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Post#1081 » by Tension » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:52 am

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Manhattan Project wrote:This has been quite the tournament thus far this year, upsets all over. Damn exciting basketball...

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Guys I'm keeping a close eye on:
Terrence Jones: Will he ever wake up?
North Carolina: Barnes and Zeller have been playing fantastic, Barnes top three pick again?
Arizona: Williams keeps getting it done at the line.
UConn: Can Kemba make ASU turn it over?
Florida: Strong play here on out might mean Patric Young could be a lotto.


I don't see 3 better players than Barnes. He's 2nd to me to Kyrie Irving, but that's it. He's a monster.

SDSU is a really tough matchup for Walker. They can put someone like Kawhi Leonard on Walker, and
have his length really disrupt what Walker's trying to do.


Sully and Williams are arguable. Williams has just been an absolute beast this year and can probably contribute off the bat compared to Barnes' development.
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Post#1082 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:11 am

Tension wrote:Sully and Williams are arguable. Williams has just been an absolute beast this year and can probably contribute off the bat compared to Barnes' development.


Barnes is more ready than you think. Already a lights out shooter and excellent midrange game...

Some teams' stupidity just never ceases to amaze me. Syracuse just threw the game away with all their mindboggling turnovers. Much respect to Boeheim, great coach and everything, but constant mental lapses are a stable for his teams. Rick Barnes' team also flames out early, who would have thought...
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Post#1083 » by Knicksfan20 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:45 am

Joey Rodriguez, spanish dude from VCU really had a great game yesturday. Really impressed me with his quickness/toughness/court vision/passing.
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Post#1084 » by Jmonty580 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:40 pm

Really dissappointed me, i thought the big east was alot stronger. Ofcourse the tournament is one game and done and all it takes is one bad game and your team is going home. ND, PITT, and Cuse shoudl all still be in this tournament, I dont know what in the world happened. Plus the Big east beat up on itself a little. Marquette beat Cuse, Uconn beat Cinncy.

Louisville was the biggest let down. Pitt I still dont understand it... ND shoulda coasted... G-town smh they should still be in this this. St. Johns I never belived in.


Good thing for me the only team i REALLY care about in the big east is Uconn and we are still in this. I like our chances against San diego st. and if Duke advances.. welll we've done well against Duke specifically in the tournament in the past. It would be an interesting game to say the least.
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Post#1085 » by hobojoe2131 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:03 pm

Tension wrote:
hobojoe2131 wrote:
Manhattan Project wrote:This has been quite the tournament thus far this year, upsets all over. Damn exciting basketball...

ITS A BTP
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Guys I'm keeping a close eye on:
Terrence Jones: Will he ever wake up?
North Carolina: Barnes and Zeller have been playing fantastic, Barnes top three pick again?
Arizona: Williams keeps getting it done at the line.
UConn: Can Kemba make ASU turn it over?
Florida: Strong play here on out might mean Patric Young could be a lotto.


I don't see 3 better players than Barnes. He's 2nd to me to Kyrie Irving, but that's it. He's a monster.

SDSU is a really tough matchup for Walker. They can put someone like Kawhi Leonard on Walker, and
have his length really disrupt what Walker's trying to do.


Sully and Williams are arguable. Williams has just been an absolute beast this year and can probably contribute off the bat compared to Barnes' development.


I'll put Williams in there with the top 3, but I personally don't think Sullinger is going to be a good pro.
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Post#1086 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:40 pm

hobojoe2131 wrote:I'll put Williams in there with the top 3, but I personally don't think Sullinger is going to be a good pro.


Me neither. Now I think he can find his place as a good rebounder, banger inside but he will never be a dominant force down low in the pros. Not athletic enough and his size will not be a factor against much bigger NBA competition. He looks overweight to me, too, btw. Dont get me wrong, I think he is a good kid and a very good player but in a deeper draft he wouldnt come close to the top three picks. I actually thought the Elton Brand comparison by Seth Davis was pretty solid in terms of Sullinger's max potential.

