Around the NBA - the sharp end of the playoffs - Randle snubbed for All NBA

[Chanel Bomber]

I think LeBron was going to play with Wade no matter what, and the Heat were the franchise with the most capspace, and Wade.

But I wonder if we wouldn't be looking back at D'Antoni having a 8-year run in New York as opposed to the disappointment his tenure turned out to be.

The 2010-11 Knicks with a young Steph and prime Amar'e running PNR would have been fun to watch, and dynamic offensively.

The pessimist would argue that Curry might have gotten traded for McGrady to clear capspace. I don't think that FO would've seen him as an expandable piece like Jordan Hill was, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

He refused to work out for GS because he wanted the Knicks. Oh well.

the steph-curry-one-pick-before-us is the biggest what if and biggest setback in franchise history. no doubt. not even close imo.

There’s no reason this team shouldn’t have like 15 chip banners hanging from the rafters.we could have had Kareem and drj at the same time, all the while we still had Willis and Clyde. They just consistently hedge on their bets and when they don’t they make terrible decisions.

The Knicks could've had the rights to Bill Russell for only $15K back in the day if I remember correctly. The Knicks' owner at the time wasn't convinced, and then Auerbach entered the picture and traded for him.

The Dr. J thing was a fiasco.

[Clyde_Style]

KD is dumb

He is a follower, not a leader. His mother tells him what to do and Flatso (Kyrie) also tells him what to do. He is not strong minded and can't assess situations well, on his own. Just compare how Giannis, Lebron, Steph, Tatum, and others help their teams to do better and make great in-game and long-term decisions. Look how badly KD does at that. In fact, he still believes he can be the reason a team wins the chip. Na ah.

Of course, he's an extremely talented player, but as Galvation said, he's dumb.

+1 for Flatso

[Chanel Bomber]

It starts with the coach regardless. This is also not a good teams cause Thibs is not fit for the modern NBA. I wouldnt care if the team was lacking in talent but still a smart team.... But we not.


There are plenty of teams that lack talent but play with a plan....we dont. So it dont matter what the talent level is when you out there letting Randle be your PG as the coach and give him free reign. Udoka would have chopped his head off for teh way he plays.


Udoka, Dude is no Joke. He puts the fear of God in his players you can tell, but he is a great teacher in the same breath. Thibs doesnt have that effect on this team.

Remember alot of this roster construction is BECAUSE of our Coach as well.

I think talent is far more of a difference-maker than coaching. Coaching is a ceiling raiser in my opinion (especially in the playoffs), moreso than a floor raiser (unless your coach is so far ahead of his time e.g. D'Antoni turning the Suns and Rockets into contenders).

Thibs helped the freaking Knicks make the playoffs just a year ago as the 4th seed in the East. Does that mean he's a good coach? Probably not. But let's not act like the man can't coach at all in today's NBA.

Randle was the best playmaker in the Knicks' starting line-up last year. Second-best on the team behind Rose. Rose was hurt all season long this year. Kemba was unplayable because of his defense. Randle was de facto the best playmaker remaining on the team. He sucked, he was awful, he was a disgrace, all of those things might be true, but the fact is Thibs didn't really have any reliable alternatives. Again, Randle was elevated as his franchise through his contract extension, and he had helped him reach the playoffs primarily through his playmaking. I don't think it's fair to expect Thibs to give up on Randle so fast.

Everybody here would be complaining about Udoka if he inherited this roster and predictably failed to make the playoffs. And unfairly so.

Brooklyn Nets say "hello".

I think coaching is more important, because coaches can contribute to making players, and teams, grow and develop...but players can't do much to make a coach(especially stubborn ones) become better at the nuances of coaching.

Well we disagree then.

Coaching makes a difference, particularly in the playoffs. But Greg Poppovich hasn't made the playoffs in three years not because he's not a great coach, but because his teams have lacked talent. You don't win in the NBA without talent. It drives success far more than coaching (in my opinion).

