Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[aggo]

This is why I’m ok with Obi going out in the trade. He’s a nice player as an energy big and pressuring the defense by getting out in the break. In half court play that comes more into focus for playoffs he’s not nearly as good because he can’t shoot. I don’t have faith in him becoming a good shooter because his form and shooting motion needs a complete rebuild- at least it’s better than DSJ

The NBA Champion Warriors starting PF is a poor shooter. But what he does well lets the team be a team while having an overwhelmingly positive impact.

Obi performed with poise against the ECF buzz saw Hawks that exposed and neutered "good shooter" Randle. He finished a +4. What Obi brings to the team is overwhelmingly positive despite how you feel. There's this team concept that some of you cannot grasp.

Obi's per 36 in the playoffs, as always, checked out. He was a net positive, as usual. His % were good. Thibs should have played him more. Y'all give Obi the Blazers Jermaine O'neal treatment squarely because he's buried behind vets. Just give the guy a freaking chance.

he looked mid yesterday. and don’t compare Obi to Draymond green ever again

remember when that one dude here said that Kevin Knox reminded him of Scottie Pippen

[Iron Mantis]

This is why I’m ok with Obi going out in the trade. He’s a nice player as an energy big and pressuring the defense by getting out in the break. In half court play that comes more into focus for playoffs he’s not nearly as good because he can’t shoot. I don’t have faith in him becoming a good shooter because his form and shooting motion needs a complete rebuild- at least it’s better than DSJ

The NBA Champion Warriors starting PF is a poor shooter. But what he does well lets the team be a team while having an overwhelmingly positive impact.

Obi performed with poise against the ECF buzz saw Hawks that exposed and neutered "good shooter" Randle. He finished a +4. What Obi brings to the team is overwhelmingly positive despite how you feel. There's this team concept that some of you cannot grasp.

Obi's per 36 in the playoffs, as always, checked out. He was a net positive, as usual. His % were good. Thibs should have played him more. Y'all give Obi the Blazers Jermaine O'neal treatment squarely because he's buried behind vets. Just give the guy a freaking chance.

he looked mid yesterday. and don’t compare Obi to Draymond green ever again

Stop it.

You know good and well the only reason I mentioned Draymond was to shut down the idea that the PF must be a "good shooter".

[Iron Mantis]

The NBA Champion Warriors starting PF is a poor shooter. But what he does well lets the team be a team while having an overwhelmingly positive impact.

Obi performed with poise against the ECF buzz saw Hawks that exposed and neutered "good shooter" Randle. He finished a +4. What Obi brings to the team is overwhelmingly positive despite how you feel. There's this team concept that some of you cannot grasp.

Obi's per 36 in the playoffs, as always, checked out. He was a net positive, as usual. His % were good. Thibs should have played him more. Y'all give Obi the Blazers Jermaine O'neal treatment squarely because he's buried behind vets. Just give the guy a freaking chance.

he looked mid yesterday. and don’t compare Obi to Draymond green ever again

remember when that one dude here said that Kevin Knox reminded him of Scottie Pippen

[Deeeez Knicks]

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[Kampuchea]

The NBA Champion Warriors starting PF is a poor shooter. But what he does well lets the team be a team while having an overwhelmingly positive impact.

Obi performed with poise against the ECF buzz saw Hawks that exposed and neutered "good shooter" Randle. He finished a +4. What Obi brings to the team is overwhelmingly positive despite how you feel. There's this team concept that some of you cannot grasp.

Obi's per 36 in the playoffs, as always, checked out. He was a net positive, as usual. His % were good. Thibs should have played him more. Y'all give Obi the Blazers Jermaine O'neal treatment squarely because he's buried behind vets. Just give the guy a freaking chance.

he looked mid yesterday. and don’t compare Obi to Draymond green ever again

Stop it.

You know good and well the only reason I mentioned Draymond was to shut down the idea that the PF must be a "good shooter".

Never said “must” but let me clear it up for you.

I like Obi but view him as limited and I’m concerned about him being able to improve those limitations such as rebuilding his shooting form. He also doesn’t have the ability to generate offense or defend at the level of a Draymond that mitigates his weaknesses.

I would be happy to keep him- I love that he presses the defense for easy baskets in transition. At the same time I’d also be willing to include him in a deal for Mitchell as I like what IQ and Grimes bring to the table a bit more.

[snadler]

Latest from Hahn:

Still nothing new on the Donovan Mitchell trade front. After a wild day of speculation on Thursday, nothing materialized. I will say this, however, the Knicks are not interested in giving up a huge pick package AND sending a group of prospects as well. I've often been advised to look at the Gobert trade -- the player swap was relatively minimal -- as a foundation of a deal.

So the stalemate isn't on the picks, it's on the players.

[eminence]

Jazz fan (temporary Wolves bandwagon) coming in peace.

