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[Thugger HBC]

Durant knows at this point he needs to be carried. he's a flake anyway. fuq that dude.

[RHODEY]

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Jesus. This situation is absolutely horrifying. There was definitely worry in the analysis of him before the draft, but holy sh*t he got pulled from SL and then didn't even make it to the regular season of his rookie year before a significant knee surgery.

I never feel bad for fans of other teams or opposing players because it's sports and f*ck everyone that's not with me, but this is the closest I've come. After that tweet and this video below, what is the absolute BEST you can realistically/objectively hope for as a NOP fan if his skill pans out in the league? 5 dope years with 2-3 of them as a transcendent player?

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And if I recall correctly this gait/standing situation (valgus) is exactly the stuff that led to a poster specifically calling Porzingis' ACL tear months before it happened.

I am so glad I'm not being put through this as a fan right now.

Feel terrible for him and the Pels. I hate several teams but they're not on the list. Just wondering though...does this mean we could have won the draft?

[RHODEY]

Red shirt Zion like Ben Simmons. I don’t want to see such a special player like him be plagued with injuries. Get his conditioning and mechanics right and have him go at it next year.

Rest doesn’t regrow cartilage. It’s bad news. Possibly the worst news.

They can stem cell grow a liver, why not cartilage?

[K_ick_God]

Red shirt Zion like Ben Simmons. I don’t want to see such a special player like him be plagued with injuries. Get his conditioning and mechanics right and have him go at it next year.

Rest doesn’t regrow cartilage. It’s bad news. Possibly the worst news.

They can stem cell grow a liver, why not cartilage?

They’re working on some artificial cartilage implants but none approved yet beyond testing. It’s getting closer. But unclear if it would just reduce pain or allow you to compete at a high level.

In theory you could probably cushion every joint this way and so the sports leagues will have to one day soon figure out if it’s okay to artificially recover from injuries in certain ways.

What if someone can get a bionic knee or ankle? Not here yet but it’s coming.

[Context]

kd
zion
if kp gets hurt this might be the knicks luckiest year ever lol

I ve been saying this from the beginning of the year...no matter what the outcome for the knicks this
year would be good for us...

[JXL]

kd
zion
if kp gets hurt this might be the knicks luckiest year ever lol

I ve been saying this from the beginning of the year...no matter what the outcome for the knicks this
year would be good for us...

If Kyrie bombs in Brooklyn and they take a step back, might as well put up the " WE DIDNT GET SCREWED" banner.

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[DOT]

I wouldn't say the Knicks dodged a bullet. Because we would have drafted him if he was still up lol.

This was my only concern with Zion. I usually say there's a first time for everything, but you never see guys with his figure last in the NBA. Why is Zion a special case? It's still a 82 game season.

I mean, it happens but it's exceedingly rare

Like, even among NBA guys, you don't see many guys his size, then of them it's rarer still to have that combination of size, athleticism, and durability

Think like, Barkley was that size and regularly played 75+ games a year until he was 30. Malone was listed as 250, but he was probably closer to 260-270, and he only played less than 80 games in a season twice, the lockout 99 season and his last season in 04. LeBron's the same way, this was the first year he actually missed significant time and he's arguably 260+ too

Even Shaq, for as ridiculous as he was, regularly missed 15 or so games a season when he got up to 300+ pounds

But even then, I still don't think the Pels made a mistake taking him, and I still would've done the same thing. Injury is one of those things you just gotta roll the dice on, risk is worth the reward

[ITGM]

With all due respect to Zion, between missing out on the #1 pick and not signing maxed out overly sensitive nut-jobs, the Knicks have been dodging bullets left and right this summer.

[Worst_to_First]

kd
zion
if kp gets hurt this might be the knicks luckiest year ever lol

Gotta send Ewing to the lottery every year.

If not Pat then RJ since it is his co-cornerstone we hopefully would be getting.

