2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath (Part 2)

[Clyde_Style]

Oh stop. I was right about the insurrection attempt being real. You never give me credit for anything.

I'm not sure any of us predicted a storming of the congress, but your fears of a coup were legitimate.

I do think what we witnessed was ultimately pathetic, because Trump actually thought that if he could get buffalo heads and zip ties to hold congress hostage then somehow he'd get the military to validate him as POTUS which still was NEVER going to happen.

So even as I watched this unfold with my jaw on the ground, not for a second did I yet think Biden would not be inaugurated, so I disagreed with their ability to stage a coup, not whether they hoped to have one. Big Diff

IOW, I was always right that they could not overturn the election even if they did fulfill your vision of the Purge version of an insurrection. No, I did not expect to see what we just witnessed, but I never felt like the government would fall to these people with this attempt. It was still ineffective, though violent, dangerous, treasonous and distrurbing as it was.

I mean you were definitely right that his attempts to overthrow the elections through the legal challenges would fall flat even at the level of the supreme court. I wasn't nearly as confident about that as you were. You've been "righter" than me. But I was in fact shouting it to the rooftops that if his legal challenges failed, he would activate his "standing by" miltias to attack, and they sure enough did. They probably aren't even done either. Remember the beer hall putsch

Yeah, Buzz was predicting this and it came true. That's what you get when you appeal to the dregs of society to rise up and they take it as the gospel clarion calling them to mecca. These are savages and mostly illiterates being told to trash the country as a patriotic act.

It was a bad campaign move, but Hillary was absolutely correct. These people are the deplorables and deserve to be shunned. As we can see already happening, a whole boatload of them are going to have criminal records for what they did.

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Dems have to impeach and let the Republicans slow walk it or vote it down -- that's on them. President perpetrated a big lie (which he's basically now admitting) and people died. He gave them comfort DURING the incident. If you don't impeach and remove, you don't have any standards.

We stopped having standards the moment Trump was elected.

[Clyde_Style]

Before the other day I thought there was a 0% chance of him being held criminally accountable for anything, and thought that Clyde was nutso for believing it. Now I put it at 50%. I do think he will pardon himself and that will be a point of controversy and discussion, and I think there's a decent chance he gets let off the hook by his supreme court justices or by the Biden admin, in the name of "healing". But we'll see. He definitely has earned prison time. But so have a lot of billionaires and politicians who never seem to get it.

Well, that's how this works. You think I'm nutso, I tell you to chill and then you admit I was right. Anyway, SCOTUS is not going to let him off the hook for sedition. No way. Weirdos like Brett Kavanaugh are buddies with many of those Republicans who were cowering in the Senate chambers. Nah, Trump has no one on SCOTUS to save him this time. If they were not going to overturn a fair election they surely are not going to protect a traitor.

And because of this treason, SCOTUS is almost certain to decline to hear any appeal on a lower court ruling that overturns Trump's self-pardon.

Pardons are going to be nullified. Trump is going to be tried for treason. Book it

Speaking of Kavanaugh, I saw somebody report that we had more arrests on each of the first three days of the Kavanaugh hearings, mostly women and/or sexual assault survivors, than we did during the storming of the Capitol.

Think about that one for a second...

Of course, the double standards were on full display, particularly due to the inside cooperation of MAGA cops.

The primary difference today is a lot of these people this time will actually do time for this.

And it shone a bright AF light on how pervasive the Nazis are in law enforcement.

[robillionaire]

I'm not sure any of us predicted a storming of the congress, but your fears of a coup were legitimate.

I do think what we witnessed was ultimately pathetic, because Trump actually thought that if he could get buffalo heads and zip ties to hold congress hostage then somehow he'd get the military to validate him as POTUS which still was NEVER going to happen.

So even as I watched this unfold with my jaw on the ground, not for a second did I yet think Biden would not be inaugurated, so I disagreed with their ability to stage a coup, not whether they hoped to have one. Big Diff

IOW, I was always right that they could not overturn the election even if they did fulfill your vision of the Purge version of an insurrection. No, I did not expect to see what we just witnessed, but I never felt like the government would fall to these people with this attempt. It was still ineffective, though violent, dangerous, treasonous and distrurbing as it was.

I mean you were definitely right that his attempts to overthrow the elections through the legal challenges would fall flat even at the level of the supreme court. I wasn't nearly as confident about that as you were. You've been "righter" than me. But I was in fact shouting it to the rooftops that if his legal challenges failed, he would activate his "standing by" miltias to attack, and they sure enough did. They probably aren't even done either. Remember the beer hall putsch

Yeah, Buzz was predicting this and it came true. That's what you get when you appeal to the dregs of society to rise up and they take as the gospel clarion calling them to mecca. These are savages and mostly illiterates being told to trash the country as a patriotic act.

It was a bad campaign move, but Hillary was absolutely correct. These people are the deplorables and deserve to be shunned. As we can see already happening, a whole boatload of them are going to have criminal records for what they did.

