OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[Retired_Doc]

Doc im disappointed in this post by you...

you ever get addicted to drugs?

Yes, I was "minimally addicted" back in the 60's. I attended the original "Woodstock" in 1969 and it was pretty hard to avoid the stuff back then. A year or so later I quit all of them, including organic mescaline, dubbed the best 8 hour stomach ache you could ever have, which had been my favorite. So since the early seventies I'm clean. Don't drink, don't smoke, exercise every day and hope to live till 111.

Thanks for confessing. We'll be sending the riot police to take you in for your former crimes against humanity, partaking in the drugs and drug culture that tore America apart in the 1960's. Surely, just as George Floyds heinous drug crimes made him a legitimate target for death, you won't mind heading to the chair for your similar crimes. Thank you for being of the solution.

I never once said that George Floyd should have, nor deserved to be murdered for any of the numerous crimes he committed, much less for passing a fake $20 bill! Show me where I said that!

What I am alluding to is that it seems to me that these destructive riots which negatively affect Black businesses and Black employees are misguided. The time to riot is when an innocent Black man with no record is murdered by white cops. THEN the riots begin to make sense. But to use George Floyd as the "poster man" for these hugely destructive riots which are ripping the country apart as well as punishing innocent Blacks more than Whites who have lost their businesses and their places to shop does not make sense to me.

Why decimate the very places where Blacks live and shop?

Next thing we know someone will erect a 20 foot statue honoring Mr. Floyd. If you want to build a statue then pick someone like Dr. Martin Luther King who really was trying to soothe racial tensions, and deserves to be honored.

[thebuzzardman]

Yes, I was "minimally addicted" back in the 60's. I attended the original "Woodstock" in 1969 and it was pretty hard to avoid the stuff back then. A year or so later I quit all of them, including organic mescaline, dubbed the best 8 hour stomach ache you could ever have, which had been my favorite. So since the early seventies I'm clean. Don't drink, don't smoke, exercise every day and hope to live till 111.

Thanks for confessing. We'll be sending the riot police to take you in for your former crimes against humanity, partaking in the drugs and drug culture that tore America apart in the 1960's. Surely, just as George Floyds heinous drug crimes made him a legitimate target for death, you won't mind heading to the chair for your similar crimes. Thank you for being of the solution.

I never once said that George Floyd should have, nor deserved to be murdered for any of the numerous crimes he committed, much less for passing a fake $20 bill! Show me where I said that!

What I am alluding to is that it seems to me that these destructive riots which negatively affect Black businesses and Black employees are misguided. The time to riot is when an innocent Black man with no record is murdered by white cops. THEN the riots begin to make sense. But to use George Floyd as the "poster man" for these hugely destructive riots which are ripping the country apart as well as punishing innocent Blacks more than Whites who have lost their businesses and their places to shop does not make sense to me.

Why decimate the very places where Blacks live and shop?

Next thing we know someone will erect a 20 foot statue honoring Mr. Floyd. If you want to build a statue then pick someone like Dr. Martin Luther King who really was trying to soothe racial tensions, and deserves to be honored.

Missing the point. Extrajudicial punishment sucks in a just society, theoretically governed by laws, no matter what. The fact it falls disproportionately on a group based on color matters, regardless of the background of the ALLEGED perpetrator.

You know, trial by jury, innocent of the particular crime until proven guilty, all that sort of stuff.

Plus, yeah, this guy had some dangerous/violent incidents in his past. I get that.
But listing out the "drug offenses". F*ck that bull. I see that f*cking bullsh*T all the time and have seen it for YEARS, in order to paint a picture of the perpertrator (who is many cases is the victim) as having a "long rap sheet".
Yeah, except for Floyd's list, two of his 2 crimes are violent and with victims (in the past), the other 4 are victimless drug crimes (oh look, also in his past). Who gives a sh*t?

And you see it with other people are arrested, the "reporting" is "oh noes, the "drug" crimes, which means the person got rolled up in some bs drug sweeps in his poor neighborhood while the police filled easy quotas around a non issue/mental health issue that society decided to be scared about instead of dealing with in a sane, compassionate and actually effective way.

Not to mention the poor people who build up "records" based on the police's over aggressive policing of "quality of life/broken window" laws.

But hey, when a society has decided to look the other way on a segment of it's population being overpoliced and used as an ATM to fund municipal budget shortfalls, what's a person to do?


