Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[knickstape21]

Jazz fan (temporary Wolves bandwagon) coming in peace.

What, if anything would Knicks fans be willing to add to Fournier/Barrett/IQ in terms of picks? I'd much prefer a clear center piece coming back to Utah (RJ) than the pile of picks versions. Would you be willing to do something like NY '23 and then ~2 of the 1sts you've got from other places or is that too much to ask? Gives up RJ, but allows y'all to keep your own picks going forward.

Maybe it makes more sense for us to spread out the picks? Dal '23, NY '24, MIL '25?

Sorry, but you’re not getting RJ Barrett. Our goal is to pair him with Mitchell and Brunson.

[KnixinSix]

Latest from Hahn:

Still nothing new on the Donovan Mitchell trade front. After a wild day of speculation on Thursday, nothing materialized. I will say this, however, the Knicks are not interested in giving up a huge pick package AND sending a group of prospects as well. I've often been advised to look at the Gobert trade -- the player swap was relatively minimal -- as a foundation of a deal.

So the stalemate isn't on the picks, it's on the players.

Wouldn't that mean the opposite? If the player swap wasn't an important piece of the deal, the picks and swaps would be the hold up

Not if Ainge is being a bit stubborn or greedy. Knicks might be like this to Ainge... 'Look we are giving up the picks we know that is the most important peice for your vision of a rebuild. We aren't going to give you too many of our best young players too.'

[Jimmit79]

Jazz fan (temporary Wolves bandwagon) coming in peace.

What, if anything would Knicks fans be willing to add to Fournier/Barrett/IQ in terms of picks? I'd much prefer a clear center piece coming back to Utah (RJ) than the pile of picks versions. Would you be willing to do something like NY '23 and then ~2 of the 1sts you've got from other places or is that too much to ask? Gives up RJ, but allows y'all to keep your own picks going forward.

Maybe it makes more sense for us to spread out the picks? Dal '23, NY '24, MIL '25?

I would do RJ plus those 3 picks asap but I'm not giving up IQ.

[Buttah304]

Still don’t want to give up a massive haul for Donovan but I will say this. If we are giving up Grimes in a deal, but seemingly draw the line at Obi we simply have to pray his last few games of the prior season was a glimpse of what’s to come.

I say this because if Obi comes out of the gate shooting 28% 3PT, with the same shaky handles as last season, in addition to those wild layup attempts that never had a shot at falling while blowing assignments on defense…this board might fully implode in ways we haven’t seen before

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Obi's PER 36 numbers are almost identical to his numbers when he got to start, it's actually kind of funny how close they are. He doesn't need to be some sniper as a shooter, all he needs to be is 34-38% from three, and he shot 35% from three over a 45 game stretch. Advanced stats like him, and at a time when forwards are valuable people here want to get rid of one that may actually be good if given the starting job.

The Hornets haven't even pulled Miles Bridges qualifying offer yet, that is how valuable these dudes are.

IF the Knicks are going to keep Randle and keep him for several years (not a given), but IF, and then Obi kind of gets capped at 20 mpg at best, then can't Paschall provide what Obi does (a variation, I get not the exact same kind of player) at least statistically0, in that 15-18 mpg role?

Obviously the issue here that Obi could reach his potential and blow up with minutes, but it's on another team

Randle isn't going to work with two ball dominant guards, especially since both of them are elite pick and roll players, any front office should just be able to look at Randle's game by now and see that. The underlying problem with the Paschall idea is what happens if/when Randle doesn't work, then what? You have no fall back plan, Paschall is not a starter and doesn't ever project out to being one, people want to criticize Obi for not being able to get minutes, well Paschall couldn't win minutes over Rudy Gay, Royce O'neale or Bo Cruz (Juancho).

This team should not be trading the only other PF on the roster with such uncertainty over Randle. Limited ways to restock the cupboard.

[iLLmatic860]

Still don’t want to give up a massive haul for Donovan but I will say this. If we are giving up Grimes in a deal, but seemingly draw the line at Obi we simply have to pray his last few games of the prior season was a glimpse of what’s to come.

