PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[K_ick_God]

Superstar Ja down 30.

Ja averaged 30 points, 8 assists and almost 5 rebounds against the team with the best record, and the number 1 seed. What is it that you have against Ja? You're going to try and blame him for losing that series?

Your hatred for a rising superstar in the league is comical at this point. Don't you wish Randle or RJ would have put up those same numbers in the Knicks loss to a lower seed?

So when he’s fully risen and not just rising will his team do better?

[prophet_of_rage]

Then why give him a 5 year contract? If tanking was the goal, why not just keep Hornacek? Or just get someone like Herb Williams or Rambis to lead the tank?

Why pay a young coach $4m per year just to fire him after 1.25 seasons on a 5 year deal.

Why fire Steve Mills too? If the goal was tanking, then he did his job to perfection.

Because the fans complained loudly and chanted SELL THE TEAM!

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Lol

That's exactly what happened. Can't embarrass Dolan.

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[BugginOut]

It all depends on Embiid. If he misses more than one game, I'm picking ATL to win the series.

How atlanta gonna get off when simmons is gonna be in traes ass all game?

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

If the Hawks are so good why is it embarrassing that we lost to them?

[prophet_of_rage]

It all depends on Embiid. If he misses more than one game, I'm picking ATL to win the series.

How atlanta gonna get off when simmons is gonna be in traes ass all game?

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

This is not true. Did you watch Ben vs Washington? Trae is not faster than Westbrook. There is another level.

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[NewKnicks]

Superstar Ja down 30.

Ja averaged 30 points, 8 assists and almost 5 rebounds against the team with the best record, and the number 1 seed. What is it that you have against Ja? You're going to try and blame him for losing that series?

Your hatred for a rising superstar in the league is comical at this point. Don't you wish Randle or RJ would have put up those same numbers in the Knicks loss to a lower seed?

So when he’s fully risen and not just rising will his team do better?

What do you think? He's 21. It's dependent on the Grizzlies front office to put the right pieces in place around him. You know that, right?

[NewKnicks]

How atlanta gonna get off when simmons is gonna be in traes ass all game?

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

Finished 1 over both the bucks and nets this season for one, what have the hawks done?

Beat the Knicks. Was that an achievement or not?

We'll see what happens. You can stick with your opinion, I'll stick with mine.

[NewKnicks]

You can argue Thibs was outcoached in this series, and I can't argue, BUT it's much easier to coach when you have the more talented team. The knicks got to 41 wins on heart, hustle, defense, cohesion, but not talent. In the playoffs it's always about talent..the only thing the playoffs made clear was how much more talent the knicks must bring in..with that said, the culture which had been stressed for so many years, has finally changed, the knicks are no longer the laughing stock. They have so much going for them right now, that it's hard for me to hear any knicks fan complaining. Besides establishing a culture change, but are armed and ready to bolster the talent this summer. Reaching the playoffs should no longer be the goal, but having a team able to win in the playoffs is the next step. Just that alone is incredible considering where the knicks have been for so long. It's a disappointing end to the season, but only a bright future ahead

I hate to say this, but it's back to LOL Knicks again. Outside of NY, everyone is laughing at the fake season we had, and that we have below average players filling up our roster. They're also laughing at the worst playoff performance since the shot clock era.

If I was a player who was considering the Knicks before the playoffs, I might have changed my mind after seeing that.

But, it is what it is. We're stuck with Randle. Now would be the worst time to trade him anyway, because of how much his stock probably has dropped after that series. And it was all 5 games. All 5. Who could have predicted that?? A choke job of unimaginable proportions.

Worst playoff performance since the shot clock error? There have been so many sweeps... how can you say those are better playoff performances than a 4-1 loss?

And outside of NY, its consistently been "LOL Knicks" even before this playoff so, not sure why that would change. I'm pretty sure even if we beat the Hawks and then got swept by the 6ers, it would have still been LOL Knicks. Who is this fake NY fan? Why in the world would a Chicagoan be a Knicks fan?

Another poster questioning my fandom because I don't scream Go NY Go NY Go!! after being eliminated in devastating fashion to a lower seed than us.

[NewKnicks]

Beal seems like the guy they will try to get especially with the WWW connection

You might be right, but the problem with that is he's not coming cheap. With the going rate for stars, we'll be emptying the roster and future draft picks to get him.

I don't have the answers so maybe a Beal/Randle tandem is a good start. And you can say goodbye to RJ too in that deal.

Beal shot 21% (7-32) from 3 in 5 games against Philly btw. As bad as Randle was and as much **** as he’s getting he shot 11-33 (33%) in the playoffs. I don’t want to give anything for Beal. Not even RJ lol

I don't want him either, just stating what it will cost.