I'll point out there are a number of sh*tty cops, and a HUGE issue is they are held unaccountable for bad behavior and racism. Just as big a problem is that as a society we've decided to try and "police" our way out of racial and social and mental health issues. And this is a matter of BAD POLICY, instead of BAD POLICE. Except that there are plenty of bad police too.

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[KnicksGadfly]

Thanks for confessing. We'll be sending the riot police to take you in for your former crimes against humanity, partaking in the drugs and drug culture that tore America apart in the 1960's. Surely, just as George Floyds heinous drug crimes made him a legitimate target for death, you won't mind heading to the chair for your similar crimes. Thank you for being of the solution.

I never once said that George Floyd should have, nor deserved to be murdered for any of the numerous crimes he committed, much less for passing a fake $20 bill! Show me where I said that!

What I am alluding to is that it seems to me that these destructive riots which negatively affect Black businesses and Black employees are misguided. The time to riot is when an innocent Black man with no record is murdered by white cops. THEN the riots begin to make sense. But to use George Floyd as the "poster man" for these hugely destructive riots which are ripping the country apart as well as punishing innocent Blacks more than Whites who have lost their businesses and their places to shop does not make sense to me.

Why decimate the very places where Blacks live and shop?

Next thing we know someone will erect a 20 foot statue honoring Mr. Floyd. If you want to build a statue then pick someone like Dr. Martin Luther King who really was trying to soothe racial tensions, and deserves to be honored.

Missing the point. Extrajudicial punishment sucks in a just society, theoretically governed by laws, no matter what. The fact it falls disproportionately on a group based on color matters, regardless of the background of the ALLEGED perpetrator.

You know, trial by jury, innocent of the particular crime until proven guilty, all that sort of stuff.

Plus, yeah, this guy had some dangerous/violent incidents in his past. I get that.
But listing out the "drug offenses". F*ck that bull. I see that f*cking bullsh*T all the time and have seen it for YEARS, in order to paint a picture of the perpertrator (who is many cases is the victim) as having a "long rap sheet".
Yeah, except for Floyd's list, two of his 2 crimes are violent and with victims (in the past), the other 4 are victimless drug crimes (oh look, also in his past). Who gives a sh*t?

And you see it with other people are arrested, the "reporting" is "oh noes, the "drug" crimes, which means the person got rolled up in some bs drug sweeps in his poor neighborhood while the police filled easy quotas around a non issue/mental health issue that society decided to be scared about instead of dealing with in a sane, compassionate and actually effective way.

Not to mention the poor people who build up "records" based on the police's over aggressive policing of "quality of life/broken window" laws.

But hey, when a society has decided to look the other way on a segment of it's population being overpoliced and used as an ATM to fund municipal budget shortfalls, what's a person to do?


I'll point out there are a number of sh*tty cops, and a HUGE issue is they are held unaccountable for bad behavior and racism. Just as big a problem is that as a society we've decided to try and "police" our way out of racial and social and mental health issues. And this is a matter of BAD POLICY, instead of BAD POLICE. Except that there are plenty of bad police too.

I respect you, bro, but you're being way too nice in even giving an explanation.

His intention was not to argue that Floyd deserved to die. So why the hell are you even digging all that stuff up? Seriously, I would like to hear a good answer.

We've seen that pattern over and over again. A black person dies for no reason cause of the cops. Immediately anything in his past is brought up. Stanford rapist gets brought in...boo hoo, he was an award winning swimmer. Shooter gets brought in...oh, poor kid was bullied and he was mentally ill.

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yeah I've been following this, he ran over and killed the guy, many many witnesses saying it was intentional, they gently bring the guy to the side and let him smoke a cigarette after he killed someone and now they probably won't even press charges. compare and contrast to how they treat someone who is protesting or breaking a curfew

[thebuzzardman]

I never once said that George Floyd should have, nor deserved to be murdered for any of the numerous crimes he committed, much less for passing a fake $20 bill! Show me where I said that!

What I am alluding to is that it seems to me that these destructive riots which negatively affect Black businesses and Black employees are misguided. The time to riot is when an innocent Black man with no record is murdered by white cops. THEN the riots begin to make sense. But to use George Floyd as the "poster man" for these hugely destructive riots which are ripping the country apart as well as punishing innocent Blacks more than Whites who have lost their businesses and their places to shop does not make sense to me.