The Nets didn't have their full squad for most of the season, which in my opinion explains why they played a Finals team (presumably) and got bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

[Clyde_Style]

Just want to point out that if Donnie Walsh had had the balls to trade up for Steph, LeBron would have signed with the Knicks and the Knicks would have been on their way to hang their 11th straight banner.

Good night!

I think LeBron was going to play with Wade no matter what, and the Heat were the franchise with the most capspace, and Wade.

But I wonder if we wouldn't be looking back at D'Antoni having a 8-year run in New York as opposed to the disappointment his tenure turned out to be.

The 2010-11 Knicks with a young Steph and prime Amar'e running PNR would have been fun to watch, and dynamic offensively.

The pessimist would argue that Curry might have gotten traded for McGrady to clear capspace. I don't think that FO would've seen him as an expandable piece like Jordan Hill was, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

He refused to work out for GS because he wanted the Knicks. Oh well.

the steph-curry-one-pick-before-us is the biggest what if and biggest setback in franchise history. no doubt. not even close imo.

If we’d drafted Steph he would have come off the bench as Felton’s backup

[knicksNOTslick]

I think LeBron was going to play with Wade no matter what, and the Heat were the franchise with the most capspace, and Wade.

But I wonder if we wouldn't be looking back at D'Antoni having a 8-year run in New York as opposed to the disappointment his tenure turned out to be.

The 2010-11 Knicks with a young Steph and prime Amar'e running PNR would have been fun to watch, and dynamic offensively.

The pessimist would argue that Curry might have gotten traded for McGrady to clear capspace. I don't think that FO would've seen him as an expandable piece like Jordan Hill was, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

He refused to work out for GS because he wanted the Knicks. Oh well.

the steph-curry-one-pick-before-us is the biggest what if and biggest setback in franchise history. no doubt. not even close imo.

If we’d drafted Steph he would have come off the bench as Felton’s backup

This is not true. We had Mike Dantoni as coach. They already had Steph penciled in as our savior at PG. D'Antoni was gon a ride him like Secretariat pre-Jeremy Lin. Donnie Walsh and management weren't even quiet about it as everyone thought he would fall to us and we would draft him. Knicks were caught off guard because Steph refused a workout with the Warriors and Nelson still drafted him.

It's because we're the Knicks. We don't secure our picks because we are blind to other FO's moves and are left dumbfounded how we failed year in, year out.

I will say this though, had we gotten Curry, the moment Steph struggled his first year and had imjury troubles, we would've traded him for a chance at 2 Max Cats in 2010.

[Chanel Bomber]

the steph-curry-one-pick-before-us is the biggest what if and biggest setback in franchise history. no doubt. not even close imo.

If we’d drafted Steph he would have come off the bench as Felton’s backup

This is not true. We had Mike Dantoni as coach. They already had Steph penciled in as our savior at PG. D'Antoni was gon a ride him like Secretariat pre-Jeremy Lin. Donnie Walsh and management weren't even quiet about it as everyone thought he would fall to us and we would draft him. Knicks were caught off guard because Steph refused a workout with the Warriors and Nelson still drafted him.

It's because we're the Knicks. We don't secure our picks because we are blind to other FO's moves and are left dumbfounded how we failed year in, year out.

I will say this though, had we gotten Curry, the moment Steph struggled his first year and had imjury troubles, we would've traded him for a chance at 2 Max Cats in 2010.

As I have said a couple times, I think from that perspective and in a strange way missing out on Curry was arguably the best thing to happen to this franchise.

Because I don't know if the Knicks franchise could have recovered from the embarrassment of watching Curry become one of the greatest players the sport has ever produced for another team after trading him. It would have been absolutely devastating, on a level that even the end of Linsanity and the 2019 offseason (a crushing blow itself) don't compare to.

I do think Walsh would've probably traded Wilson Chandler ahead of Curry for capspace, since he was an Isiah Thomas pick. The question to me is whether the Knicks would've traded Steph for Melo.