What, if anything would Knicks fans be willing to add to Fournier/Barrett/IQ in terms of picks? I'd much prefer a clear center piece coming back to Utah (RJ) than the pile of picks versions. Would you be willing to do something like NY '23 and then ~2 of the 1sts you've got from other places or is that too much to ask? Gives up RJ, but allows y'all to keep your own picks going forward.

Maybe it makes more sense for us to spread out the picks? Dal '23, NY '24, MIL '25?

[Iron Mantis]

he looked mid yesterday. and don’t compare Obi to Draymond green ever again

Stop it.

You know good and well the only reason I mentioned Draymond was to shut down the idea that the PF must be a "good shooter".

Never said “must” but let me clear it up for you.

I like Obi but view him as limited and I’m concerned about him being able to improve those limitations such as rebuilding his shooting form. He also doesn’t have the ability to generate offense or defend at the level of a Draymond that mitigates his weaknesses.

I would be happy to keep him- I love that he presses the defense for easy baskets in transition. At the same time I’d also be willing to include him in a deal for Mitchell as I like what IQ and Grimes bring to the table a bit more.

In a vacuum your points of his weaknesses are valid. In the bigger picture of how Obi fits in with this team, your points become invalid.

Because despite your arguments against him....Obi always averages a positive + / - (his 2 NBA seasons, and the playoffs).... He deserves a real opportunity. He's a net positive player.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Jazz fan (temporary Wolves bandwagon) coming in peace.

What, if anything would Knicks fans be willing to add to Fournier/Barrett/IQ in terms of picks? I'd much prefer a clear center piece coming back to Utah (RJ) than the pile of picks versions. Would you be willing to do something like NY '23 and then ~2 of the 1sts you've got from other places or is that too much to ask? Gives up RJ, but allows y'all to keep your own picks going forward.

Maybe it makes more sense for us to spread out the picks? Dal '23, NY '24, MIL '25?

[DaGawd]

Jazz fan (temporary Wolves bandwagon) coming in peace.

What, if anything would Knicks fans be willing to add to Fournier/Barrett/IQ in terms of picks? I'd much prefer a clear center piece coming back to Utah (RJ) than the pile of picks versions. Would you be willing to do something like NY '23 and then ~2 of the 1sts you've got from other places or is that too much to ask? Gives up RJ, but allows y'all to keep your own picks going forward.

Maybe it makes more sense for us to spread out the picks? Dal '23, NY '24, MIL '25?

i mean it sounds like barrett isn’t even an option for the jazz since ainge doesn’t want to take on the responsibility of giving barrett his next contract. but hypothetically if he were in the deal i’d def give up less picks. i’d be willing to add maybe 4 picks max at that point

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he looked mid yesterday. and don’t compare Obi to Draymond green ever again

Stop it.

You know good and well the only reason I mentioned Draymond was to shut down the idea that the PF must be a "good shooter".

Never said “must” but let me clear it up for you.

I like Obi but view him as limited and I’m concerned about him being able to improve those limitations such as rebuilding his shooting form. He also doesn’t have the ability to generate offense or defend at the level of a Draymond that mitigates his weaknesses.

I would be happy to keep him- I love that he presses the defense for easy baskets in transition. At the same time I’d also be willing to include him in a deal for Mitchell as I like what IQ and Grimes bring to the table a bit more.

Theres not a single player on the roster that’s untradeable. Any of the young guys can go and if the package includes Obi but has a favorable package after that, then there’s not a GM that isn’t packing his bag.

I don’t know what’s Obi’s championship role is but i don’t think we’d have to worry about that whether he’s traded or not bc I don’t see the Knicks getting close. I think he shoots it too high so I’m not sure if I ever see the shot getting consistent but he’s a menace on the fast break and he’s an instant spark plug on the bench.

I think the team plays better when he’s out there and he’s probably the most exciting player we have to watch lol. So I hope we keep him and whatever he ends ups becoming will be up to him.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Obi's PER 36 numbers are almost identical to his numbers when he got to start, it's actually kind of funny how close they are. He doesn't need to be some sniper as a shooter, all he needs to be is 34-38% from three, and he shot 35% from three over a 45 game stretch. Advanced stats like him, and at a time when forwards are valuable people here want to get rid of one that may actually be good if given the starting job.

The Hornets haven't even pulled Miles Bridges qualifying offer yet, that is how valuable these dudes are.

[KnixinSix]

Latest from Hahn:

Still nothing new on the Donovan Mitchell trade front. After a wild day of speculation on Thursday, nothing materialized. I will say this, however, the Knicks are not interested in giving up a huge pick package AND sending a group of prospects as well. I've often been advised to look at the Gobert trade -- the player swap was relatively minimal -- as a foundation of a deal.

So the stalemate isn't on the picks, it's on the players.