Why decimate the very places where Blacks live and shop?

Next thing we know someone will erect a 20 foot statue honoring Mr. Floyd. If you want to build a statue then pick someone like Dr. Martin Luther King who really was trying to soothe racial tensions, and deserves to be honored.

Missing the point. Extrajudicial punishment sucks in a just society, theoretically governed by laws, no matter what. The fact it falls disproportionately on a group based on color matters, regardless of the background of the ALLEGED perpetrator.

You know, trial by jury, innocent of the particular crime until proven guilty, all that sort of stuff.

Plus, yeah, this guy had some dangerous/violent incidents in his past. I get that.
But listing out the "drug offenses". F*ck that bull. I see that f*cking bullsh*T all the time and have seen it for YEARS, in order to paint a picture of the perpertrator (who is many cases is the victim) as having a "long rap sheet".
Yeah, except for Floyd's list, two of his 2 crimes are violent and with victims (in the past), the other 4 are victimless drug crimes (oh look, also in his past). Who gives a sh*t?

And you see it with other people are arrested, the "reporting" is "oh noes, the "drug" crimes, which means the person got rolled up in some bs drug sweeps in his poor neighborhood while the police filled easy quotas around a non issue/mental health issue that society decided to be scared about instead of dealing with in a sane, compassionate and actually effective way.

Not to mention the poor people who build up "records" based on the police's over aggressive policing of "quality of life/broken window" laws.

But hey, when a society has decided to look the other way on a segment of it's population being overpoliced and used as an ATM to fund municipal budget shortfalls, what's a person to do?


I'll point out there are a number of sh*tty cops, and a HUGE issue is they are held unaccountable for bad behavior and racism. Just as big a problem is that as a society we've decided to try and "police" our way out of racial and social and mental health issues. And this is a matter of BAD POLICY, instead of BAD POLICE. Except that there are plenty of bad police too.

I respect you, bro, but you're being way too nice in even giving an explanation.

His intention was not to argue that Floyd deserved to die. So why the hell are you even digging all that stuff up? Seriously, I would like to hear a good answer.

We've seen that pattern over and over again. A black person dies for no reason cause of the cops. Immediately anything in his past is brought up. Stanford rapist gets brought in...boo hoo, he was an award winning swimmer. Shooter gets brought in...oh, poor kid was bullied and he was mentally ill.

bolded - Confused by that part as it pertains to what I wrote. Or are you referenced Doc?

I addressed the parts he brought up to highlight how they are bogus

Last paragraph - that's what I'm saying.

I think I'm just misunderstanding your post.

[KnicksGadfly]

Missing the point. Extrajudicial punishment sucks in a just society, theoretically governed by laws, no matter what. The fact it falls disproportionately on a group based on color matters, regardless of the background of the ALLEGED perpetrator.

You know, trial by jury, innocent of the particular crime until proven guilty, all that sort of stuff.

Plus, yeah, this guy had some dangerous/violent incidents in his past. I get that.
But listing out the "drug offenses". F*ck that bull. I see that f*cking bullsh*T all the time and have seen it for YEARS, in order to paint a picture of the perpertrator (who is many cases is the victim) as having a "long rap sheet".
Yeah, except for Floyd's list, two of his 2 crimes are violent and with victims (in the past), the other 4 are victimless drug crimes (oh look, also in his past). Who gives a sh*t?

And you see it with other people are arrested, the "reporting" is "oh noes, the "drug" crimes, which means the person got rolled up in some bs drug sweeps in his poor neighborhood while the police filled easy quotas around a non issue/mental health issue that society decided to be scared about instead of dealing with in a sane, compassionate and actually effective way.

Not to mention the poor people who build up "records" based on the police's over aggressive policing of "quality of life/broken window" laws.

But hey, when a society has decided to look the other way on a segment of it's population being overpoliced and used as an ATM to fund municipal budget shortfalls, what's a person to do?


I'll point out there are a number of sh*tty cops, and a HUGE issue is they are held unaccountable for bad behavior and racism. Just as big a problem is that as a society we've decided to try and "police" our way out of racial and social and mental health issues. And this is a matter of BAD POLICY, instead of BAD POLICE. Except that there are plenty of bad police too.

