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Post#1041 » by Juco24 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:08 pm

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DaGawd wrote:I think he makes us better much better because he brings us that shot creating guard we absolutely lack. He’s a “point guard” in the mold of one that our coach salivates for. Would you call Chicago MVP Rose a true set the table type point guard?


He's a SG in a PG body and one who doesn't shoot well. Garland was the starting PG as Cleveland moved Sexton to SG. And he's a guy who likes to dribble until he finds an opening. How does that mesh with Randle? And absolutely not to answer your question... but would you say that Sexton could carry MVP Rose's jockstraps?

What numbers are you looking at that says Collin doesn’t shoot well?? I’m confused every time you say this because he’s actually a damn good shooter


Pardon me... I should have said doesn't shoot the three well. I noticed you didn't answer the Rose question.
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Post#1042 » by DaGawd » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:11 pm

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He's a SG in a PG body and one who doesn't shoot well. Garland was the starting PG as Cleveland moved Sexton to SG. And he's a guy who likes to dribble until he finds an opening. How does that mesh with Randle? And absolutely not to answer your question... but would you say that Sexton could carry MVP Rose's jockstraps?

What numbers are you looking at that says Collin doesn’t shoot well?? I’m confused every time you say this because he’s actually a damn good shooter


Pardon me... I should have said doesn't shoot the three well. I noticed you didn't answer the Rose question.

37% from 3 is right around or above league average no? I’m not sure what you’re looking at.. and honestly I think Sexton could of surrounded by the right pieces like Rose was. Rose is widely considered one of the worse MVPs now in hindsight. Bron probably should’ve won it
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1043 » by DOT » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:13 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Wish they made the deal official already
The fact it hasn't happened makes me think it's not the package we think it is

Either we're gonna have to give up more to get him, or we have to take Love back too

Or it's all made up, which is pretty likely imo.

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Post#1044 » by Juco24 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:15 pm

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DaGawd wrote:What numbers are you looking at that says Collin doesn’t shoot well?? I’m confused every time you say this because he’s actually a damn good shooter


Pardon me... I should have said doesn't shoot the three well. I noticed you didn't answer the Rose question.

37% from 3 is right around or above league average no? I’m not sure what you’re looking at.. and honestly I think Sexton could of surrounded by the right pieces like Rose was. Rose is widely considered one of the worse MVPs now in hindsight. Bron probably should’ve won it


Average, yes! Good? No! And if you're saying Sexton is anywhere close to the MVP level DRose... yeah okay.
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Post#1045 » by SelbyCobra » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:17 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Wish they made the deal official already


Meanwhile, in Cleveland media today...

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/07/collin-sexton-trade-a-possibility-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers-its-complicated.html

The Cavs still like Sexton and believe in him. Sources say they’ve put a hefty price tag on him, which could make a deal challenging, and The Athletic identified the New York Knicks as the “most aggressive” trade suitor on Tuesday. The New York Post confirmed Sexton as a player on the Knicks’ radar, even saying he would’ve been their draft pick three years ago had Cleveland not nabbed him one slot earlier.

Cleveland and New York have discussed possibilities, sources say, and it’s an obvious potential trade destination. The Knicks are one of many teams monitoring the situation.

A surprising playoff party crasher this past season, the Knicks ranked 22nd in offensive efficiency during the regular season -- and those struggles became their undoing in the postseason, ranking second-last among 16 qualifiers. Sexton would give them a needed shot-creator, someone to take pressure off Most Improved Player Julius Randle, especially with guards Elfrid Payton, Derrick Rose, Frank Ntilikina and Alec Burks headed for free agency.

Sexton is a client of CAA, the agency that Knicks president Leon Rose ran until last season, and is also well-known by former Cavaliers executive Brock Aller, who was in Cleveland when decision-makers fell in love with Sexton following an eye-popping pre-draft workout.

But what kind of package could New York assemble?

The Cavs were smitten with RJ Barrett ahead of the 2019 draft. They even tried trading up a few spots, sources say. Barrett is reportedly not viewed as untouchable, considered a potential trade centerpiece if the Knicks go star hunting. Coming off a strong sophomore season in which the 21-year-old averaged 17.6 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 3.8 assists while hitting 40.1% from 3-point range and started all 72 games, it’s hard to see the Knicks parting with him for Sexton -- and then agreeing to give Sexton a massive contract.

Power forward Obi Toppin, a player Cleveland considered at No. 5 before choosing Isaac Okoro in the draft last November, doesn’t make much sense for a team that already has more than $40 million invested in Larry Nance Jr. and Kevin Love and could be adding Evan Mobley with the third pick in a few weeks. The Knicks do have a pair of 2021 first-rounders (Nos. 19 and 21), but those are sweeteners as opposed to headliners of a deal. So, who else? Reclamation project Knox? Even packaging all three together would give the Cavs essentially a trio of backups for Sexton.

