[Camelo Thread Part 11] - Knicks make offer? Pg 82

[RHODEY]

Question. Despite everything, Carmelo has been handling this stuff like a professional. He hasn't thrown Denver under the bus. The dudes sister just deid, you would think there would be a little good faith offered to Melo from Denver, The guy game them 8 great years...

If they continue to try and keep him away from what he wants, whats the incentive for Melo to continue behaving like a gentleman? PR issues?

[GONYK]

Uriji and Kroenke will basically concede (although not publicly) that the Kid holds the better hand. His unwillingness to sign an extension card trumps their thought the new CBA will scare him into signing the extension card. He's in the prime of his earning years, he's good at what he does, fans are still packing arenas and buying jersey's and the demand for players like him is still there so the money for him will be there regardless of what the CBA looks like. It's time for Denver to fold.

I think Denver is gonna give it one last attempt to pull the wool over Donnies eyes, soon we will be hearing about intense talks with the Bulls, Rockets and some other random team like the Mavericks to try to get Walsh to panic.

Donnie don't panic

[moocow007]

The only rental team I am remotely afraid of is Dallas because they could compete this year and win, which would make it tough on Melo to leave. Houston is going nowhere and there is no chance he resigns there.

They have nothing to give. The legend of Rodrique Beaubois is like the Abominable Snowman and Bigfoot.

hahaha... Roddy "bucket's". Even if he was healthy he couldn't take BArea's minutes. OT for a sec you know what I love about JJ he's small enough to go over the screens. I can't stand it when PG's go under the screens.

JJ is built like a little bulldog and he competes. Wouldn't mind having him as a backup PG.

[K_ick_God]

$40M comes out to $10M per year over 4 years.

I hate Chad Ford and, by extension, Marc Stein. But I don't think that's what they're saying KG.

Let's take it one step at a time.

First, if he takes the extension, he'd get his $16.5 million next season. Then he'd get 3 more years at 65 on top of that. That's a total of 4 years, $77 m. After those years are up, there would then be the possibility that his next contract is based off his previous one even with a new CBA.

But let's say he opts out. How much would that initial check be worth? It looks like the Knicks could clear about $14 million. Is that enough? Well that's $2.5 million lost right there. After that, how much will the 3 year extension be for? Will it even be 3 years? After that, how much will his next contract be for? Presumably less if it's based off his previous salary.

When you look at it as money over the rest of Carmelo's career (instead of just the next 4 years), it very well could end up being $30 - 40 million. I think that's a high estimate, but it's definitely possible.

Bottom line is Carmelo would be crazy not to sign an extension IMO.

It makes absolutely no sense that the next CBA will decrease salary cap, and decrease the amount players can sign for, but not decrease current salaries. This would cripple most teams. For instance Rashard Lewis in Washington will make $23,790,000 in 2012/2013, Brand and Igoudala will make about 33 mil in Phili the same year. If the amount players can sign for goes down, so will current salaries accordingly - it has to happen, because anything else would leave the league in shambles for about 4 to 5 years. And if they add a hard cap, there is no way that all salaries don't go down, because they won't be able to fit. Are the lakers going to have to give away players? They are on the books for 92 mil next year. All changes will effect everyone, and it will be even and fair.

You raise a great point and one that I forgot to mention: Even if you think the league does not care about consequences from the PLAYERS of forcing a totally skewed salary structure on them, what about the TEAMS who the league represents?

How is the league going to have the Grizzlies pay Gay $17M but the Knicks can pay Melo just $12M or whatever? Completely unfair to the owners and that's EVEN IF you account for the big salary cap space discrepancy by somehow prorating the cap for teams with these "old maxes."

Fixing the cap discrepancy would be a huge mess but it would still leave the big problem that you have some owners shelling out $4M, $5M more per year for their best players while other teams get a big discount.

A highly skewed structure breeds so many problems that it will never happen. And by the way, the league definitely does care about it from the players' point of view too: They don't want to break the seniority structure of the pay scale and they don't want to have this ass backwards system that will only breed bigger labor problems in the near future.

I am not usually positive about much because you can't be 100% sure of anything -- there are always so many unknowns. But in this case, when the smoke clears, I am 99% sure that you will see Melo making within 5-8% of what lebron & co. make.

[seren]

League in total does not have any problems with making profits. It is just about certain teams that are losing huge amounts while others making huge profits. No amount of hard cap or salary decrease will solve the problems of a team like New Orleans or Indiana who essentially play to empty arenas. I fully expect some sort of revenue sharing in the new CBA. Salaries may go down maybe 10-15 percent. Guaranteed years may go down. There is no way existing salaries would survive if changes are drastic. Too many teams have too many contracts in their hands that they are tied to.