I respect you, bro, but you're being way too nice in even giving an explanation.

His intention was not to argue that Floyd deserved to die. So why the hell are you even digging all that stuff up? Seriously, I would like to hear a good answer.

We've seen that pattern over and over again. A black person dies for no reason cause of the cops. Immediately anything in his past is brought up. Stanford rapist gets brought in...boo hoo, he was an award winning swimmer. Shooter gets brought in...oh, poor kid was bullied and he was mentally ill.

bolded - Confused by that part as it pertains to what I wrote. Or are you referenced Doc?

I addressed the parts he brought up to highlight how they are bogus

Last paragraph - that's what I'm saying.

I think I'm just misunderstanding your post.

Yah bolded part was referring to him. If he wasn't bringing up the information to justify the murder, then there's no point to it. And if he was, then it'd still be bull****.

[thebuzzardman]

I respect you, bro, but you're being way too nice in even giving an explanation.

His intention was not to argue that Floyd deserved to die. So why the hell are you even digging all that stuff up? Seriously, I would like to hear a good answer.

We've seen that pattern over and over again. A black person dies for no reason cause of the cops. Immediately anything in his past is brought up. Stanford rapist gets brought in...boo hoo, he was an award winning swimmer. Shooter gets brought in...oh, poor kid was bullied and he was mentally ill.

bolded - Confused by that part as it pertains to what I wrote. Or are you referenced Doc?

I addressed the parts he brought up to highlight how they are bogus

Last paragraph - that's what I'm saying.

I think I'm just misunderstanding your post.

Yah bolded part was referring to him. If he wasn't bringing up the information to justify the murder, then there's no point to it. And if he was, then it'd still be bull****.

Got it, makes sense now. Thanks.

[thebuzzardman]

Not sure this belongs here, mods can move, but this really breaks down the monuments/lost cause BS well

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yeah I've been following this, he ran over and killed the guy, many many witnesses saying it was intentional, they gently bring the guy to the side and let him smoke a cigarette after he killed someone and now they probably won't even press charges. compare and contrast to how they treat someone who is protesting or breaking a curfew

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[robillionaire]

the curfew has been ended

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[Capn'O]

it doesn't matter if he had formerly murdered someone and did time for that. in this instance, he used a fake 20 dollar bill to buy cigarettes. that's it. that's the crime. not anything he did in the past. the cops who arrested him don't get to carry out sentence on that. and i'm pretty sure no matter what his criminal record was the sentence wouldn't be death. we have a legal system, he gets his day in court. or should have. even if they say he was resisting, again, the sentence on that doesn't get to be doled out by the arresting officer. so even if you think he's a so called "bad guy", it doesn't matter. a court decides his punishment.

somebody had to go and say something to get me involved in this thread, and i've been here long enough to know better.

Yup. And if he had been tased or otherwise subdued, thrown in the car, and charged there would be literally no outcry.

He could've been Tasered and died as a result because of the other medications/drugs he had in his system. I'm not an expert in Tasers, but I've seen enough lawsuits and read enough articles to know that it is not the panacea that many in law enforcement and government thought it would be.

How about the cops just issuing Floyd a citation to appear in "community court" and maybe try and de-escalate the situation? Everybody's always weaponing the police over stupid shyt that the police are not trained to do. The guy got taken for $20? LOL, oh, so what makes him special? I guess he never got taken in a drug deal? There are just certain "costs of doing business" in life. One day you lose you wallet with $100 in it. Three days later you find it in your driveway with everything but the $100 in it. Oh well. You can either move on and forget about it or call the fcking cops to help you solve this crime.

The store owner has even gone public saying that he wised that he had never called the police over this incident and vowed never to call them again for something so trivial.

Agreed with all. I was introducing a low bar to avoid backlash, not best practice.

[Jalen Bluntson]

If we would use their pension fund to settle the police brutality lawsuits, we’d see a drastic decrease in the abuse.

This is actually a brilliant suggestion. Cops would think 10x before being power tripping jerkoffs!

That was one of my ideas. Use their pensions and take them hostage in any instance of police brutality. Other option I was thinking of is requiring every police department to purchase liability insurance and especially use it to cover any settlements/judgments paid to the families of victims of police brutality.... that might be more constitutional than using pension funds to do that.... but probably equally complicated.

NYC uses CompStat to evaluate officers, but that system is heavily flawed.

