Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2

[prophet_of_rage]

I don't know how he finished the season but, at the time of his injury, JB was 7th in scoring and 8th n assists in the entire league. You can't get much better than that. The system we ran was the problem. Not the players running it.

You can get better by lowering your stats and upping wins. The system was JB decides what he wants to do with the ball. So he needs to make better choices that includes his teammates.

Look at JB on the FIBA team. Different system and he struggled because they already had a better isolation scorer.

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better choices than being near the top of the entire league in scoring and assists? Hilarious.

Yes. Would you rather have stats or wins? Sometimes you have to sacrifice shots and go lower to have a better team. You find that hilarious?

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[thebuzzardman]

You can get better by lowering your stats and upping wins. The system was JB decides what he wants to do with the ball. So he needs to make better choices that includes his teammates.

Look at JB on the FIBA team. Different system and he struggled because they already had a better isolation scorer.

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better choices than being near the top of the entire league in scoring and assists? Hilarious.

Yes. Would you rather have stats or wins? Sometimes you have to sacrifice shots and go lower to have a better team. You find that hilarious?

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Ah yes, Brunson is everything wrong with the Knicks. Brought you by the guy who complained when people gave Randle sh*t.

[Jalen Bluntson]

You can get better by lowering your stats and upping wins. The system was JB decides what he wants to do with the ball. So he needs to make better choices that includes his teammates.

Look at JB on the FIBA team. Different system and he struggled because they already had a better isolation scorer.

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better choices than being near the top of the entire league in scoring and assists? Hilarious.

Yes. Would you rather have stats or wins? Sometimes you have to sacrifice shots and go lower to have a better team. You find that hilarious?

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I find the idea of you acting like there's a flaw in the player (who was better at both scoring and assisting than almost the ENTIRE league) being a problem hilarious. The coaching was terrible. It's why we are looking for a new HC.

[thebuzzardman]

I’m just glad Thibs isn’t around anymore to enable Brunson’s team wrecking style of play. More proof Thibs had to go!

[GONYK]

better choices than being near the top of the entire league in scoring and assists? Hilarious.

Yes. Would you rather have stats or wins? Sometimes you have to sacrifice shots and go lower to have a better team. You find that hilarious?

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Ah yes, Brunson is everything wrong with the Knicks. Brought you by the guy who complained when people gave Randle sh*t.

No need for this. Engage the post honestly and don't go after the poster.

[stuporman]

Is someone's opinion the person themselves? Asking for a friend....who is just an opinion and feels personally attacked when someone criticizes the take.

[Capn'O]

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Mook was spot on all the way around.

no lineup variations, very few defensive scheme adjustments throughout the year.

For the next coach, winning in the regular season is important. But trying to find different variations to maximize the roster and rotations will be even more important.

So that when the time comes in the playoffs we aren't switching up schemes and lineups with no experience.

This was my biggest issue with Thibs. We didn't have familiarity with Plan B when Plan A failed. Plan A is a good plan but not the end all be all.

[mpharris36]

Mook was spot on all the way around.

no lineup variations, very few defensive scheme adjustments throughout the year.

For the next coach, winning in the regular season is important. But trying to find different variations to maximize the roster and rotations will be even more important.

So that when the time comes in the playoffs we aren't switching up schemes and lineups with no experience.

This was my biggest issue with Thibs. We didn't have familiarity with Plan B when Plan A failed. Plan A is a good plan but not the end all be all.

you can't wait until the playoffs to panic and throw sh*t up against the wall and hope it sticks. There is so much time during the regular season to open up rotations, try new defensive schemes out, find ways to maximize the entire roster so that when the games really do matter the most people are ready to step in and contribute because they have repetition.

[Jalen Bluntson]

no lineup variations, very few defensive scheme adjustments throughout the year.

For the next coach, winning in the regular season is important. But trying to find different variations to maximize the roster and rotations will be even more important.

So that when the time comes in the playoffs we aren't switching up schemes and lineups with no experience.

This was my biggest issue with Thibs. We didn't have familiarity with Plan B when Plan A failed. Plan A is a good plan but not the end all be all.

you can't wait until the playoffs to panic and throw sh*t up against the wall and hope it sticks. There is so much time during the regular season to open up rotations, try new defensive schemes out, find ways to maximize the entire roster so that when the games really do matter the most people are ready to step in and contribute because they have repetition.

Especially after waiting all year until Jalen went down. Then we were forced to use the bench and they played well enough. Mikal played great. OG played great. Kolek showed he could play a little. Wright looked solid enough. Etc. Then when Jalen came back, we went right back to short rotations and ISO Jalen offense again. Until 15 games into the playoffs.

[Capn'O]

I was just looking at Mikal's career FTr to talk **** in Hamsterdam. A little higher than I expected over the course of his career. So, while looking through his seasons I noticed a statistical anomaly. Can you spot it?

