[Camelo Thread Part 7]

Pharmcat · Post #1061 » by **Pharmcat** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:45 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:The Melo situation is crazy. Hearing everywhere from #knicks giving up hope to less than 40% chance Melo ends up in jersey.

Tommy Dee

werent confident getting lbj

not confident getting melo

whats going on, when will the FO be confident of getting someone?

thebuzzardman · Post #1062 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:45 pm

Did Melo basically accuse his agents and Denver mgt of being disrespectful to the fans?

Falstaffxx · Post #1063 » by **Falstaffxx** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:45 pm

moocow007 wrote:
If Melo is serious about NJ just because of the money (concerns) then I would doubt he'd care two bits about Billups ultimately. However, if he is the type that would really care about Billups then the chances are good that he likely won't be driven by money (which, tbh, is THE only weapon the Nugs and Nets have over him).

And it's still not clear to me exactly how much money we're talking about. In the current CBA it doesn't look as if he'd be losing much. And I'm not sure why people are convinced that the new CBA = huge pay cuts for new contracts. I'm not buying that Amar'e = $20 million per year yet the players are going to accept a deal where Carmelo gets $15 million per year or something.

And I see you posted above on this topic while I was typing this. So it really does seem to come down to the CBA. That seems like a flimsy kind of leverage for Denver to have. Their leverage is contingent upon the owners successfully negotiating huge concessions from the players. Even if they do get the players to agree to lower max contracts, it would have to be a huge concession in order to make it a situation where Melo would be "leaving $20 million on the table" as some have suggested. And if it's a lockout, no one gets paid anyhow.

Post #1064 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:46 pm

moocow007 wrote:
If Melo is serious about NJ just because of the money (concerns) then I would doubt he'd care two bits about Billups ultimately. However, if he is the type that would really care about Billups then the chances are good that he likely won't be driven by money (which, tbh, is THE only weapon the Nugs and Nets have over him).

Very well said. And if he was really anxious about getting his extension, he probably wouldn't mind roping Billups in to come with him and help him be on a team that doesn't stink as badly as it might without him.

His agents: Concerned about money and driving him to the Nets because, after all, they don't have to be in Newark
Melo: Seems like a much different story and a nuanced approach to the whole thing

NYman15 · Post #1065 » by **NYman15** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:47 pm

Marty McFly · Post #1066 » by **Marty McFly** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:48 pm

Pharmcat wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:The Melo situation is crazy. Hearing everywhere from #knicks giving up hope to less than 40% chance Melo ends up in jersey.

Tommy Dee

werent confident getting lbj

not confident getting melo

whats going on, when will the FO be confident of getting someone?

don't you have a practice to to go to a FIU?

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #1067 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:49 pm

Al not at practice either.....I know, I know.

Falstaffxx · Post #1068 » by **Falstaffxx** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:49 pm

Pharmcat wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:The Melo situation is crazy. Hearing everywhere from #knicks giving up hope to less than 40% chance Melo ends up in jersey.

Tommy Dee

werent confident getting lbj

not confident getting melo

whats going on, when will the FO be confident of getting someone?

Presumably when reality and confidence are compatible.

Li'l Penny · Post #1069 » by **Li'l Penny** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:50 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
knicks742 wrote:One thing that I think is interesting is that he keeps saying that he needs to talk to Denver management. Isn't that normally what agents do? I am now convinced Melo is not in synch with his agents.

His agents are essentially working for the Nets.

BDA Sports Mgmt taking the LRMR route of misdirection

Falstaffxx · Post #1070 » by **Falstaffxx** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:50 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Al not at practice either.....I know, I know.

This must mean Al and Billups are getting traded without Melo.

Knickplaya · Post #1071 » by **Knickplaya** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:52 pm

Falstaffxx wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Al not at practice either.....I know, I know.

This must mean Al and Billups are getting traded without Melo.

Knicks get Melo

Nets get Billups and Al :lol:

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #1072 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:52 pm

And another thing...why aren't we being used on Denver's end to drive up the price?
Wouldn't that be a logical negotiation route? What do they gain by basically, publicly declaring that we are not in the conversation? This is all so odd.

MSGLegendNY · Post #1073 » by **MSGLegendNY** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:53 pm

NJ trade is dumb in short-term and long-term.

Short term- Nets are bottom feeders of the east, so even with the boost of Melo and others they won't make a good seeding at all, forcing an early exit in bad fashion.(If they even make the playoffs)

Long term- After losing early in the playoffs you're stuck with RIP getting older and same with Billups who won't even be happy there. No young pieces and no picks.

This should be talked about in the meeting Melo will have with Denver regarding a trade to NJ. What could Denver say to sway him into signing with NJ when the obvious is out there? If this was the case he would be better off in Denver with them signing RIP as many have mentioned before. I just don't see how they can sell him on going to NJ.

Post #1074 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:54 pm

I don't think Melo wants to go to New Jersey unless it's absolutely necessary:

Melo was asked why he thinks there will be no trade this week "That's just my feeling. I don't think so. I don't want to elaborate on that.'

Melo was asked how long this will drag on: "It could go on to the trade deadline... I have no idea about that.''

Starksfor3 · Post #1075 » by **Starksfor3** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:54 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:And another thing...why aren't we being used on Denver's end to drive up the price?
Wouldn't that be a logical negotiation route? What do they gain by basically, publicly declaring that we are not in the conversation? This is all so odd.

Because we're the team Melo wants to go to. The Nets are the ones being used to drive the price up for the Knicks.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1076 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:54 pm

We're gonna reach 100 pages by midnight lol. My god.

Knickplaya · Post #1077 » by **Knickplaya** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:54 pm

This is pure craziness, I don't think Donnie is falling for it though.

Post #1078 » by **knicks742** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:55 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:And another thing...why aren't we being used on Denver's end to drive up the price?
Wouldn't that be a logical negotiation route? What do they gain by basically, publicly declaring that we are not in the conversation? This is all so odd.

We are being used. Why do you think the Nyets are about to mortgage their entire future to keep Melo from the Knicks?

Post #1079 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:55 pm

Falstaffxx wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
If Melo is serious about NJ just because of the money (concerns) then I would doubt he'd care two bits about Billups ultimately. However, if he is the type that would really care about Billups then the chances are good that he likely won't be driven by money (which, tbh, is THE only weapon the Nugs and Nets have over him).

And it's still not clear to me exactly how much money we're talking about. In the current CBA it doesn't look as if he'd be losing much. And I'm not sure why people are convinced that the new CBA = huge pay cuts for new contracts. I'm not buying that Amar'e = $20 million per year yet the players are going to accept a deal where Carmelo gets $15 million per year or something.

He's not. If Melo would sign the extension, it means that he stands to make $83 million over the next 4 years. If he were to sign as a free agent, he would be looking at the following (current CBA allows each years contract to be 105% max of previous year or league max...which is below Melo's current salary):

2011-2012 ~ $18M
2012-2013 ~ $19M
2013-2014 ~ $20M
2014-2015 ~ $21M
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Total for first 4 years under new 5 year contract: $78 million.

Post #1080 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:57 pm

knicks742 wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:And another thing...why aren't we being used on Denver's end to drive up the price?
Wouldn't that be a logical negotiation route? What do they gain by basically, publicly declaring that we are not in the conversation? This is all so odd.

We are being used. Why do you think the Nyets are about to mortgage their entire future to keep Melo from the Knicks?

But repeatedly leaking that the Knicks don't have the assets that they want is a real poor way of using the Knicks to squeeze the Nets isn't it?