I say this because if Obi comes out of the gate shooting 28% 3PT, with the same shaky handles as last season, in addition to those wild layup attempts that never had a shot at falling while blowing assignments on defense…this board might fully implode in ways we haven’t seen before

Yea I love Obi but Grimes is the future

But something tells me we are trying to keep Obi. In Brunsons press release. There was that video which had Brunson throwing oops to Obi and Mitch

[Ghetto Gospel]

down to give juancho a shot, after watching hustle, he looks like he can play

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Obi's PER 36 numbers are almost identical to his numbers when he got to start, it's actually kind of funny how close they are. He doesn't need to be some sniper as a shooter, all he needs to be is 34-38% from three, and he shot 35% from three over a 45 game stretch. Advanced stats like him, and at a time when forwards are valuable people here want to get rid of one that may actually be good if given the starting job.

The Hornets haven't even pulled Miles Bridges qualifying offer yet, that is how valuable these dudes are.

that's cause they're scumbags

Gersson Rosas is one of our advisors.

[iLLmatic860]

Obi's PER 36 numbers are almost identical to his numbers when he got to start, it's actually kind of funny how close they are. He doesn't need to be some sniper as a shooter, all he needs to be is 34-38% from three, and he shot 35% from three over a 45 game stretch. Advanced stats like him, and at a time when forwards are valuable people here want to get rid of one that may actually be good if given the starting job.

The Hornets haven't even pulled Miles Bridges qualifying offer yet, that is how valuable these dudes are.

that's cause they're scumbags

Gersson Rosas is one of our advisors.

What did Rosas do that was so bad again? Didn't he just have sex in his office?. Not nearly as bad as what Miles did

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Latest from Hahn:

Still nothing new on the Donovan Mitchell trade front. After a wild day of speculation on Thursday, nothing materialized. I will say this, however, the Knicks are not interested in giving up a huge pick package AND sending a group of prospects as well. I've often been advised to look at the Gobert trade -- the player swap was relatively minimal -- as a foundation of a deal.

So the stalemate isn't on the picks, it's on the players.

Wouldn't that mean the opposite? If the player swap wasn't an important piece of the deal, the picks and swaps would be the hold up

Not if Ainge is being a bit stubborn or greedy. Knicks might be like this to Ainge... 'Look we are giving up the picks we know that is the most important peice for your vision of a rebuild. We aren't going to give you too many of our best young players too.'

Ainge really wanted Jaden mcdaniels from Minny which I don’t know. Maybe it’s burning him that he got zero players from MN that are considered future franchise pieces for a star player. Ainge is getting all of the back pats for “fleecing”(lol) MN from the national media…but he realizes a rebuild is a 5-10 year process, minimum, if he doesn’t hit on their picks. And right now when/if Mitchell is gone, he’s got like walker Kessler and Jared Vanderbilt that’s considered their young talent

I think he’s being stubborn. He knows he can’t go into the season with Mitchell and I’d figure the longer this drags, the lighter the picks the Knicks want to give up.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

that's cause they're scumbags

Gersson Rosas is one of our advisors.

What did Rosas do that was so bad again? Didn't he just have sex in his office?. Not nearly as bad as what Miles did

Not nearly as bad, but bad enough to get fired after fixing what Thibs did.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Obi's PER 36 numbers are almost identical to his numbers when he got to start, it's actually kind of funny how close they are. He doesn't need to be some sniper as a shooter, all he needs to be is 34-38% from three, and he shot 35% from three over a 45 game stretch. Advanced stats like him, and at a time when forwards are valuable people here want to get rid of one that may actually be good if given the starting job.

The Hornets haven't even pulled Miles Bridges qualifying offer yet, that is how valuable these dudes are.

that's cause they're scumbags

Gersson Rosas is one of our advisors.

unprofessional, but it isn't criminal, it's not even close to miles bridges

[NoDopeOnSundays]

that's cause they're scumbags

Gersson Rosas is one of our advisors.

unprofessional, but it isn't criminal, it's not even close to miles bridges

Miles Bridges isn't part of the Hornets front office, is he?

[Ghetto Gospel]

Gersson Rosas is one of our advisors.

unprofessional, but it isn't criminal, it's not even close to miles bridges

Miles Bridges isn't part of the Hornets front office, is he?

no, but would it matter if he was? he should get dropped regardless of whether he's a player or pobo

[Clyde_Style]

Still don’t want to give up a massive haul for Donovan but I will say this. If we are giving up Grimes in a deal, but seemingly draw the line at Obi we simply have to pray his last few games of the prior season was a glimpse of what’s to come.