Think about it more and the Knicks don’t make for the ideal trade partner.
Unless Barrett is involved, sending Sexton to New York would be Cleveland making a lateral move -- or perhaps taking a step backward.
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Post#1046 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:22 pm

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DaGawd wrote:I think he makes us better much better because he brings us that shot creating guard we absolutely lack. He’s a “point guard” in the mold of one that our coach salivates for. Would you call Chicago MVP Rose a true set the table type point guard?


He's a SG in a PG body and one who doesn't shoot well. Garland was the starting PG as Cleveland moved Sexton to SG. And he's a guy who likes to dribble until he finds an opening. How does that mesh with Randle? And absolutely not to answer your question... but would you say that Sexton could carry MVP Rose's jockstraps?


sexton is more like a souped up younger version of current rose. i guess no rose if this happens. it'll be him and luca at point.


Sexton 29 mpg/Rose 19 mpg

Luca will get backup minutes at the wing.


I mean, I think he's decent, but everyone assumes he's Manu Ginobili, while he's probably Carlos Delfino.

Or Argentinian Austin. :D
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Post#1047 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:23 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Wish they made the deal official already


Meanwhile, in Cleveland media today...

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/07/collin-sexton-trade-a-possibility-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers-its-complicated.html

The Cavs still like Sexton and believe in him. Sources say they’ve put a hefty price tag on him, which could make a deal challenging, and The Athletic identified the New York Knicks as the “most aggressive” trade suitor on Tuesday. The New York Post confirmed Sexton as a player on the Knicks’ radar, even saying he would’ve been their draft pick three years ago had Cleveland not nabbed him one slot earlier.

Cleveland and New York have discussed possibilities, sources say, and it’s an obvious potential trade destination. The Knicks are one of many teams monitoring the situation.

A surprising playoff party crasher this past season, the Knicks ranked 22nd in offensive efficiency during the regular season -- and those struggles became their undoing in the postseason, ranking second-last among 16 qualifiers. Sexton would give them a needed shot-creator, someone to take pressure off Most Improved Player Julius Randle, especially with guards Elfrid Payton, Derrick Rose, Frank Ntilikina and Alec Burks headed for free agency.

Sexton is a client of CAA, the agency that Knicks president Leon Rose ran until last season, and is also well-known by former Cavaliers executive Brock Aller, who was in Cleveland when decision-makers fell in love with Sexton following an eye-popping pre-draft workout.

But what kind of package could New York assemble?

The Cavs were smitten with RJ Barrett ahead of the 2019 draft. They even tried trading up a few spots, sources say. Barrett is reportedly not viewed as untouchable, considered a potential trade centerpiece if the Knicks go star hunting. Coming off a strong sophomore season in which the 21-year-old averaged 17.6 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 3.8 assists while hitting 40.1% from 3-point range and started all 72 games, it’s hard to see the Knicks parting with him for Sexton -- and then agreeing to give Sexton a massive contract.

Power forward Obi Toppin, a player Cleveland considered at No. 5 before choosing Isaac Okoro in the draft last November, doesn’t make much sense for a team that already has more than $40 million invested in Larry Nance Jr. and Kevin Love and could be adding Evan Mobley with the third pick in a few weeks. The Knicks do have a pair of 2021 first-rounders (Nos. 19 and 21), but those are sweeteners as opposed to headliners of a deal. So, who else? Reclamation project Knox? Even packaging all three together would give the Cavs essentially a trio of backups for Sexton.

Think about it more and the Knicks don’t make for the ideal trade partner.
Unless Barrett is involved, sending Sexton to New York would be Cleveland making a lateral move -- or perhaps taking a step backward.

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Post#1048 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:23 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Wish they made the deal official already
The fact it hasn't happened makes me think it's not the package we think it is

Either we're gonna have to give up more to get him, or we have to take Love back too

Or it's all made up, which is pretty likely imo.

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Post#1049 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:24 pm

Man, f*ck this rat tail midget.

Just practicing for when the deal doesn't happen.
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Post#1050 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:25 pm

We all just have to acknowledge that Clyde and Red Holzman made a deal with the Devil for those two championships and part of the bargain was the Knicks would never have any great guards again.
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Post#1051 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:27 pm

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Post#1052 » by prophet_of_rage » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:28 pm

DowNY wrote:Unlike the Lin situation, next year we can tell Sexton to wait on signing any offer sheet to sign a big name like Beal or LaVine into our cap space first
If that is the case then go for it. If it isn't I would rather keep the draft picks and nail them.

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Post#1053 » by DaGawd » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:29 pm

Rose and Mills really fk’d us with the Knox and Obi picks smh
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Post#1054 » by DowNY » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:29 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Wish they made the deal official already


Meanwhile, in Cleveland media today...