Constitutional? Cops are paid with tax money. Their pensions should be fair game if they violate anyone's rights. They should be forfeit IMO but...using them to pay the person they violated isn't a bad idea. Either way...they should be on the table in this discussion.

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[Fat Kat]

Hmmm, appears that our "hero" was not exactly a model citizen.

According to Daily Mail (UK), the court report mentions that the victim identified George, tallest of all the robbers, who pressed a pistol to her stomach and forced his way into the house. George Floyd’s height was 6 foot 6 inches.

‘THIS LARGE SUSPECT THEN PROCEEDED TO SEARCH THE RESIDENCE WHILE ANOTHER ARMED SUSPECT GUARDED THE COMPLAINANT, WHO WAS STRUCK IN THE HEAD AND SIDES BY THIS SECOND ARMED SUSPECT WITH HIS PISTOL WHILE SHE SCREAMED FOR HELP.’

Hennepin County medical examiners released the toxicology report on June 2nd, 2020 which stated that George Floyd was indeed intoxicated with Fentanyl, Methamphetamine, and traces of cannabinoids and morphine at the time of his death.

George Floyd Baggie: Cocaine Arrests
George was also linked to two convictions in the 1990s for possession and theft of a controlled substance (cocaine). However, it is not clear whether or not Floyd served his time in prison for this felony.

George was accused of a firearm robbery in August 1998 for which he served 10 months at Harris County Jail. In April 2002, Floyd was condemned to 30 days of prison for trespassing private property.

George Floyd was involved in two more cocaine offenses, in October 2002 and in 2004, for which he did eight-months and ten-months sentence in prison respectively.

Another cocaine possession conviction in Dec 2005, Floyd was arrested for having cocaine on him and served 10 months in state jail.

After a few months, Floyd’s charge was upgraded, amending the cocaine amount he possessed to be about 4 grams.

Doc im disappointed in this post by you...

you ever get addicted to drugs?

Him posting this should not be a surprise or disappointment to anyone. It’s a pattern and not subtle in the least.

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[Clyde_Style]

Well done

I'm a racist because I advocate a unified, peaceful response

I'm "WHITEY"

Bravo

nobody even said that. your fragility is showing.

go re-watch the entire 51 minute jane elliott blue eye brown eye experiment on youtube take a deep breath and come back

He's not being "fragile". Don't bring in bogus modern day loaded twitter-justice words.

He's having an opinion on what he feels the outcome on the part of middle of the road whites would be to TOO MUCH rioting (not protesting) based, not on "who is allowed to do what on my say so/opinion" because of his ethnicity, but based on his opinion of how those middle class whites will react based on on informed opinion of reading about, being around those kinds of people and people who's nature is worse.

Pretty sure his stance is similar to mine, but not the same. People can take whatever approach they want in the protests, based on the events in their life that got them there, and the complete and total righteousness of the cause.

Basically every poster in this thread is in massive total agreement on that.

But back to how those middle of the road whites in mid America will react:

The way those middle of the road whites will start to react, more and more, is to decide to pull the lever for Trump.
And could very well be the difference between Trump getting re-elected or not.
Because LOTS of those middle of the road whites live in those middle of countryish states that are more than middling in their electoral college vote impact on the election.

Oh, and anyone who has any set of opinions that lead them to "well, these actions supersede if Trump gets elected or not", can have that opinion too, all day long.

*not implying any stance on the protests/riots implies caring/not caring if Trump is re-elected. Just that if someone wants to feel that way, that's their right*


This, on my part, ISN'T A LECTURE on what PEOPLE CAN OR CAN'T DO, based on, well anything.
It's an opinion.
I think it's based on a pretty solid understanding of the situation and these people, knowing a BUNCH of them (courtesy of that white neighborhood blue color NYC upbringing and time in the army and still having old white relatives still alive)

I'm with the protestors
I "get" some of the rioting, conceptually, in what it might bring
It doesn't take too much rioting (yes, enough perpetrated by outsiders, doesn't matter) past day one of the protests to start driving people to a Trump vote.

People can support your entire opinion and cause and disagree with a piece and have an opinion of it and be an ally, hopefully without being painted a certain way to completely dismiss them.

You could argue that Clyde, and then, I guess, me, are showing too much concern about how this can play with middle fence votes re Trump and what's happening now supersedes those considerations, without resorting to takedowns.