[NewKnicks]

Superstar Ja down 30.

Ja averaged 30 points, 8 assists and almost 5 rebounds against the team with the best record, and the number 1 seed. What is it that you have against Ja? You're going to try and blame him for losing that series?

Your hatred for a rising superstar in the league is comical at this point. Don't you wish Randle or RJ would have put up those same numbers in the Knicks loss to a lower seed?

So when he’s fully risen and not just rising will his team do better?

And what does 'fully risen' mean exactly? You're obviously not impressed with 30/8/5, so not sure what you'll be impressed with.

You're literally the only person I see out there trying to tear him down after his performance in the playoffs. At the same time, you would kill to have him on our team. I don't even know why I keep responding to you.

You make statements like "Ja is too small and thin. Small point guards are so overrated." Yet you slurp all over Trae in the same threads. You don't make any sense.

[NewKnicks]

How atlanta gonna get off when simmons is gonna be in traes ass all game?

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

If the Hawks are so good why is it embarrassing that we lost to them?

Great question.

I never said they were 'so good'. I simply stated that I'm impressed with their youth, shooting ability, and of course Trae Young. And without Embiid (6ers biggest star by FAR), the Hawks might have a chance.

I'll say it again to keep it on record: If Embiid misses more than one game, I'm taking the Hawks to pull the upset.

[prophet_of_rage]

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

If the Hawks are so good why is it embarrassing that we lost to them?

Great question.

I never said they were 'so good'. I simply stated that I'm impressed with their youth, shooting ability, and of course Trae Young. And without Embiid (6ers biggest star by FAR), the Hawks might have a chance.

I'll say it again to keep it on record: If Embiid misses more than one game, I'm taking the Hawks to pull the upset.

The Hawks are better and more talented. The 4-5 matchup is pick em.

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[K_ick_God]

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

If the Hawks are so good why is it embarrassing that we lost to them?

Great question.

I never said they were 'so good'. I simply stated that I'm impressed with their youth, shooting ability, and of course Trae Young. And without Embiid (6ers biggest star by FAR), the Hawks might have a chance.

I'll say it again to keep it on record: If Embiid misses more than one game, I'm taking the Hawks to pull the upset.

Oh great more predictions and pronouncements from NewNostradamus. Sure his predictions have been checkered and off the mark going on 10 years under 4 different usernames, but that won't stop him. He's still got more to say and everybody needs to listen up

[K_ick_God]

Ja averaged 30 points, 8 assists and almost 5 rebounds against the team with the best record, and the number 1 seed. What is it that you have against Ja? You're going to try and blame him for losing that series?

Your hatred for a rising superstar in the league is comical at this point. Don't you wish Randle or RJ would have put up those same numbers in the Knicks loss to a lower seed?

So when he’s fully risen and not just rising will his team do better?

And what does 'fully risen' mean exactly? You're obviously not impressed with 30/8/5, so not sure what you'll be impressed with.

You're literally the only person I see out there trying to tear him down after his performance in the playoffs. At the same time, you would kill to have him on our team. I don't even know why I keep responding to you.

You make statements like "Ja is too small and thin. Small point guards are so overrated." Yet you slurp all over Trae in the same threads. You don't make any sense.

Yeah he had 17 turnovers and shot 25% from 3 against Utah despite the big scoring numbers, while his team got trounced every game. And he's actually only a year younger than Trae who is pretty far ahead of him. The chances of him ever being as good as Trae are low, and the chances of Trae ever winning a title are highly unclear.

I don't even hear anybody calling Trae some superstar, it's just a word you're tossing around to put perfume on your history of questionable T-Will-like predictions that you think are really good but end up fizzling.

[HarthorneWingo]

How atlanta gonna get off when simmons is gonna be in traes ass all game?

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

If the Hawks are so good why is it embarrassing that we lost to them?

I don’t think we knew the Hawks were this good going into the series. Their defense exposed us.

[prophet_of_rage]

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

If the Hawks are so good why is it embarrassing that we lost to them?

I don’t think we knew the Hawks were this good going into the series. Their defense exposed us.

I knew they were this good. I was always worried about their rebounding and Hunter on Randle.

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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

If the Hawks are so good why is it embarrassing that we lost to them?

I don’t think we knew the Hawks were this good going into the series. Their defense exposed us.