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/07/collin-sexton-trade-a-possibility-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers-its-complicated.html

The Cavs still like Sexton and believe in him. Sources say they’ve put a hefty price tag on him, which could make a deal challenging, and The Athletic identified the New York Knicks as the “most aggressive” trade suitor on Tuesday. The New York Post confirmed Sexton as a player on the Knicks’ radar, even saying he would’ve been their draft pick three years ago had Cleveland not nabbed him one slot earlier.

Cleveland and New York have discussed possibilities, sources say, and it’s an obvious potential trade destination. The Knicks are one of many teams monitoring the situation.

A surprising playoff party crasher this past season, the Knicks ranked 22nd in offensive efficiency during the regular season -- and those struggles became their undoing in the postseason, ranking second-last among 16 qualifiers. Sexton would give them a needed shot-creator, someone to take pressure off Most Improved Player Julius Randle, especially with guards Elfrid Payton, Derrick Rose, Frank Ntilikina and Alec Burks headed for free agency.

Sexton is a client of CAA, the agency that Knicks president Leon Rose ran until last season, and is also well-known by former Cavaliers executive Brock Aller, who was in Cleveland when decision-makers fell in love with Sexton following an eye-popping pre-draft workout.

But what kind of package could New York assemble?

The Cavs were smitten with RJ Barrett ahead of the 2019 draft. They even tried trading up a few spots, sources say. Barrett is reportedly not viewed as untouchable, considered a potential trade centerpiece if the Knicks go star hunting. Coming off a strong sophomore season in which the 21-year-old averaged 17.6 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 3.8 assists while hitting 40.1% from 3-point range and started all 72 games, it’s hard to see the Knicks parting with him for Sexton -- and then agreeing to give Sexton a massive contract.

Power forward Obi Toppin, a player Cleveland considered at No. 5 before choosing Isaac Okoro in the draft last November, doesn’t make much sense for a team that already has more than $40 million invested in Larry Nance Jr. and Kevin Love and could be adding Evan Mobley with the third pick in a few weeks. The Knicks do have a pair of 2021 first-rounders (Nos. 19 and 21), but those are sweeteners as opposed to headliners of a deal. So, who else? Reclamation project Knox? Even packaging all three together would give the Cavs essentially a trio of backups for Sexton.

Think about it more and the Knicks don’t make for the ideal trade partner.
Unless Barrett is involved, sending Sexton to New York would be Cleveland making a lateral move -- or perhaps taking a step backward.

Poor guys don’t realize the Cavs are not dealing from a position of power
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Post#1055 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:31 pm

DaGawd wrote:Rose and Mills really fk’d us with the Knox and Obi picks smh


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Post#1056 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:31 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:We all just have to acknowledge that Clyde and Red Holzman made a deal with the Devil for those two championships and part of the bargain was the Knicks would never have any great guards again.


but rj is better than kobe at this age. speaking of, was my guy banned already ? :lol:

edit - i see. he's still creating terrible threads so no. :lol:
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Post#1057 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:33 pm

god shammgod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:We all just have to acknowledge that Clyde and Red Holzman made a deal with the Devil for those two championships and part of the bargain was the Knicks would never have any great guards again.


but rj is better than kobe at this age. speaking of, was my guy banned already ? :lol:


Not sure, if so, he slipped in a Duncan Robinson topic beforehand. :D
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Post#1058 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:33 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Man, f*ck this rat tail midget.

Just practicing for when the deal doesn't happen.

It sounded too good to be true. The deal was highway robbery
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Post#1059 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:33 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Rather keep Obi at almost all costs. Don't @ me but I think I rather keep Obi over RJ perhaps, or at least similar. Quick and Mitch next and all basically tied for keepable. Rest can go.


Wait what?! RJ's first year you can see there's something. Obi hasn't done much except for a few minutes of high flying.


Yeah but I thought what he showed late was very significant. RJ is going to be a good NBA player, a winner, but generally agree with those who see his ceiling as a little lower. Although I still think they're undervaluing the winner part.

I thought Obi showed some stuff that was special. He's closer to Mitch than we all wanted to believe early on. D not there yet but he's that kind of player and he showed some good D too.

Also there's obviously a difference in their trade values.
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Post#1060 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:34 pm

god shammgod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:We all just have to acknowledge that Clyde and Red Holzman made a deal with the Devil for those two championships and part of the bargain was the Knicks would never have any great guards again.


but rj is better than kobe at this age. speaking of, was my guy banned already ? :lol:

edit - i see. he's still creating terrible threads so no. :lol:

He has taken his talents to the GB and let’s say they haven’t been so welcome to him because of his homer takes :lol:
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