Maybe we ARE too concerned with four more years of Trump. Let's roll those dice. It shouldn't be so bad if he gets back in...

Thanks Buzz, you're a good man

Yes, I am the one who repeats that beating Trump is the overriding issue because if we don't everything else is dust, so I'll basically harass those I'm fundamentally on the same side with and shake them hard repeatedly if I see them losing sight of the forest for the trees

I'm brusque about it and it may make me unpopular, but the archetype of Cassandra is foremost in my mind at all times. There is very little time left before we lose everything.

We fuq this up and we will condemn generations of future children to environmental devastation, fascist oppression and racial genocide.

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND. You do things that re-elect Trump then you're part of the problem, not the solution. People need to stop kidding themselves and deal with the only reality facing us which is us or them. There is no other pathway. This is it.

OK, Thank you Buzz

Peace Out

[Clyde_Style]

Yes, I was "minimally addicted" back in the 60's. I attended the original "Woodstock" in 1969 and it was pretty hard to avoid the stuff back then. A year or so later I quit all of them, including organic mescaline, dubbed the best 8 hour stomach ache you could ever have, which had been my favorite. So since the early seventies I'm clean. Don't drink, don't smoke, exercise every day and hope to live till 111.

Thanks for confessing. We'll be sending the riot police to take you in for your former crimes against humanity, partaking in the drugs and drug culture that tore America apart in the 1960's. Surely, just as George Floyds heinous drug crimes made him a legitimate target for death, you won't mind heading to the chair for your similar crimes. Thank you for being of the solution.

I never once said that George Floyd should have, nor deserved to be murdered for any of the numerous crimes he committed, much less for passing a fake $20 bill! Show me where I said that!

What I am alluding to is that it seems to me that these destructive riots which negatively affect Black businesses and Black employees are misguided. The time to riot is when an innocent Black man with no record is murdered by white cops. THEN the riots begin to make sense. But to use George Floyd as the "poster man" for these hugely destructive riots which are ripping the country apart as well as punishing innocent Blacks more than Whites who have lost their businesses and their places to shop does not make sense to me.

Why decimate the very places where Blacks live and shop?

Next thing we know someone will erect a 20 foot statue honoring Mr. Floyd. If you want to build a statue then pick someone like Dr. Martin Luther King who really was trying to soothe racial tensions, and deserves to be honored.

The looters devastated parts of their own neighborhoods, but also commercial districts, so they've been looting in general, not just their backyard. It is often very young people. The majority of the pack of looters in Soho in the video I watched looked to be at least 75% black, 16-22 in age mostly, with a few whites joining in. These kids came in on bikes from other parts of the city to loot.

I don't think you really intended to say George Floyd deserved what he got. People jumped on you because you probably failed to contextualize why you brought up his criminal past. Of course, that doesn't justify anything about what the cop did to him. I believe you when you say you didn't mean that. It was just a failure of communication and people should be able to forgive you for that.

His criminal past is kind of irrelevant though. His death lit the fuse and he will always be symbolic for many people because he suffered a fate nobody deserves, everybody saw it and it has happened too many times.

Sometimes thieves get elevated to sainthood because of circumstances. It doesn't mean people protesting condone anything criminal because he may have done some criminal things. People are protesting because he's a black man and a human being who deserved better in spite of anything he did in his past.

You're picking the wrong fight IMO. I fight over things, but in this case my advice is to let this one go, because you're missing the bigger picture if you think this is about lionizing a hero. It is not. It is because at some point we all are or could be the person in George Floyd's place, especially now that the cops have gone militia on everybody regardless of race.

When the jihadi's killed the staff of Charlie Hebdo in Paris the French started printing, writing and wearing the statement "We are Charlie" not because they necessarily read their publication, but because it was just wrong. In that sense, we are George.

I hope that helps

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[awe1028]

This is chilling the fact the cops can just start rounding people up just for filming them. I hope I'm wrong about this but I don't think this is going to end well for protesters. The police know the whole world is watching and they are still doing violating people's rights. This tells me the police do not care and more importantly the local government in Seattle doesn't care. At some point as the protests continue I could see the government saying forget this and giving the police permission to break some skulls. I hope I am wrong but this is how I see this thing all unfolding. CRUSH ALL DISSENT