WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing

[blueNorange]

time to hire one these analytics nerds and a coach that understands spacing and matchups.

you could easily have 3 different units

mitch
knox
rj
dotson
frank

gibson
randle
morris
ellington
dsj

mitch
portis
rj
trier
frank

fiz you dumb ass.

[thebuzzardman]

I just feel if it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Dolan must have some emotional attachment to Mills. And will probably give him second chances, which will put us in a deeper hole.

You think Dolan is putting transactions on freeze to prevent future dumb moves by Mills?

Noob question, but who's Abby lol? The soon to be interim GM?

I think its because Mills knows where all the bodies are buried.

Hahn said that aside from the rape accusation with Kristaps, there were 2 other incidents that occurred with him that will never get out and that the Knicks protected him a lot. With the Anucha Browne Sanders lawsuit she said it was Mills that threatened her to keep her mouth shut. I think he knows all of the secrets and that is what Dolan is valuing more than anything.

I'm fairly confident you are right about this. Mills knows dirt and may even have komprommat on Dolan too.

Mills really should have left the building when they hired Phil. In almost any other organization he would have, but Dolan wanted him to stay for reasons beyond his legendary basketball knowledge.

Either Dolan is afraid of what Mills knows

or

he values Mills as a company man who keeps his mouth shut

That would make Mills either an extortionist or a flunkie, not a legit NBA exec.

He has photos of Dolan f*cking a chicken and he shared them with Herb Williams.

[RHODEY]

The Spurs?! The same Spurs that a Hall of Famer (David Robinson) and All Star (Sean Elliot) got hurt on within the first month of that season?? I’m assuming you’re referencing the Duncan draft.. That’s what you call tanking?

Just because they already had talent doesnt mean they didnt tank,,,they sure as hell did...Goldenstate is doing the same thing.

No, it’s not. Tanking is preplanned.

If Steph weren’t injured they would still be going all out trying to win and get into the playoffs. That’s not tanking.

If they had Robinson and Elliot and benched them, or gave them phantom injuries, that’s tanking. Their best players just got hurt early and they became a lottery team. People advocating for tanking now are saying as bad as we are, let’s sell off everybody for spare parts and late garbage picks just to get worse and then try to draft high while we’re 11 games into the season: now THATS tanking. It’s about the intent, not talent. Injuries happen, but no one took a bat intentionally to Steph hand or David Robinson’s leg.

Tanking includes not doing your best to compete in hopes of a higher draft position. Of course you cant plan for injuries, but when you hold a players out indefinitely for an injury that normally heals in 6-8 weeks that's is tanking. You think it will take Steph Curry and ENTIRE Season to recovery from essentially the same injury it will take Gordon Hayward 6-8weeks to come back from? If that's not tanking I have a bridge to sell you.

Not being in position to make the playoffs or whatever is NOT an excuse, the fans pay to see their team compete to the best of their ability. It's still tanking.

[spree2kawhi]

time to hire one these analytics nerds and a coach that understands spacing and matchups.

you could easily have 3 different units

mitch
knox
rj
dotson
frank

gibson
randle
morris
ellington
dsj

mitch
portis
rj
trier
frank

fiz you dumb ass.

Absolutely.

[HarthorneWingo]

No no no no, the problem with Masai is the same problem as it was with Phil Jackson or even Larry Brown—there simply isn’t a dollar amount Dolan can overpay to fix the institutional dysfunction he’s created.

Paying for a high priced name brand is predictable and continues the same cycle of entitled trustfund baby madness. You cannot simply BUY your way into instant greatness. Sorry.

Masai, like his predecessors, would not have autonomy from Dolan’s wishes. In all likelihood he would still have Mills or whatever corporate shill Dolan runs out to replace him.

Like Phil or Larry, Masai would be getting overpaid NOT for his basketball acumen but rather his brand recognition to provide media cover (and inevitable scapegoat fallguy) for Dolan’s never ending ineptitude.