Looking at the game logs, Curry only really missed time in 2011-12 though. It's less than I remembered.

[Marty McFly]

the steph-curry-one-pick-before-us is the biggest what if and biggest setback in franchise history. no doubt. not even close imo.

If we’d drafted Steph he would have come off the bench as Felton’s backup

This is not true. We had Mike Dantoni as coach. They already had Steph penciled in as our savior at PG. D'Antoni was gon a ride him like Secretariat pre-Jeremy Lin. Donnie Walsh and management weren't even quiet about it as everyone thought he would fall to us and we would draft him. Knicks were caught off guard because Steph refused a workout with the Warriors and Nelson still drafted him.

It's because we're the Knicks. We don't secure our picks because we are blind to other FO's moves and are left dumbfounded how we failed year in, year out.

I will say this though, had we gotten Curry, the moment Steph struggled his first year and had imjury troubles, we would've traded him for a chance at 2 Max Cats in 2010.

Don Nelson was also famous for a fast offense - Nellieball - which he actually tried to run with the knicks after Riley left, and was fired for. So, if you're keeping score, Donnie Walsh didn't think Don Nelson's Warriors would draft a guy who fit their offense as well, so he balked at moving up for one of the Wolves (who were ran by David Kahn a supposed acolyte of Walsh's) of picks.


As far as trading Steph, I don't know that that would have sat right with D'Antoni.

[Clyde_Style]

the steph-curry-one-pick-before-us is the biggest what if and biggest setback in franchise history. no doubt. not even close imo.

If we’d drafted Steph he would have come off the bench as Felton’s backup

This is not true. We had Mike Dantoni as coach. They already had Steph penciled in as our savior at PG. D'Antoni was gon a ride him like Secretariat pre-Jeremy Lin. Donnie Walsh and management weren't even quiet about it as everyone thought he would fall to us and we would draft him. Knicks were caught off guard because Steph refused a workout with the Warriors and Nelson still drafted him.

It's because we're the Knicks. We don't secure our picks because we are blind to other FO's moves and are left dumbfounded how we failed year in, year out.

I will say this though, had we gotten Curry, the moment Steph struggled his first year and had imjury troubles, we would've traded him for a chance at 2 Max Cats in 2010.

Hey, I was just acting as a proxy for CGMW with an arbitrary example of how the Knicks would have found some way to fck up even Steph Curry

[Chanel Bomber]

Jimmy "doesn't fit the Knicks' timeline" Butler

[GettinitDone]

Randle's playmaking could help the Heat's offense.

[3toheadmelo]

Tatum so good

[3toheadmelo]

rooting for the heat to win so i can go to the game on sunday but tatum looks like he wants to end it tonight

[Chanel Bomber]

Tatum so good

Two sick plays in a row.

The talent deficit between the two teams is glaring with Herro out.

I hate Oladipo's game.

[GettinitDone]

What I remember most about Darvin Ham was he competed in 97 Dunk Contest in Cleveland when my fave player then rookie Kobe won.

[Chanel Bomber]

What I remember most about Darvin Ham was he competed in 97 Dunk Contest in Cleveland when my fave player then rookie Kobe won.

I remember his sick buzzer beater in Milwaukee.

[3toheadmelo]

Tatum so good

Two sick plays in a row.

The talent deficit between the two teams is glaring with Herro out.

I hate Oladipo's game.

i hope you're ready for this

[Chanel Bomber]

Tatum so good

Two sick plays in a row.

The talent deficit between the two teams is glaring with Herro out.

I hate Oladipo's game.

i hope you're ready for this

Spoiler:

I'm not going to say it.

[Chanel Bomber]

Tatum going crazy with the spin move.

[3toheadmelo]

Two sick plays in a row.

The talent deficit between the two teams is glaring with Herro out.

I hate Oladipo's game.

i hope you're ready for this

Spoiler:

You're a terrible person.

well i said it for you

[GettinitDone]

That's how you slap someone around your back and the victims don't think you did it on purpose lol Tucker 10/10