[BKlutch]

I just Googled this injury. If the injury is to the outside of the meniscus, there is a blood supply, and it can heal. So they repair the tear and it does heal. If the injury is to the inside of meniscus, it has no blood supply and can't heal, so they remove, or debride the torn parts of the meniscus. The Pel's statement said it was a debridement, so a portion of the inner meniscus was removed.

This means that Zion is more at risk for future arthritis or other knee injury, which could include the knee "locking up" on him. But it could also be such a small piece that he will be good for a long time.

But for Zion, weight loss and rest don't seem like they would work, so I'm not sure how well he will do. I'm not a surgeon LOL. But the Pels haven't said all that much, so we can only hope he's ok. I hope he can play 100% when he returns, except when he plays the Knicks.

[HerSports85]

I’d take Beasley over Ingram

[Adelheid]

Noooooooo! Zion torn meniscus and not yet playing a minute of rs

[HEZI]

Durant knows at this point he needs to be carried. he's a flake anyway. fuq that dude.

He might be but we know he's just saying what many players of his caliber are really thinking when it comes to the Knicks. What's funny is that Kawhi convinced another player to demand a trade so they can team up in LA and told the Clippers that the only way he's coming is if they can trade for Paul George, yet nobody says anything about it.

When it comes to the Knicks, we are a pretty thirsty franchise. Our history is longer than most in the league but out of all the major market teams we have the longest drought when it comes to a title. A lot of pressure and responsibility comes with playing for the Knicks and KD isn't the only one that's had opportunities and turned them down. KD and Irving can fail in Brooklyn and not many people will really care that much. On the Knicks, it's a whole different story.

This is one of the main reasons I want to see us become competitive again even if it is as a mediocre 7th or 8th seed playoff team, but not like the 54 win team of a few years ago where our window was small but as a young team with room to grow and get better. But I think we need to get back into the spotlight of being at least respectable and not a team that's lotto bound year after year.

[Adelheid]

With all due respect to Zion, between missing out on the #1 pick and not signing maxed out overly sensitive nut-jobs, the Knicks have been dodging bullets left and right this summer.

The knicks deserve equal billing with Keanu "Matrix" Reeves.

[malik959]

I really do want to see both Zion and RJ succeed because I feel they're good for the league. Two humble players that are very smart and exciting to watch. I have nothing against the Pels, although I do feel that there is a conspiracy on how they're getting their top players after losing their stars (both Paul and Davis). Same goes for both Philly and Cleveland. Now I didn't want Zion because of his size (6'6 280) and I stated a long time ago that I was worried about his knees handling that weight. He gained about 100lbs of muscle between HS and NBA. He developed all that weight whether good or bad, but joints and cartilage do not develop as fast. But I do hope he comes back healthy, but feel that he needs to go ahead and take a full year off and lose the weight so that this does not occur again.

[nyknicks09]

me and gonyk might be the only guys who agree with management it seems. you have spots for max deals, those spots go to superstars. if you spend 5 mill less than a max on a guy, you still lost a max deal that could go to a star. all that does it give you a little extra for role players. so no sabonis, no buddy hield, no jaylen brown, no nothing. these are the type of deals that small market teams have to make to just stay relevant. but those teams don't even really except to compete for championships, they're just filling the building. they take what they can get. our building is filled no matter what. and no, guys like this can't always be easily traded for an expiring. they're young so they're all shiny and new now, but after a year or two everyone will realize they're glorified role players at near superstar cost. the market won't be that great unless they actually become stars. they're all being paid somewhat on potential.

it's the one thing that makes me not hate this management. after the hardaway fiasco, they seem to have figured this out. besides drafting well, it's the most important management can do. not give out these kind of deals.

You seem to forget that these teams are playoffs teams and are way ahead of us by a huge gap. These young cats that are getting their extensions have a winning mentality and have had playoffs experience with their current franchise and their trade value is still high during the season for the exception of the Kings. Porzingis is the perfect example why these max cats and near max cats don’t want to come and sign with this franchise. Who do you think teams rather make trades and deals with? Us or those playoffs teams?