Their defence is on Nate. Good for him. The fact that Thibs couldn't combat the relatively simply team D the Hawks played against Randle (and RJ) over 5 games in 12 days is 80%+ on Thibs. (I'll leave an overestimated 20% for Randle - harsh on RJ.) Maybe he was talking in interviews and recorded time-outs about moving the ball more and taking shots in the moment, but he couldn't communicate a strategy (or even tactics) to the team. Sad.

Randle, RJ and Rose all played far too many minutes in season and in the off season. IQ, Obi and Frank far too few.

Obviously the failure to grasp the nettle with Payton in early March, and then, again, once Rose was playing more than 50% of the PG minutes, was one of the key mistakes Thibs made.

[Adelheid]

If the Hawks are so good why is it embarrassing that we lost to them?

I don’t think we knew the Hawks were this good going into the series. Their defense exposed us.

Their defence is on Nate. Good for him. The fact that Thibs couldn't combat the relatively simply team D the Hawks played against Randle (and RJ) over 5 games in 12 days is 80%+ on Thibs. (I'll leave an overestimated 20% for Randle - harsh on RJ.) Maybe he was talking in interviews and recorded time-outs about moving the ball more and taking shots in the moment, but he couldn't communicate a strategy (or even tactics) to the team. Sad.

Randle, RJ and Rose all played far too many minutes in season and in the off season. IQ, Obi and Frank far too few.

Obviously the failure to grasp the nettle with Payton in early March, and then, again, once Rose was playing more than 50% of the PG minutes, was one of the key mistakes Thibs made.

Tom and the coaching staff deserve some of the blame for not gameplanning but we also have to consider that the Knicks dont have a proper pg which is essentially half the battle.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I don’t think we knew the Hawks were this good going into the series. Their defense exposed us.

Their defence is on Nate. Good for him. The fact that Thibs couldn't combat the relatively simply team D the Hawks played against Randle (and RJ) over 5 games in 12 days is 80%+ on Thibs. (I'll leave an overestimated 20% for Randle - harsh on RJ.) Maybe he was talking in interviews and recorded time-outs about moving the ball more and taking shots in the moment, but he couldn't communicate a strategy (or even tactics) to the team. Sad.

Randle, RJ and Rose all played far too many minutes in season and in the off season. IQ, Obi and Frank far too few.

Obviously the failure to grasp the nettle with Payton in early March, and then, again, once Rose was playing more than 50% of the PG minutes, was one of the key mistakes Thibs made.

Tom and the coaching staff deserve some of the blame for not gameplanning but we also have to consider that the Knicks dont have a proper pg which is essentially half the battle.

I can't really agree with the latter point. They have Rose (or had him for the second half of the year). He's great. He turned a 17-20 team into a 24-11 team. That is pretty stunning. But he couldn't really sustain more than 30? or 32? minutes per game.

It's just they used Payton for far too long in the PG minutes and left themselves unprepared for what would happen when they (inevitably) had to remove him in the playoffs.

So ... my view is that, particularly if planning for Trae, then Frank should be taking most of those 48 - 34? = 14 minutes. But, ok, give them to IQ if you like instead, or whatever. But, ... <sound of silence> ... Thibs and his staff did nothing.

Sure, you could complain that the Knicks needed more PG help at the deadline than Rose alone. But it didn't happen.

If you are desperate, why not get Vildoza available to play? Again, lack of recognition that EP needed to be cut from the active roster presumably prevented the Knicks accelerating that as a possibility.


Look. Thibs (and his staff - when I talk about Thibs I'm talking about him and his team) did some great things. They had everyone apart from Payton play excellent individual D (in comparison to their base level). And in the regular season had very good team D organization. (Sadly in the Hawks series this wasn't the case - due to defective schemes.) And overall they handled Obi decently - I think he should have had about 50% minute more throughout, ... but ... meh ..w/e. And that's it.

[louisorr]

one thing that stood out to me was the Hawks seemed to be able to crash the offensive glass AND get back in time to limit transition offense. while we backpedaled immediately after every shot, never going after offensive boards. that bothered me especially considering 4 or 5 extra possessions a game especially when many shots are threes are probably worth more points than 4 or 5 runouts.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

one thing that stood out to me was the Hawks seemed to be able to crash the offensive glass AND get back in time to limit transition offense. while we backpedaled immediately after every shot, never going after offensive boards. that bothered me especially considering 4 or 5 extra possessions a game especially when many shots are threes are probably worth more points than 4 or 5 runouts.

The Knicks had 59 Offensive rebounds, the Hawks 40 Offensive rebounds over the series. I didn't look at the percentages - maybe the Knicks missed many more shots. But it's probably an illusion to think the Hawks did better on the O-boards than the Knicks?