Overall I'm not surprised by the Tourney and that some prominent teams have gone down already. The year was really dominated by a lot of parity and now it shows in a very evenly matched Tourney. In terms of the Big East, I think a lot of their teams are just as vulnerable as many other teams. Especially the top teams this year. Everybody knew that Pitt had trouble with consistency, Syracuse hasnt been a smart team for years and their zone as good as it is makes them vulnerable for good shooting nights and Notre Dame with their burn offense was also much too reliant on the three pointer. Then you pair that with coaches who have questionable Tourney resumes like Brey and Dixon and then you get what you see now. I think the matchups actually were in their favor.

BTW I talked about Boeheim a couple of posts ago. Now I know a lot of people from the Cuse and he is obviously a god up there. What do you guys think about him?!? I think he gets a lot of talent but with the players he has he should have more consistent success year in and year out. Somehow I think he is a bit overrated. Sure, great career and everything but when I think some of his numbers are inflated due to longetivity... am I wrong??!
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Post#1087 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:38 pm

BTW I dont recall as many crushing interviews where players just break down in front of the cameras. Kalin Lucas, Nasir Robinson, Brown, Pullen... man, it is so tough on these kids. Their dream and many times their careers end in front of the world and while we move on to the next game and cheer for the next upset, they are left thinking about coming up short for the rest of their lifes...
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Post#1088 » by hobojoe2131 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:44 pm

Flaming Mo wrote:BTW I dont recall as many crushing interviews where players just break down in front of the cameras. Kalin Lucas, Nasir Robinson, Brown, Pullen... man, it is so tough on these kids. Their dream and many times their careers end in front of the world and while we move on to the next game and cheer for the next upset, they are left thinking about coming up short for the rest of their lifes...


Yea. You can tell these guys do not want to play their last game. That's why I always pick teams with a senior core. They simply want it more.
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Post#1089 » by Manhattan Project » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:51 pm

Yeah the Big East was quite disappointing in this tournament. Pitt I was expecting more though I never liked them. Syracuse was disappointing, Georgetown and so on. St Johns went down with Kennedy.

Overall ehh.

Regarding top three picks a lot will depend on the teams.
Cavs would probably take Irving.
Kings might take Williams or Barnes.
Wolves are a wildcard IMO.
Wizards are another wildcard.
Raptors are another wildcard.

I mean look at the needs of these teams, it's hard to project at the moment.
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Post#1090 » by hobojoe2131 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:56 pm

None of those teams have an elite swingman like Barnes has the potential to be.
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Post#1091 » by Manhattan Project » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:02 pm

hobojoe2131 wrote:None of those teams have an elite swingman like Barnes has the potential to be.


It's true, only thing that would stop him this year is if he stays at UNC. Most considered him to be a one and done, but you got the whole UNC background who knows.
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Post#1092 » by Manhattan Project » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:06 pm

Bruce Pearl fired... somewhat of a shock and somewhat not at the same time.
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Post#1093 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:08 pm

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hobojoe2131 wrote:None of those teams have an elite swingman like Barnes has the potential to be.


It's true, only thing that would stop him this year is if he stays at UNC. Most considered him to be a one and done, but you got the whole UNC background who knows.


It is incredible when those top recruits decide to stay a little longer. With two more five stars studs coming in, UNC would be the immediate favorite to win it all next season. I freaking hate Roy Williams as he has never dealt with a situation where it takes more than just throw a commitment to whoever you want and he will commit. First Kansas, now UNC. Lucky bastard...
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Post#1094 » by hobojoe2131 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:15 pm

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hobojoe2131 wrote:None of those teams have an elite swingman like Barnes has the potential to be.


It's true, only thing that would stop him this year is if he stays at UNC. Most considered him to be a one and done, but you got the whole UNC background who knows.


It is incredible when those top recruits decide to stay a little longer. With two more five stars studs coming in, UNC would be the immediate favorite to win it all next season. I freaking hate Roy Williams as he has never dealt with a situation where it takes more than just throw a commitment to whoever you want and he will commit. First Kansas, now UNC. Lucky bastard...