Sounds like we are agreeing to a 'haul of picks' and Ainge is greedy wanting too many players too.

[thebuzzardman]

Latest from Hahn:

Still nothing new on the Donovan Mitchell trade front. After a wild day of speculation on Thursday, nothing materialized. I will say this, however, the Knicks are not interested in giving up a huge pick package AND sending a group of prospects as well. I've often been advised to look at the Gobert trade -- the player swap was relatively minimal -- as a foundation of a deal.

So the stalemate isn't on the picks, it's on the players.

Agreed. Aside from Beasley and Beverly - who I consider the "$ matching part of the trade" - and that they aren't worthless - those pieces can be matched, in some combination, by Fournier & Rose, Fournier & Cam (but then McBride has to be in) or Rose & Cam but then you NEED Grimes or IQ or Obi - and that winds up being "part of the youth"

But to keep it simple, say Rose/Fournier/Cam are the $ matching

The "young players" are Kessler - drafted #22 in 2022 - unproven, for good or bad, Bolamero - another guy drafted in the 20's who has barely played so far, and Vanderbilt, a guy drafted in the 40's who at least got rotational minutes over the last 2 years for the Wolves, but hardly that good.

[thebuzzardman]

Jazz fan (temporary Wolves bandwagon) coming in peace.

What, if anything would Knicks fans be willing to add to Fournier/Barrett/IQ in terms of picks? I'd much prefer a clear center piece coming back to Utah (RJ) than the pile of picks versions. Would you be willing to do something like NY '23 and then ~2 of the 1sts you've got from other places or is that too much to ask? Gives up RJ, but allows y'all to keep your own picks going forward.

Maybe it makes more sense for us to spread out the picks? Dal '23, NY '24, MIL '25?

i mean it sounds like barrett isn’t even an option for the jazz since ainge doesn’t want to take on the responsibility of giving barrett his next contract. but hypothetically if he were in the deal i’d def give up less picks. i’d be willing to add maybe 4 picks max at that point

Also, seems unlikely as RJ getting better becomes one of the Knicks few paths to upgrading the roster if he develops. Also, he's due an extension, which Ainge doesn't seem to want. While the extension puts more money on the Knicks cap, at least it's expanding it from within via a drafted player, instead of trying to trade for 25 million by sending player X out. I mean, it matters if RJ is good at 25 million or whatever, but the cap growing from inside AFTER adding a star like Mitchell is better than trying to add another after the fact.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Obi's PER 36 numbers are almost identical to his numbers when he got to start, it's actually kind of funny how close they are. He doesn't need to be some sniper as a shooter, all he needs to be is 34-38% from three, and he shot 35% from three over a 45 game stretch. Advanced stats like him, and at a time when forwards are valuable people here want to get rid of one that may actually be good if given the starting job.

The Hornets haven't even pulled Miles Bridges qualifying offer yet, that is how valuable these dudes are.

that's cause they're scumbags

[thebuzzardman]

Obi's PER 36 numbers are almost identical to his numbers when he got to start, it's actually kind of funny how close they are. He doesn't need to be some sniper as a shooter, all he needs to be is 34-38% from three, and he shot 35% from three over a 45 game stretch. Advanced stats like him, and at a time when forwards are valuable people here want to get rid of one that may actually be good if given the starting job.

The Hornets haven't even pulled Miles Bridges qualifying offer yet, that is how valuable these dudes are.

IF the Knicks are going to keep Randle and keep him for several years (not a given), but IF, and then Obi kind of gets capped at 20 mpg at best, then can't Paschall provide what Obi does (a variation, I get not the exact same kind of player) at least statistically0, in that 15-18 mpg role?

Obviously the issue here that Obi could reach his potential and blow up with minutes, but it's on another team

[thebuzzardman]

Obi's PER 36 numbers are almost identical to his numbers when he got to start, it's actually kind of funny how close they are. He doesn't need to be some sniper as a shooter, all he needs to be is 34-38% from three, and he shot 35% from three over a 45 game stretch. Advanced stats like him, and at a time when forwards are valuable people here want to get rid of one that may actually be good if given the starting job.

The Hornets haven't even pulled Miles Bridges qualifying offer yet, that is how valuable these dudes are.

that's cause they're scumbags

Probably. But also could be they have a legal department advising them not to yet, for some reason

[ezmoney707]

Latest from Hahn:

Still nothing new on the Donovan Mitchell trade front. After a wild day of speculation on Thursday, nothing materialized. I will say this, however, the Knicks are not interested in giving up a huge pick package AND sending a group of prospects as well. I've often been advised to look at the Gobert trade -- the player swap was relatively minimal -- as a foundation of a deal.

So the stalemate isn't on the picks, it's on the players.

Wouldn't that mean the opposite? If the player swap wasn't an important piece of the deal, the picks and swaps would be the hold up