Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[JustCame]

3.4 assists per36 is terrible. Frank had 5.5 per36 as a rookie

Plus, Sexton's defense is straight up terrible, Cavs were 9 points worse on that end when he was on the court, going from middle of the pack defensively when he was off to worst in the league when he was on, he was in the 3rd percentile of Iso defense and 26th percentile of PnR defense. He put up volume stats on a bad team, 52% true shooting isn't anything to brag about

- Playmaking is very inconsistent for rookies on bad teams, especially one who's more of a scoring guard. I agree he needs to improve there, and he will.

- The best guards in the league don't play any defense (Curry, Harden, Westbrook, etc.)

- His shooting/scoring ability show the potential to be elite with those splits as a rookie on a bad team. My argument is that he has a lot more value than Frank as a prospect.

His playmaking is worse than DSJ's. Name me one guard who in his rookie year had 3.4 assists per36 that ended up a good playmaker

For comparison, Harden was in the 71st percentile for Iso defense, Curry 59th, Westbrook 39th, Kyrie 43rd
Harden was 84th percentile for PnR defense, Curry 92nd, Westbrook 39th, Kyrie 89th

Sexton is far and away worse than any of them, and even the closest to him, Westbrook, hasn't done anything as the main guy besides put up volume stats and lose in the 2nd round

Splits don't show potential to be elite, they show potential to be alright. 52% true shooting is still below average, you're looking at a Lou Will type of guy. Does he have more value than Frank? Yeah, probably. But I'm arguing that he didn't have a great rookie season like you said

Like I said, the best guards in the league don't play defense. Rookies tend to struggle a lot on that end. Sexton's defense won't be comparably worse than any of those guys in a couple years.

3 APG isn't great, but he has a lot of room to grow there, and once again, he's more of a scorer than a playmaker. Rookies tend to play to their strengths, and then improve the other areas of their game once they're more comfortable.

His shooting splits are clearly great for a rookie. 40% from 3PT and 84% from FT on a team with poor spacing is elite. Sure TS% doesn't like him as much as others, but a relevant reason for that is because he didn't have room to operate and had to force shots. He also got better as the season went on. Post all-star break he scored 21 PPG on 48/41/83 shooting, which is incredible. He showed that he can be an elite scorer eventually. I consider that a very good rookie year all things considered.

[stuporman]

I'm thinking I like Coby White better than Darius Garland, is bigger, can switch between the 1 and 2, is as good as a scorer and passer, more capable defender.

Coby whites measurements really soured me on him.... hes not going to really be effective guarding the 2.

He strikes me as a Reddick type combo scoring guard that can pass pretty well and while he may not be shutting any of the elite scorers down he has a pesky, fiesty side on defense to him like Reddick does. There have been more and more slightly undersized 2 guards having success in the NBA now with the pace and space style, especially if they can shoot.

[bearadonisdna]

Honestly I'm higher on Sexton than dsj because of his shooting and scoring.

Is it worth acquiring him? Not sure, I'm having trouble keeping up with all the trade talk.

Can see why the Knicks would value Clarke, especially while they aren't solidified up front.

The 10 spot is trickier. Cam not finishing a workout is scary, kinda MPj territory .

[Context]

No wonder we doing due diligence. I only do something like this if we are sure we are getting 2 max cats and want to add a guy who would fit in better.

Cavs drafted, Tristan, Anothony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins...pretty much every top Canadian prospect except the best one in Jamal Murray.

Not surprised they want RJ

I see the trend but what does that mean? is there some Toronto demographic connection?

[Knicksfan1992]

I'm thinking I like Coby White better than Darius Garland, is bigger, can switch between the 1 and 2, is as good as a scorer and passer, more capable defender.

Coby whites measurements really soured me on him.... hes not going to really be effective guarding the 2.

He strikes me as a Reddick type combo scoring guard that can pass pretty well and while he may not be shutting any of the elite scorers down he has a pesky, fiesty side on defense to him like Reddick does. There have been more and more slightly undersized 2 guards having success in the NBA now with the pace and space style, especially if they can shoot.

That would be nice if White could shoot anywhere near at Redick's level but he cant

[DOT]

- Playmaking is very inconsistent for rookies on bad teams, especially one who's more of a scoring guard. I agree he needs to improve there, and he will.

- The best guards in the league don't play any defense (Curry, Harden, Westbrook, etc.)

- His shooting/scoring ability show the potential to be elite with those splits as a rookie on a bad team. My argument is that he has a lot more value than Frank as a prospect.

His playmaking is worse than DSJ's. Name me one guard who in his rookie year had 3.4 assists per36 that ended up a good playmaker

For comparison, Harden was in the 71st percentile for Iso defense, Curry 59th, Westbrook 39th, Kyrie 43rd
Harden was 84th percentile for PnR defense, Curry 92nd, Westbrook 39th, Kyrie 89th

Sexton is far and away worse than any of them, and even the closest to him, Westbrook, hasn't done anything as the main guy besides put up volume stats and lose in the 2nd round

Splits don't show potential to be elite, they show potential to be alright. 52% true shooting is still below average, you're looking at a Lou Will type of guy. Does he have more value than Frank? Yeah, probably. But I'm arguing that he didn't have a great rookie season like you said

Like I said, the best guards in the league don't play defense. Rookies tend to struggle a lot on that end. Sexton's defense won't be comparably worse than any of those guys in a couple years.