2018-19 - 0.21
2019-20 - 0.252
2020-21 - 0.196
2021-22 - 0.183
2022-23 - 0.279
2023-24 - 0.245
2024-25 - 0.1

Like, holy ****, what were we doing with this guy? Whose FTr goes down by a factor of 2/3???

No wonder this dude reached a boil. We were using him like a fragile Kyle Korver on offense.

[BKlutch]

I was just looking at Mikal's career FTr to talk **** in Hamsterdam. A little higher than I expected over the course of his career. So, while looking through his seasons I noticed a statistical anomaly. Can you spot it?

2018-19 - 0.21
2019-20 - 0.252
2020-21 - 0.196
2021-22 - 0.183
2022-23 - 0.279
2023-24 - 0.245
2024-25 - 0.1

Like, holy ****, what were we doing with this guy? Whose FTr goes down by a factor of 2/3???

No wonder this dude reached a boil. We were using him like a fragile Kyle Korver on offense.

Keeping Mikal away from contact was the only way we could hope to play him 24/7 40 minutes a game, for 82+ games.

[BKlutch]

New REVELATIONS

We can't reveal our source, but please just take it on faith that this is 100% true.

In the days following his firing, Thomas Thibodeau felt lost and abandoned. Unable to comprehend his situation, Tom got down on his knees and started praying.

Thibs: "Why have I been forsaken? Why did you let this happen to me? I gave you all I had -- wasn't that enough for you to love me and keep me in your grace?"

A booming voice replied, "Take heart, Thomas. It is the same now as in Ancient Times. Moses was told he would bring his people to the Promised Land, but never reach it himself. You were never destined to win a chip, but your team will get there after you've departed."

Thibs replied:

Spoiler:

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"Thanks, Leon!"

[MrDollarBills]

This was my biggest issue with Thibs. We didn't have familiarity with Plan B when Plan A failed. Plan A is a good plan but not the end all be all.

you can't wait until the playoffs to panic and throw sh*t up against the wall and hope it sticks. There is so much time during the regular season to open up rotations, try new defensive schemes out, find ways to maximize the entire roster so that when the games really do matter the most people are ready to step in and contribute because they have repetition.

Especially after waiting all year until Jalen went down. Then we were forced to use the bench and they played well enough. Mikal played great. OG played great. Kolek showed he could play a little. Wright looked solid enough. Etc. Then when Jalen came back, we went right back to short rotations and ISO Jalen offense again. Until 15 games into the playoffs.

A light should have went off that said, hey if we play the bench and share the ball, we look really good.

Instead, everything reset. No bench. Stagnant iso ball. OG looked more engaged when Brunson was out than he did all playoffs. Probably not a coincidence. I'm sure his year end review was glowing.

It was inexplicable.

[F N 11]

Still can’t believe they did it.

[Fat Kat]

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[BKlutch]

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This is really a comprehensive and reasonable look at what led to Thibs' firing. I can only assume Leon is smart enough to know all this and more.

[MrDollarBills]

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This is really a comprehensive and reasonable look at what led to Thibs' firing. I can only assume Leon is smart enough to know all this and more.

https://www.thestrick.land/strick/the-knicks-broke-up-with-tom-thibodeau-before-he-broke-their-heart

This article breaks down where everything went wrong.

The Knicks began the year blitzing teams by taking advantage of KAT and Brunson mismatches and an unstoppable KAT/JB pick and roll – until January, where teams decided to ignore Josh Hart for 30-plus minutes a game to have centers their clog the lane. The strategy was put New York’s fifth starter, Hart, on the ball far more, effectively making him the secondary initiator. He was proficient for stretches, but the new acquisitions suffered. Bridges’ most efficient play-type, as a pick-and-roll ball handler, became a teeny tiny part of his offense, while Towns 3-point volume plummeted. Despite prolific efficiency numbers and a well-deserved All-NBA selection, many analytics had KAT’s offensive impact as more muted compared to his prior seasons playing center in Minnesota.

I implore everyone, regardless of how you feel about Tom, to read this article and discuss. Some of the things mentioned here i was screaming about since the New Year.

[Kidknick!]

Still basking in the afterglow of the firing. Knicks did the right thing. As all these reports are coming out and player testimony can confirm.

He was an ALBATROSS.

Much like Randle was, this is addition by subtraction.

[Barcs]

better choices than being near the top of the entire league in scoring and assists? Hilarious.

Yes. Would you rather have stats or wins? Sometimes you have to sacrifice shots and go lower to have a better team. You find that hilarious?

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Ah yes, Brunson is everything wrong with the Knicks. Brought you by the guy who complained when people gave Randle sh*t.

I think they are just saying that Brunson could be a little bit better, not that he's the problem.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Yes. Would you rather have stats or wins? Sometimes you have to sacrifice shots and go lower to have a better team. You find that hilarious?

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Ah yes, Brunson is everything wrong with the Knicks. Brought you by the guy who complained when people gave Randle sh*t.

I think they are just saying that Brunson could be a little bit better, not that he's the problem.

No. They're saying he's selfish. Which is nonsense.