanted to go to NY where he wouldn’t be buried behind so much depth. Going back to the Melo trade Denver has had crazy depth and players get buried there. Once they missed out on RJ, they took Quickley (who was on their draft board) and got stuck with a pick they didn’t need.

I think they hoped Stewart would be there at 23 which is why they did the initial trade. Then when he went 16 they went after Quickley and put a future 2nd in their pocket because they didn't want anyone else in that range. I don't think they wanted Hampton

[WargamesX]

ok, but not all CAA players are great, same goes for Kentucky

it is important for FO's to be objective and take the best talent available. not the best talent available that's friends w/ my friend

I like Obi. I just think next to Mitch we need more of a stretch-4 so it'll be interesting to see if his volume improves. He definitely needs to improve his defense

and Quickley I like too; 1 of the 5 best shooters in the draft IMO and I thought there was a good chance we'd get him....in the 2nd round tho. it was a bit of a reach w/ better players available (and I'm counting RJ Hampton because we passed on him to pickup a 2023 2nd rounder....we could've used the pick)

No proof, just conjecture and theorizing..... but I wonder if the plan was Obi, RJ Hampton, and Quickley and Denver messed it up. We worked RJ out, and there was some buzz between him and the Knicks. It would explain why RJ and his family were so pissed, they wanted to go to NY where he wouldn’t be buried behind so much depth. Going back to the Melo trade Denver has had crazy depth and players get buried there. Once they missed out on RJ, they took Quickley (who was on their draft board) and got stuck with a pick they didn’t need.

I think they hoped Stewart would be there at 23 which is why they did the initial trade. Then when he went 16 they went after Quickley and put a future 2nd in their pocket because they didn't want anyone else in that range. I don't think they wanted Hampton

Possibly, though why they would draft Stewart after Obi would be .... they definitely moved like a team that was trying to get someone else at either 23 or 25.

[bleedblue3303]

No proof, just conjecture and theorizing..... but I wonder if the plan was Obi, RJ Hampton, and Quickley and Denver messed it up. We worked RJ out, and there was some buzz between him and the Knicks. It would explain why RJ and his family were so pissed, they wanted to go to NY where he wouldn’t be buried behind so much depth. Going back to the Melo trade Denver has had crazy depth and players get buried there. Once they missed out on RJ, they took Quickley (who was on their draft board) and got stuck with a pick they didn’t need.

I think they hoped Stewart would be there at 23 which is why they did the initial trade. Then when he went 16 they went after Quickley and put a future 2nd in their pocket because they didn't want anyone else in that range. I don't think they wanted Hampton

Possibly, though why they would draft Stewart after Obi would be .... they definitely moved like a team that was trying to get someone else at either 23 or 25.

I wonder if we originally traded up to 23 when Maxey was slipping in the hopes we could get him.

[Knick4Real]

BREAKING: For all those who are upset we didn't draft a PG, I just found out some very interesting news.

It seems we aren't limited to only the draft to find our PG. Apparently, there's some new and obscure rule in the NBA that says we can actually TRADE for one already in the NBA. According to this rule, our front office could have been planning to trade for and not draft a PG all along. And, get this, they don't even have to tell the fans about it in advance. They can just do it.

Who knew???

[robillionaire]

I think they hoped Stewart would be there at 23 which is why they did the initial trade. Then when he went 16 they went after Quickley and put a future 2nd in their pocket because they didn't want anyone else in that range. I don't think they wanted Hampton

Possibly, though why they would draft Stewart after Obi would be .... they definitely moved like a team that was trying to get someone else at either 23 or 25.

I wonder if we originally traded up to 23 when Maxey was slipping in the hopes we could get him.

Could be that too but I'm not sure why they thought he would be there at 23 before the draft. I'm surprised he was even there at 21. But maybe they had someone in mind they had hoped would be there at 23, and they didn't, and then they did the trade back for Quickley + future pick

Another explanation is that they thought 23 would help them trade up to 5 to get toppin which is why they did that trade yesterday morning, they wound up getting toppin anyway without trading up, and then just decided to wing it with a trade back to get quickley who they liked and also pocket a future asset.

We can only speculate but I wish we knew

[BBALLER4FR]

BREAKING: For all those who are upset we didn't draft a PG, I just found out some very interesting news.

It seems we aren't limited to only the draft to find our PG. Apparently, there's some new and obscure rule in the NBA that says we can actually TRADE for one already in the NBA. And, get this, the front office could have been planning this all along AND didn't have to tell any of the fans about their plans in advance.

Who knew???

Not a Woj bomb. Fake news.