3 APG isn't great, but he has a lot of room to grow there, and once again, he's more of a scorer than a playmaker. Rookies tend to play to their strengths, and then improve the other areas of their game once they're more comfortable.

His shooting splits are clearly great for a rookie. 40% from 3PT and 84% from FT on a team with poor spacing is elite. Sure TS% doesn't like him as much as others, but a relevant reason for that is because he didn't have room to operate and had to force shots. He also got better as the season went on. Post all-star break he scored 21 PPG on 48/41/83 shooting, which is incredible. He showed that he can be an elite scorer eventually. I consider that a very good rookie year all things considered.

Aight, so you're one of those people that, when presented with facts that don't line up with your beliefs pretend they validate them instead

I see no reason to continue this conversation then

[3toheadmelo]

Sexton is definitely a good prospect and had a solid rookie year. Peep this.

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Although I like Sexton a lot, I don’t like the fit next to DSJ. It would then come down to picking one of them and I would rather have DSJ.

[Besart19]

Mitch / Vonleh
Durant / Isaac
Leonard / Knox
Barrett / Trier
Rubio / Ntilikina

Why complicate our life?

Smith and one of Dallas first for either Isaac or Bamba

[stuporman]

Coby whites measurements really soured me on him.... hes not going to really be effective guarding the 2.

He strikes me as a Reddick type combo scoring guard that can pass pretty well and while he may not be shutting any of the elite scorers down he has a pesky, fiesty side on defense to him like Reddick does. There have been more and more slightly undersized 2 guards having success in the NBA now with the pace and space style, especially if they can shoot.

That would be nice if White could shoot anywhere near at Redick's level but he cant

Well, Redick was a 4 year college player and as a freshman he was terrible inside the 3 point line and was terrible as a defender. He developed into the well rounded player he is now as a pro.

Coby is starting out with a more well rounded game coming in as a freshman and while he isn't the true gunner Redick is he's not that much behind him as a shooter from 3 but he's better inside the arc, passes better and defends better coming into the league.

He'd look real good next to Booker in Phx...

[Fury]

Mitch / Vonleh
Durant / Isaac
Leonard / Knox
Barrett / Trier
Rubio / Ntilikina

Why complicate our life?

Smith and one of Dallas first for either Isaac or Bamba

Lol wth did Rubio come from

[taj2133]

Just saw a rumor

5
26
Collin Sexton

For

3
Frank Ntilikina

That rumor doesn't make sense it will probally be the cavs number 5 and 26 for the knicks 3rd pick and frank. We aren't trading for collin sexton when the knicks already have dsj doesn't make sense.

[taj2133]

Sexton is definitely a good prospect and had a solid rookie year. Peep this.

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Although I like Sexton a lot, I don’t like the fit next to DSJ. It would then come down to picking one of them and I would rather have DSJ.

Its more like frank get trade with the number 3 pick for the cavs 5 and 26 pick.

[DE FENSE]

Trading down from #3 in a 3 man draft would be a terrible idea for anything less than a king's ransom. Cavs better be prepared to bend over if they are serious.

[Riot Randolph]

Just saw a rumor

5
26
Collin Sexton

For

3
Frank Ntilikina

That rumor doesn't make sense it will probally be the cavs number 5 and 26 for the knicks 3rd pick and frank. We aren't trading for collin sexton when the knicks already have dsj doesn't make sense.

I can't image the trade without Sexton...Knicks would be getting crushed...Sexton can get to the basket at will, he's dsj but a better passer

[taj2133]

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[taj2133]

Just saw a rumor

5
26
Collin Sexton

For

3
Frank Ntilikina

That rumor doesn't make sense it will probally be the cavs number 5 and 26 for the knicks 3rd pick and frank. We aren't trading for collin sexton when the knicks already have dsj doesn't make sense.

I can't image the trade without Sexton...Knicks would be getting crushed...Sexton can get to the basket at will, he's dsj but a better passer

If the knicks get kyrie where does sexton and dsj fit doesn't make sense.

[sol537]

Would have to be #3, Frank for #5, #26, and that future 1-10 1st rounder they have or a comparable pick. You don't move down *and* include Frank just for the #26. There would have to be more.

Plus, have faith in Perry, folks. He's been great so far.

[taj2133]

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[NoLayupRule]

Is the rumor that we trade 3 for 5 and Sexton?

[Riot Randolph]

That rumor doesn't make sense it will probally be the cavs number 5 and 26 for the knicks 3rd pick and frank. We aren't trading for collin sexton when the knicks already have dsj doesn't make sense.

I can't image the trade without Sexton...Knicks would be getting crushed...Sexton can get to the basket at will, he's dsj but a better passer

If the knicks get kyrie where does sexton and dsj fit doesn't make sense.

That's a secondary issue, but yes Sexton would have to be included...trade is more even with Sexton but knicks edge out, without Sexton Knicks are being taken to the wood shed