Instead of developing the next Masai Ujiri or Kevin Durant, Dolan thinks he can just buy one off the shelf. This kind of delusional hubris has never and will never work. It’s just more failure waiting to happen.

Masai isn't the GM of the Raptors anymore, he's the President. He also has his own thing in Africa as well. If Dolan is going to somehow lure Masai away from the Raptors org, he'd need to be granted greater power than what he already has. This would mean a sizable stake ownership in the Knicks and probably a clause in the contract that only he can fire himself (step down). Basically if he was hired and did something Dolan didn't want, tough ****, he runs the show.

apparently Masai wants to be in a bigger market
or so goes the rumor

he was considering the washington job

NYC would be the perfect place to be given his "Basketball Without Borders" program

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/sport/masai-ujiri-toronto-raptors-intl/index.html

[Deeeez Knicks]

Culture is BS. Every GM or president comes in talking about changing the culture. You can go back to Layden when he brought in every role player from his Jazz teams. Culture is meaningless when the roster is garbage...just look at the Warriors.

F culture.

Get someone here that knows what the hell they are doing, can make smart moves and build a good team for now and the future.

[NoLayupRule]

Masai isn't the GM of the Raptors anymore, he's the President. He also has his own thing in Africa as well. If Dolan is going to somehow lure Masai away from the Raptors org, he'd need to be granted greater power than what he already has. This would mean a sizable stake ownership in the Knicks and probably a clause in the contract that only he can fire himself (step down). Basically if he was hired and did something Dolan didn't want, tough ****, he runs the show.

apparently Masai wants to be in a bigger market
or so goes the rumor

he was considering the washington job

I can't really know what Masai is thinking, but if market really that big of a factor than the market of a country would beat a market of Washington. That's a pretty bad example going for that argument.

well he didn't leave Toronto for washington so there is that but the point, and I think you understood it despite your response, was he wants to work in a larger basketball market. And even washington was enough of one to make him think

I also dont know his thoughts but Im echoing what Ive heard

[nykfan42]

I think its because Mills knows where all the bodies are buried.

Hahn said that aside from the rape accusation with Kristaps, there were 2 other incidents that occurred with him that will never get out and that the Knicks protected him a lot. With the Anucha Browne Sanders lawsuit she said it was Mills that threatened her to keep her mouth shut. I think he knows all of the secrets and that is what Dolan is valuing more than anything.

2 other incidents that occurred with KP, Mills, or Dolan?

2 other incidents with KP.

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What were the 2 incidents tho? Can't tease us and not say what they are. He's not on the team anymore. We suck already, give us something! haha

[Vampirate]

apparently Masai wants to be in a bigger market
or so goes the rumor

he was considering the washington job

I can't really know what Masai is thinking, but if market really that big of a factor than the market of a country would beat a market of Washington. That's a pretty bad example going for that argument.

well he didn't leave Toronto for washington so there is that but the point, and I think you understood it despite your response, was he wants to work in a larger basketball market. And even washington was enough of one to make him think

I also dont know his thoughts but Im echoing what Ive heard

Apparently his wife was from Washington so there's that.

I cannot tell you 'No, Masai has no interest in working for a bigger market' because maybe he does, i'm not Masai.

What I CAN tell you is if Masai legit had interest in going to Washington, it would be a reason other than being in a big basketball market.

At the end of the day though this will boil down to 'is Masai willing to work for Dolan, and if so on what terms'.


On another note you guys are also targeting Sam Presti apparently so i'm not sure which rumors to believe.

(on a side note going after Masai because you think Giannis will sign on your team because sounds very deluded if that's true imo)

[cgmw]

We're not building any culture because we don't have the patience to even give our coach a full season where the plan isn't to tank. Normally it takes three or so years to really implement a system and build a culture. You guys want to fire everyone and then have our young players whose development is supposedly so important on a third coach and general manager, who'll have no loyalty to them, and then when they flop or turn into busts, blame the new guys.