[bleedblue3303]

Possibly, though why they would draft Stewart after Obi would be .... they definitely moved like a team that was trying to get someone else at either 23 or 25.

I wonder if we originally traded up to 23 when Maxey was slipping in the hopes we could get him.

Could be that too but I'm not sure why they thought he would be there at 23 before the draft. I'm surprised he was even there at 21. But maybe they had someone in mind they had hoped would be there at 23, and they didn't, and then they did the trade back for Quickley + future pick

Another explanation is that they thought 23 would help them trade up to 5 to get toppin which is why they did that trade yesterday morning, they wound up getting toppin anyway without trading up, and then just decided to wing it with a trade back to get quickley who they liked and also pocket a future asset.

We can only speculate but I wish we knew

Your 100 percent right we made that move much earlier. The good bottle of red starting to kick in otherwise I would have remembered that. My bad.

[knickstape4ever]

I wonder if they gave Quickley a promise b/c he's already in ny

[Oscirus]

I think they hoped Stewart would be there at 23 which is why they did the initial trade. Then when he went 16 they went after Quickley and put a future 2nd in their pocket because they didn't want anyone else in that range. I don't think they wanted Hampton

Possibly, though why they would draft Stewart after Obi would be .... they definitely moved like a team that was trying to get someone else at either 23 or 25.

I wonder if we originally traded up to 23 when Maxey was slipping in the hopes we could get him.

The knicks were clearly looking for shooting, Maxey wasnt a shooter so I doubt that he wouldve been drafted even if the knicks had the opportunity

[Clyde_Style]

So your saying we should have the competitive advantage of having the head of the biggest agency in the world and the second coach on the biggest college program in the world and not use it? It doesn't make sense. I'm thrilled we went with CAA and Kentucky guys because we know more about them than any other team in the league.
I'm the first one to bash this team. But its enough, this time we used our connections to make informed decisions. I can live with that.

On a side note OBI is the best offensive player in the draft. He's on our team and a strong candidate for rookie of the year. We may not win much this year but its a great first step toward building a great young team.

ok, but not all CAA players are great, same goes for Kentucky

it is important for FO's to be objective and take the best talent available. not the best talent available that's friends w/ my friend

I like Obi. I just think next to Mitch we need more of a stretch-4 so it'll be interesting to see if his volume improves. He definitely needs to improve his defense

and Quickley I like too; 1 of the 5 best shooters in the draft IMO and I thought there was a good chance we'd get him....in the 2nd round tho. it was a bit of a reach w/ better players available (and I'm counting RJ Hampton because we passed on him to pickup a 2023 2nd rounder....we could've used the pick)

No proof, just conjecture and theorizing..... but I wonder if the plan was Obi, RJ Hampton, and Quickley and Denver messed it up. We worked RJ out, and there was some buzz between him and the Knicks. It would explain why RJ and his family were so pissed, they wanted to go to NY where he wouldn’t be buried behind so much depth. Going back to the Melo trade Denver has had crazy depth and players get buried there. In NY he could legit start and even if he doesn’t, he would see minutes off the bench.

Once they missed out on RJ, they took Quickley (who was on their draft board) and got stuck with a pick they didn’t need.

Something may have changed in the two selections immediately before Quickley perhaps, but now it seems he was on their wish list and whomever they could have held out for at 33 was already gone

[sims]

I spoke on the radio with Fran Fraschilla today. I wanted Terry. Thought he was great from all my research. Fran said and I quote, "Terry is a great kid. But might be the single most overrated player in this whole draft and quite possibly the worst defender by far."
3 of the players on that list, Pritchard, Terry, and Flynn all play the same position as Quickley. Very easily he could of got taken in any of those spots not available to us at 33.

terry was a sentimental pick for me - for a lot of people, really - but man, that body.... i just don't know if he'll ever be an nba-level athlete, and that's before even getting to the size and strength concerns. i'm rooting for the kid and hope he finds some success in the league because he'll be a fun one to watch if he pans out.

I'm just saying I trust this front office and their opinion of players and agencies form which they know more than anyone.

i mean i'd feel differently about all this CAA/kentucky stuff if it ever worked out in our favor. it seems we're always the ones giving the favors for nothing in return - we're very obviously the marks at this poker table. our role in this relationship is to serve as a landing spot for their detritus so agents and coach cal can get another feather in their cap. and for our troubles we get the privilege of bidding against ourselves for those guys and overpaying them by orders of magnitude.

sincerely hoping obi bucks this trend. and he just might.

[blanko]

I say we offer paul eboua a cobtract. We can use a wing with his size/wingspan/atheletic ability.

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[aq_ua]

What's the over/under on the Knicks signing Khalil Whitney to a two-way?