Yep, she was right. But hey check this out, sorry for linking to rupert but I can't find it anywhere else.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/texas-woman-flew-on-private-jet-to-washington-d-c-to-storm-the-capitol/

[Jeff Van Gully]

Dems have to impeach and let the Republicans slow walk it or vote it down -- that's on them. President perpetrated a big lie (which he's basically now admitting) and people died. He gave them comfort DURING the incident. If you don't impeach and remove, you don't have any standards.

We stopped having standards the moment Trump was elected.

the MOMENT.

[dakomish23]

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Krak-head

When I mocked the idea that this idiot would somehow overturn the election, my MAGAland cousin who’s a huge conspiracy theorist, said she’s the best lawyer ever.

I’m enjoying him trying to conspiracy theory his way out of this

[robillionaire]

Dems have to impeach and let the Republicans slow walk it or vote it down -- that's on them. President perpetrated a big lie (which he's basically now admitting) and people died. He gave them comfort DURING the incident. If you don't impeach and remove, you don't have any standards.

We stopped having standards the moment Trump was elected.

the MOMENT.

consider that the sentiments that got him elected must have existed before he was elected, or he wouldn't have ever been elected in the first place. we need to establish better standards

[stuporman]

So people really do think anything is going to happen to anyone of significance because of this? A few nobodies will get arrested but none of the people in power who enabled and incited this for months and years will have anything happen to them.

Well, other than have their reps rehabilitated by the media and establishment dems after some performative clutching of pearls and feign outrage for an interview or two then they will go back to being the vile hateful partisan hacks they have always been obstructing any policy that would help the average person while rubber stamping anything that helps the wealthy and corporations.

Nothing is going to happen to anyone of significance.....you are fooling yourself if you believe otherwise. This is terrorism from the right wing conservative religious and it is endorsed and encouraged by the republican party but it's also the way these intolerant people have behaved since the founding of this country, even before it.

So why should what happened surprise you? They have been saying it for years openly and brazenly telling us what they were going to do and now try to blame it on....um, antifa? BLM? They have repeatedly attacked others and blamed those others for them doing so. It's what they have always done.

The centrists will let them get away with it again because they are deluded by thinking they are dealing with reasonable people. If only they had the same energy to fight the violent right as they use to fight the progressives who just want to give people heath care, an education and a living wage.

None of this surprises me and the weak willed in the center are going to allow this country to continue to be ruled by violent bigots as long as it doesn't disturb their comfortable bubble life.

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[Clyde_Style]

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The sorest loser in history

What a whiny bitch baby

Of all the lunacy that has gone down over the past two months, that was the easiest to predict of all. I called it this summer. Which is like taking credit for saying you knew the Bulls were gonna win championships during the 90s. The layup of all layups.

He couldn't attend now if he wanted to so it is a typical Trump move to say he's not going

[robillionaire]

So people really do think anything is going to happen to anyone of significance because of this? A few nobodies will get arrested but none of the people in power who enabled and incited this for months and years will have anything happen to them.

Well, other than have their reps rehabilitated by the media and establishment dems after some performative clutching of pearls and feign outrage for an interview or two then they will go back to being the vile hateful partisan hacks they have always been obstructing any policy that would help the average person while rubber stamping anything that helps the wealthy and corporations.

Nothing is going to happen to anyone of significance.....you are fooling yourself if you believe otherwise. This is terrorism from the right wing conservative religious and it is endorsed and encouraged by the republican party but it's also the way these intolerant people have behaved since the founding of this country, even before it.

So why should what happened surprise you? They have been saying it for years openly and brazenly telling us what they were going to do and now try to blame it on....um, antifa? BLM? They have repeatedly attacked others and blamed those others for them doing so. It's what they have always done.

The centrists will let them get away with it again because they are deluded by thinking they are dealing with reasonable people. If only they had the same energy to fight the violent right as they use to fight the progressives who just want to give people heath care, an education and a living wage.

None of this surprises me and the weak willed in the center are going to allow this country to continue to be ruled by violent bigots as long as it doesn't disturb their comfortable bubble life.

People who have been openly calling for a civil war since 2008 want us to believe they don't support this and it's not who they are. They just lost the senate in the elections and now want to denounce the failed attack pretend to be rational people and bide their time until the next time they are granted power. never again. Abolish GOP.

[Clyde_Style]

I mean you were definitely right that his attempts to overthrow the elections through the legal challenges would fall flat even at the level of the supreme court. I wasn't nearly as confident about that as you were. You've been "righter" than me. But I was in fact shouting it to the rooftops that if his legal challenges failed, he would activate his "standing by" miltias to attack, and they sure enough did. They probably aren't even done either. Remember the beer hall putsch

Yeah, Buzz was predicting this and it came true. That's what you get when you appeal to the dregs of society to rise up and they take as the gospel clarion calling them to mecca. These are savages and mostly illiterates being told to trash the country as a patriotic act.