It pisses me off. He is a below average in game coach, but he can recruit as all hell.
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Post#1095 » by Manhattan Project » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:15 pm

Flaming Mo wrote:It is incredible when those top recruits decide to stay a little longer. With two more five stars studs coming in, UNC would be the immediate favorite to win it all next season. I freaking hate Roy Williams as he has never dealt with a situation where it takes more than just throw a commitment to whoever you want and he will commit. First Kansas, now UNC. Lucky bastard...


Immediate favorite? Maybe, Kentucky and Syracuse look quite good for next year. A lot will depend on what Henson and Zeller do, if they both come back as well then I agree their the team to beat. McAdoo and Hairston do look good and coming off the bench they could be the piece that wins it all for them.
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Manhattan Project wrote:
hobojoe2131 wrote:None of those teams have an elite swingman like Barnes has the potential to be.


It's true, only thing that would stop him this year is if he stays at UNC. Most considered him to be a one and done, but you got the whole UNC background who knows.


It is incredible when those top recruits decide to stay a little longer. With two more five stars studs coming in, UNC would be the immediate favorite to win it all next season. I freaking hate Roy Williams as he has never dealt with a situation where it takes more than just throw a commitment to whoever you want and he will commit. First Kansas, now UNC. Lucky bastard...


Lets not forget about John Calipari either.
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Post#1097 » by Manhattan Project » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:17 pm

hobojoe2131 wrote:It pisses me off. He is a below average in game coach, but he can recruit as all hell.


It doesn't piss me off because that's what college basketball is all about. What coach got the biggest clout? What coach is going to do best for me for my NBA future? I mean that's the bottom line. Combine a big time program with a big time coach, who doesn't want to go there? Sure guys like Williams, Boheim, Calipari might not be the best coaches but they have enough talent to shove down your throat.
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Post#1098 » by hobojoe2131 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:17 pm

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Lets not forget about John Calipari either.


The difference is coach Cal built that Memphis program. Roy has gone from elite school to elite school.
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Post#1099 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:30 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:It doesn't piss me off because that's what college basketball is all about. What coach got the biggest clout? What coach is going to do best for me for my NBA future? I mean that's the bottom line. Combine a big time program with a big time coach, who doesn't want to go there? Sure guys like Williams, Boheim, Calipari might not be the best coaches but they have enough talent to shove down your throat.


Unfortunately that's what it has become. Getting a scholarship should mean different things, especially getting a degree in the first place. Things have really gotten worse and worse in the NCAA with all the one and dones. A chance would be for the better of the pros and the college game. But hell, of course that's not realistic anymore and we all know that...

The thing is that the media should paint a different picture of who really is a great coach and who isnt. I wouldnt even call some of the big name coaches good recruiters because all you have to do is show up at the top recruits house with a letter of intent of UNC, Kentucky or Duke. I just cant stand when guys as Roy Williams or others who I think are subpar coaches get praises for just taking advantage of their immense talent advantage.
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Post#1100 » by Manhattan Project » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:46 pm

Flaming Mo wrote:Unfortunately that's what it has become. Getting a scholarship should mean different things, especially getting a degree in the first place. Things have really gotten worse and worse in the NCAA with all the one and dones. A chance would be for the better of the pros and the college game. But hell, of course that's not realistic anymore and we all know that...

The thing is that the media should paint a different picture of who really is a great coach and who isnt. I wouldnt even call some of the big name coaches good recruiters because all you have to do is show up at the top recruits house with a letter of intent of UNC, Kentucky or Duke. I just cant stand when guys as Roy Williams or others who I think are subpar coaches get praises for just taking advantage of their immense talent advantage.


It's true, but thats why guys like Izzo, Matta, Self, Donovan, Ryan, Stevens, Wright and so on are held in higher regard. They don't always get the most talented guys, but they do a good job in what they have.

Look at guys like Tubby Smith and Billy Gillispie and the slow decline of Kentucky. Overnight they become a perennial basketball place. To me Roy Williams did a great job at Kansas, made a lot with little over the years. However he did indeed bring back UNC, it was quickly fading and losing out to Duke.
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