[Thugger HBC]

Durant knows at this point he needs to be carried. he's a flake anyway. fuq that dude.

He might be but we know he's just saying what many players of his caliber are really thinking when it comes to the Knicks. What's funny is that Kawhi convinced another player to demand a trade so they can team up in LA and told the Clippers that the only way he's coming is if they can trade for Paul George, yet nobody says anything about it.

When it comes to the Knicks, we are a pretty thirsty franchise. Our history is longer than most in the league but out of all the major market teams we have the longest drought when it comes to a title. A lot of pressure and responsibility comes with playing for the Knicks and KD isn't the only one that's had opportunities and turned them down. KD and Irving can fail in Brooklyn and not many people will really care that much. On the Knicks, it's a whole different story.

This is one of the main reasons I want to see us become competitive again even if it is as a mediocre 7th or 8th seed playoff team, but not like the 54 win team of a few years ago where our window was small but as a young team with room to grow and get better. But I think we need to get back into the spotlight of being at least respectable and not a team that's lotto bound year after year.

Kawhi really didn't convince George. He's from there and wanted to be traded there before OKC. He did apparently convince The Clippers to pull the trigger. Kyrie convincing KD to join the 2nd team in NY just because he grew up a Nets fan is quite different.

I do agree that Knicks pressure to win is greater than what it would be in Brooklyn if those two came here. The thing is, most of these players don't want want real challenges.....KD especially. He wants it easy. Kyrie just wanted to go to his childhood team. I do think the injury to KD changed everything. even though I wanted zero parts of KD in a Knicks uniform I do think he'd be a Knick had he not been injured. Kyrie as well. All that "Knicks aint cool" nonsense is just a creampuff talking.

The Knicks really just need to focus on their course. We have a decent prospect at every position on the court, and all of our 1st rounders with cap flexibility going forward, and other teams 1sts too. The Knicks are in a good place, regardless of potential record. Really cant ask for more at that this stage.

[GONYK]

me and gonyk might be the only guys who agree with management it seems. you have spots for max deals, those spots go to superstars. if you spend 5 mill less than a max on a guy, you still lost a max deal that could go to a star. all that does it give you a little extra for role players. so no sabonis, no buddy hield, no jaylen brown, no nothing. these are the type of deals that small market teams have to make to just stay relevant. but those teams don't even really except to compete for championships, they're just filling the building. they take what they can get. our building is filled no matter what. and no, guys like this can't always be easily traded for an expiring. they're young so they're all shiny and new now, but after a year or two everyone will realize they're glorified role players at near superstar cost. the market won't be that great unless they actually become stars. they're all being paid somewhat on potential.

it's the one thing that makes me not hate this management. after the hardaway fiasco, they seem to have figured this out. besides drafting well, it's the most important management can do. not give out these kind of deals.

You seem to forget that these teams are playoffs teams and are way ahead of us by a huge gap. These young cats that are getting their extensions have a winning mentality and have had playoffs experience with their current franchise and their trade value is still high during the season for the exception of the Kings. Porzingis is the perfect example why these max cats and near max cats don’t want to come and sign with this franchise. Who do you think teams rather make trades and deals with? Us or those playoffs teams?

Jaylen Brown isn't worth $30M, no matter how many playoff series' he's been eliminated from.

[Clyde_Style]

I wouldn't say the Knicks dodged a bullet. Because we would have drafted him if he was still up lol.

This was my only concern with Zion. I usually say there's a first time for everything, but you never see guys with his figure last in the NBA. Why is Zion a special case? It's still a 82 game season.

It's alright to say it:

The Knicks dodged a bullet

Definitely

[KnicksGadfly]

If we had draft Zion, there's a huge possibility he'd be part of the NOP today anyway. Might changed the league.