It was a bad campaign move, but Hillary was absolutely correct. These people are the deplorables and deserve to be shunned. As we can see already happening, a whole boatload of them are going to have criminal records for what they did.

Yep, she was right. But hey check this out, sorry for linking to rupert but I can't find it anywhere else.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/texas-woman-flew-on-private-jet-to-washington-d-c-to-storm-the-capitol/

and the other articles full of "oops, I made a mistake" mea culpas. One of them is the owner of an ad agency in Chicago who was arrested. "Biggest mistake of my life". Oh really? None of these losers realized their lives would be ruined by participating in this. That's how dumb MAGA people are

[dakomish23]

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He’s far from blameless (didn’t vote to impeach), but he’s one of the few who’s been calling out the garbage from day 1 on election fraud.

The part of the party that’s more towards the middle will push him up. Expecting to see him run for something bigger in the near future. Gov of IL?

[Clyde_Style]

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CHERRY GARCIA FOR PRESIDENT!

[Oscirus]

love that all these republicans now want to unite now that they've lost power.

Oh and as predicted, the republican from west virginia is already **** **** up.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533355-manchin-shoots-down-proposed-round-of-2k-checks-absolutely-not

[HarthorneWingo]

As somebody noted elsewhere, Lindsay Graham tried to have a president removed in 1999 for having an extramarital affair. In 2021, he does not support removing a president for fomenting an armed mob to storm the capitol in what even our allies are privately terming a coup. He can sit down and enjoy a nice, steaming mug of STFU. When he's through, he can have another one.

Unfortunately, there's no healing to be had. Just look at the few representatives who have posted here. Does somebody like, say, Ball Sac seem like a remotely reasonable person, who can acknowledge that things have gone too far and that we need to start sitting down and hammering out our differences? F no. As somebody who also lurks around at toilet bowls like The Donald, I can assure you that the overwhelming sentiment is that they haven't gone nearly far enough, and will only continue to push that envelope until we end up with another OKC or worse. (Maybe now we as a collective government can finally start taking right-wing terrorism seriously, but given how badly the GOP needs those votes I'll believe it when I see it.)

These are buffoons who get whipped into a frenzy over the notions of racial equality or universal health care, or the possibility they might have to use a different pronoun in the 0.001 percent chance they ever run into a transgender person in their day-to-day, and are utterly convinced that the election was stolen on the basis of message board rumors, YouTube videos and the rantings of unhinged maniacs like Rudy Gulliani. It's pure lunacy, all the way down.

They're at war, and given all the vile sh*t that animates them to such an insane degree -- to the point that you had the son of a prominent Jewish judge rioting along anti-Semites sporting "6MWE" tees -- I'm very inclined to believe them when they tell us, over and over and over again, who they are.

The Rev. Joe Biden will save their souls. These are good people.

[Clyde_Style]

love that all these republicans now want to unite now that they've lost power.

Oh and as predicted, the republican from west virginia is already **** **** up.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533355-manchin-shoots-down-proposed-round-of-2k-checks-absolutely-not

He's a POS and is going to be a problem. I'm pretty sure in this case though you'll get one GOP Senator who wants to attach themselves to $2,000 checks to replace Manchin

[dakomish23]

love that all these republicans now want to unite now that they've lost power.

Oh and as predicted, the republican from west virginia is already **** **** up.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533355-manchin-shoots-down-proposed-round-of-2k-checks-absolutely-not

He's a POS and is going to be a problem. I'm pretty sure in this case though you'll get one GOP Senator who wants to attach themselves to $2,000 checks to replace Manchin

Stephanie Rhule (idk who that is CNN maybe) was on the pivot podcast. Someone told her Manchin would flip to Rep if Dems win in GA. She called him and asked and he’s hell no.

Not related to what you’re talking about but since we’re talking about him

[Clyde_Style]

love that all these republicans now want to unite now that they've lost power.

Oh and as predicted, the republican from west virginia is already **** **** up.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533355-manchin-shoots-down-proposed-round-of-2k-checks-absolutely-not

He's a POS and is going to be a problem. I'm pretty sure in this case though you'll get one GOP Senator who wants to attach themselves to $2,000 checks to replace Manchin

Stephanie Rhule (idk who that is CNN maybe) was on the pivot podcast. Someone told her Manchin would flip to Rep if Dems win in GA. She called him and asked and he’s hell no.

Not related to what you’re talking about but since we’re talking about him

I called him the new most powerful man in the Senate.

Two things need to happen next. Successful workarounds on the filibuster (I posted about it; it is possible) and a dominant performance in the mid-terms. I don't know who is up for re-election, but the Dems need to figure out how to short circuit the filibuster and then build a cushion in the Senate so they can operate without obstruction. They'll get stuff done this next two years, but it will still be a grind and handicapped by guys like Manchin.