[Punk]

Sooooooo Nuggets fans still believe that Melo was legitimately interested in the Nets. I can't make this stuff up

Much like coacaine is a helluva drug, denial is as well.

TheRebel is the biggest tool on that forum, I can't believe hes a mod.

He's also the only person on there. Everyone else is just multiple accounts....

[moocow007]

League in total does not have any problems with making profits. It is just about certain teams that are losing huge amounts while others making huge profits. No amount of hard cap or salary decrease will solve the problems of a team like New Orleans or Indiana who essentially play to empty arenas. I fully expect some sort of revenue sharing in the new CBA. Salaries may go down maybe 10-15 percent. Guaranteed years may go down. There is no way existing salaries would survive if changes are drastic. Too many teams have too many contracts in their hands that they are tied to.

Agreed.

[moocow007]

Sooooooo Nuggets fans still believe that Melo was legitimately interested in the Nets. I can't make this stuff up

Much like coacaine is a helluva drug, denial is as well.

TheRebel is the biggest tool on that forum, I can't believe hes a mod.

All I have to say is the same thing that Dennis the peasant said to King Arthur when Arthur told him he's the king....the 2:05 minute mark.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0[/youtube]

[Dr. Detfink]

I still say the Knicks are not out of the woods yet. There is ONE team that could pull a Philly Phillies on the Knicks if they aren't careful.

[RutgersBJJ]

LOL which one of you guys just banned the Nuggets only non-mod fan?

[GONYK]

I still say the Knicks are not out of the woods yet. There is ONE team that could pull a Philly Phillies on the Knicks if they aren't careful.

Not without Melo signing the extension there isn't

[BigUgly]

I still say the Knicks are not out of the woods yet. There is ONE team that could pull a Philly Phillies on the Knicks if they aren't careful.

You are comparing us to the Yankees ??????? 27 titles to 2.Lee was not big on NYC ,Melo is ..well we know what Melo thinks of us

[Falstaffxx]

I'm getting the sense this will drag on for another month.

[alphad0gz]

Contracts will always be what the market will bear. Stern has globalized the NBA, therefore the market is the entire world. What would Howard, Kobe, Wade, James, Amar'e, and Melo make in Europe? As long as that is an option, the NBA will have to match or beat those salaries. Damn sure they do better than 10M......

[adog50]

I'm getting the sense this will drag on for another month.

Agreed

[kingmalaki]

Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to post the whole thing. Morey just says Rockets back in the game with Nets bowing out. If it's gotta be a rental then we will try.

You can try but you're honestly gonna be used for leverage more than likely to get the Knicks to ante up.

I honestly think he may just be trying to get in on a deal routing him to NY, now or this summer. But all indications point to him being interested in a rental. So a NY offer has to trump a Houston one...at least for this season.

[RHODEY]

LOL Kevin Mchale on TNT still touting Jersey s an option. At least Barkley was speaking common sense when he said no team would or should give up assets to rent a player. I still do'nt get why when Jersey is brought up no one ask why in the Hell would he want to go there?"

[Knicks_Fan2]

It's all a matter of how you viewed prokhorovs comments. If you wrongly assume it was the amount the nuggets were asking for melo that caused him to pull out of the trade, then it is reasonable to assume the nets would be willing to reengage the nuggets on the nets terms. If you rightly assume it was because melo wouldn't sign the extension and the nets were just trying to save face, then it is only reasonable to assume the deal is dead. It's dead.

[louieOrr]

Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to post the whole thing. Morey just says Rockets back in the game with Nets bowing out. If it's gotta be a rental then we will try.

It will be interesting to see what market Houston sets as the rental price. I respect your GM so curious to see what he is willing to pony up because then he is taking the risk that he loses Melo for nothing this summer which is what Denver is trying to avoid.

Im not trying to attack here. But that is a real grimy, parasitic move by Morey. Melo does not want Houston, or their ugly red polyester uniforms. I guess Morey is not worried about establishing good relationships with other GM's. I hope if Houston gets involved just to extort assets from us, that we (Donnie) get the opportunity for payback for that lecherous move by Morey. To me that is just bad business. I cannot respect that kind of tactic at all. If they want him because they think the can get an extended Melo, then I can respect that.

[Context]

If the Knicks are truly his first choice he aint going to Houston...

The Knicks being his first choice only matters to teams not willing to trade for him without an extension in place. What does NY being his first choice have to do with someone renting him for the remainder of the season? Yes it's risky but anyone that rents him is aware that he may not resign. Their hedge is being able to get something from having his bird rights. 

As proven by your own comparison of what the Knicks and Rockets can offer. The offers will be in the same ballpark. Giving Denver no reason to trade him to any of these other teams- especially teams that are out west...