god shammgod wrote:Motherf*ckers in here writing fan fiction about us hiring a guy everyone with sources say we have no interest in
wtf
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god shammgod wrote:Motherf*ckers in here writing fan fiction about us hiring a guy everyone with sources say we have no interest in
HerSports85 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Jay10 wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
There are 30 million reasons as to why Dolan didn't do this on a whim.
I personally think the front office saw enough from Thibodeau these past few seasons to come to the realization that it was time to move on.
Reporters and media outlets were always going to take the angle of Leon wanted Thibodeau to stay, but it was Dolan that said it was time for Thibodeau to go. When in actuality I think the events happened close to something like this:
- WWW and/or Leon go to Dolan to tell him they want to replace Thibodeau with another head coach
- Dolan probably says,"I just gave the guy a 3 year extension last offseason. I'm going to need more than that."
- Dolan then decides to go to the exit meetings to see if what WWW and/or Leon said aligns with what the players are saying about Thibodeau
- Players and front office align with their statements about Thibodeau
- Thibodeau is fired
That's exactly what I see. WWW has been beating this drum for awhile too and his beat may have gotten too loud to ignore. Leon may have even wanted to take himself out of the equation because of his personal connection to Thibs.
spree8 wrote:HerSports85 wrote:
Wow, mark that down as #1 on the strike list against Leon… interviewed Udoka in 2020 and didn’t hire him smh
Btw, when is Knicks God gunna fix these broken twitter links?
Spree2Houston wrote:Knicks going to request permission to interview Carlisle during the game tonight
god shammgod wrote:Billups has Knicks ties. Who else ?
Spot31 wrote:god shammgod wrote:Billups has Knicks ties. Who else ?
Larry Brown
god shammgod wrote:Spot31 wrote:god shammgod wrote:Billups has Knicks ties. Who else ?
Larry Brown
Is he alive lol
GONYK wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:GONYK wrote:
Brunson isn't the one paying Thibs and is already under contract
I mean you just said players are asking Dolan to fire Thibs. But yet the most important player on the roster wanted him here. It’s clear as day Dolan just stepped in. There’s reports that he never liked Thibs in the first place.
The reports say 7 players wanted Thibs gone. Thats basically the entire playable roster outside of Jalen and Hart.
So I don't know how that leads to the conclusion that Dolan overrode his FO and forced a firing of a man who just made him tons of money and restored the goodwill and reputation of the franchise.
The Knicks have painted this as a Leon Rose-led decision, but few in league circles seem to be buying it.
Rose and Thibodeau were close long before Rose became the Knicks' lead basketball decision-maker in March 2020.
The Knicks, in fact, hired Thibs as their new coach entering the 2020-21 season at Rose's strong insistence. Dolan, meanwhile, has long been described by league observers well-acquainted with New York's organizational dynamics as a non-fan ... which some attribute to Thibodeau's connections as a staff member to what one source described as "the old Knicks." It's a reference to the Knicks' teams coached by Jeff Van Gundy in the late 1990s that, until the past five seasons with Thibs in charge, stood as the last previous successful era of Knicks basketball.
Bob Ross wrote:My uneducated take is this
The talking heads in national media are falling all over themselves about the potential for lolknicks again. Local beat guys seem to get it. Many here were screaming for Thibs' head during the reg season and playoffs. I think many are looking back through rose colored glasses. Thibs is who he is and his weaknesses largely cost us a chance at the chip. Our offense was predictable and easily countered and our defense was erratic.
For the denials on interviews, a closed mouth doesn't get fed. There's no harm in asking. Maybe you get surprised and find out that another coach would be interested.
The idea that they don't have a plan is nonsense. Leon doesn't advertise his plans for the world to analyze. OG, Mikal and KAT trades dropped out of nowhere.
We all knew Thibs didn't have what it takes to get us the gold and that's OK. No sense prolonging the inevitable. It's the off-season, there's no immediate rush to make a hire.
I am as reactive as the next fanatic, but let's get a grip here. I trust Leon to make the right move more than I trust Thibs to change his stripes and play the bench, develop a world beater offense and become a top level in game adjuster
Capn'O wrote:god shammgod wrote:Spot31 wrote:
Larry Brown
Is he alive lol
85 and alive!
He just gave an interview saying he could have turned the Knicks around!
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=706528178627467
3toheadmelo wrote:GONYK wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:I mean you just said players are asking Dolan to fire Thibs. But yet the most important player on the roster wanted him here. It’s clear as day Dolan just stepped in. There’s reports that he never liked Thibs in the first place.
The reports say 7 players wanted Thibs gone. Thats basically the entire playable roster outside of Jalen and Hart.
So I don't know how that leads to the conclusion that Dolan overrode his FO and forced a firing of a man who just made him tons of money and restored the goodwill and reputation of the franchise.
By all reports this was led by Dolan. Not Leon or random players on the roster.The Knicks have painted this as a Leon Rose-led decision, but few in league circles seem to be buying it.
Rose and Thibodeau were close long before Rose became the Knicks' lead basketball decision-maker in March 2020.
The Knicks, in fact, hired Thibs as their new coach entering the 2020-21 season at Rose's strong insistence. Dolan, meanwhile, has long been described by league observers well-acquainted with New York's organizational dynamics as a non-fan ... which some attribute to Thibodeau's connections as a staff member to what one source described as "the old Knicks." It's a reference to the Knicks' teams coached by Jeff Van Gundy in the late 1990s that, until the past five seasons with Thibs in charge, stood as the last previous successful era of Knicks basketball.
MrDollarBills wrote:GONYK wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:The team captain Brunson wanted Thibs to stay.
Brunson isn't the one paying Thibs and is already under contract
I've seen nothing that has been credibly reported that indicates that this was some wild, unilateral decision, and that this was a collective decision made by ownership, the front office with feedback from the players.
Unless there is evidence otherwise I think the idea that Dolan just barged in and flushed 30m of his money down the toilet because he didn't like Tom is completely false.
3toheadmelo wrote:GONYK wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:I mean you just said players are asking Dolan to fire Thibs. But yet the most important player on the roster wanted him here. It’s clear as day Dolan just stepped in. There’s reports that he never liked Thibs in the first place.
The reports say 7 players wanted Thibs gone. Thats basically the entire playable roster outside of Jalen and Hart.
So I don't know how that leads to the conclusion that Dolan overrode his FO and forced a firing of a man who just made him tons of money and restored the goodwill and reputation of the franchise.
By all reports this was led by Dolan. Not Leon or random players on the roster.The Knicks have painted this as a Leon Rose-led decision, but few in league circles seem to be buying it.
Rose and Thibodeau were close long before Rose became the Knicks' lead basketball decision-maker in March 2020.
The Knicks, in fact, hired Thibs as their new coach entering the 2020-21 season at Rose's strong insistence. Dolan, meanwhile, has long been described by league observers well-acquainted with New York's organizational dynamics as a non-fan ... which some attribute to Thibodeau's connections as a staff member to what one source described as "the old Knicks." It's a reference to the Knicks' teams coached by Jeff Van Gundy in the late 1990s that, until the past five seasons with Thibs in charge, stood as the last previous successful era of Knicks basketball.