I say this because if Obi comes out of the gate shooting 28% 3PT, with the same shaky handles as last season, in addition to those wild layup attempts that never had a shot at falling while blowing assignments on defense…this board might fully implode in ways we haven’t seen before

Sure, being able to hit threes at over 35% is important to Obi's future, but that is a hugely secondary aspect of his game and the value he brings

Obi is the kind of player who can easily get you an extra 10 points per game that literally would never happen with anyone else on the roster. There are leakouts and fast breaks and back doors and they are often the kinds of scores that break open games. Those opportunism points would often be the margin of victory or more. Points you would not get from anyone else.

[GONYK]

Rosas is a very competent basketball decision maker.

It seems personal relationships are an area for improvement.

[eminence]

Jazz fan (temporary Wolves bandwagon) coming in peace.

What, if anything would Knicks fans be willing to add to Fournier/Barrett/IQ in terms of picks? I'd much prefer a clear center piece coming back to Utah (RJ) than the pile of picks versions. Would you be willing to do something like NY '23 and then ~2 of the 1sts you've got from other places or is that too much to ask? Gives up RJ, but allows y'all to keep your own picks going forward.

Maybe it makes more sense for us to spread out the picks? Dal '23, NY '24, MIL '25?

i mean it sounds like barrett isn’t even an option for the jazz since ainge doesn’t want to take on the responsibility of giving barrett his next contract. but hypothetically if he were in the deal i’d def give up less picks. i’d be willing to add maybe 4 picks max at that point

Also, seems unlikely as RJ getting better becomes one of the Knicks few paths to upgrading the roster if he develops. Also, he's due an extension, which Ainge doesn't seem to want. While the extension puts more money on the Knicks cap, at least it's expanding it from within via a drafted player, instead of trying to trade for 25 million by sending player X out. I mean, it matters if RJ is good at 25 million or whatever, but the cap growing from inside AFTER adding a star like Mitchell is better than trying to add another after the fact.

I imagine the realistic path to improving the squad at that point would be hoping in a season or two to trade Randle++ for a difference maker. Alternatively some small hope for Toppin/Grimes/Reddish/whoever among the lower tier prospects to develop. Last would be to hit on one of the picks saved by dealing RJ instead of all/most of the picks, but that'd be pretty lucky with a mid 1st/later pick to have them develop fast enough for that timeline even if they did become a good player down the road.

Anywho, the consensus seems to be no/low interest in dealing RJ, which I understand, he's pretty much the only guy that gets me interested in the deal for Utah, it makes sense he's your favorite too.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

unprofessional, but it isn't criminal, it's not even close to miles bridges

Miles Bridges isn't part of the Hornets front office, is he?

no, but would it matter if he was? he should get dropped regardless of whether he's a player or pobo

Lets not be naive here, if he were dropped and got a plea deal that kept him out of prison, this board would have him penciled into the starting lineup before he even leaves county lockup.


We had Jason Kidd.

[Iron Mantis]

True story. A Knicks PF receives the ball out near the 3pt line and a 6'-4" defender is switched on to him. One scenario: two different results.

1. Knick's PF automatically switches into tunnel vision "I must shoot this ball no matter WHAT because mismatch!". The smaller guy is a good defender and holds his ground....Knicks PF is hell-bent on trying to dribble past the defender and turns it over.....or tries to back him down, fails, and forces & bricks a contested long 2 with one or two defenders in his face... or realizes he can't get a comfortable shot after completely running down the shot clock and finally passes it with 3 seconds left: shot clock violation or bailout air ball.

2. In the same situation, a different Knicks PF, aware of his limitations, simply passes the ball with no hesitation and looks to move without the ball towards the paint for a quick score...or passes it and the ball quickly finds its way to a guard that has a big switched on to him. Guard torches the big and scores easily, or collapses the defense, resulting in a Knicks high percentage shot in the paint or wide open 3 ball and the Knicks score.

The same scenario plays out multiple times during the course of the game....

Who is PF in outcome #1 and who is PF in outcome #2?

[GONYK]

Miles Bridges isn't part of the Hornets front office, is he?

no, but would it matter if he was? he should get dropped regardless of whether he's a player or pobo

Lets not be naive here, if he were dropped and got a plea deal that kept him out of prison, this board would have him penciled into the starting lineup before he even leaves county lockup.


We had Jason Kidd.

We traded for Rose in the middle of a sexual assault trial