Like I said, yall don't hear me though....

Oh I hear you. Loud and clear.

You just accurately described 20 years of MSG “culture” under Jim Dolan.

Well, you could give Fizdale the consideration of playing out his contract.

And what you will get in return is further confirmation of what is already known, i.e. HE IS NOT EVEN A COACH, He's a cheerleader.

So, yeah, the reputation of the franchise may be in tatters, but if you're going to clean it up then you better fess up and admit you hired a grifter and you won't do it again.

In fact, retaining Fizdale will send the message to the NBA community that ownership doesn't have the balls to eat crow and do the right thing. In that case, it will be a case of everybody except Dolan knowing Fizdale can't coach at all. How does that help send a message that we're a good organization?

The only message left is burn down the management structure and hire ONE GOOD LEADER and get out of the way. Everything else is just pretense at being professional when in fact it will merely prolong the unprofessionalism and bad juju.

They tried to sell us on this benevolent leader scam with PMFJB.

Hence my sig, which was Dolan’s response when asked if he would give over total control.

The Steve Mills problem is now revealing itself to the broader public that Phil did not have control and it’s safe to say that neither would Ujiri or whomever Dolan trots out next in the inexorable churn of stooges.

[Synciere]

Just because they already had talent doesnt mean they didnt tank,,,they sure as hell did...Goldenstate is doing the same thing.

No, it’s not. Tanking is preplanned.

If Steph weren’t injured they would still be going all out trying to win and get into the playoffs. That’s not tanking.

If they had Robinson and Elliot and benched them, or gave them phantom injuries, that’s tanking. Their best players just got hurt early and they became a lottery team. People advocating for tanking now are saying as bad as we are, let’s sell off everybody for spare parts and late garbage picks just to get worse and then try to draft high while we’re 11 games into the season: now THATS tanking. It’s about the intent, not talent. Injuries happen, but no one took a bat intentionally to Steph hand or David Robinson’s leg.

Tanking includes not doing your best to compete in hopes of a higher draft position. Of course you cant plan for injuries, but when you hold a players out indefinitely for an injury that normally heals in 6-8 weeks that's is tanking. You think it will take Steph Curry and ENTIRE Season to recovery from essentially the same injury it will take Gordon Hayward 6-8weeks to come back from? If that's not tanking I have a bridge to sell you.

Not being in position to make the playoffs or whatever is NOT an excuse, the fans pay to see their team compete to the best of their ability. It's still tanking.

It’s a broken hand, not a torn ligament. And he and the warriors have already said he’s coming back this year.

[Synciere]

Culture is BS. Every GM or president comes in talking about changing the culture. You can go back to Layden when he brought in every role player from his Jazz teams. Culture is meaningless when the roster is garbage...just look at the Warriors.

F culture.

Get someone here that knows what the hell they are doing, can make smart moves and build a good team for now and the future.

Yeah I would disagree, but what about reputation? Is that BS also? I

[Supermann98]

No no no no, the problem with Masai is the same problem as it was with Phil Jackson or even Larry Brown—there simply isn’t a dollar amount Dolan can overpay to fix the institutional dysfunction he’s created.

Paying for a high priced name brand is predictable and continues the same cycle of entitled trustfund baby madness. You cannot simply BUY your way into instant greatness. Sorry.

Masai, like his predecessors, would not have autonomy from Dolan’s wishes. In all likelihood he would still have Mills or whatever corporate shill Dolan runs out to replace him.

Like Phil or Larry, Masai would be getting overpaid NOT for his basketball acumen but rather his brand recognition to provide media cover (and inevitable scapegoat fallguy) for Dolan’s never ending ineptitude.

Instead of developing the next Masai Ujiri or Kevin Durant, Dolan thinks he can just buy one off the shelf. This kind of delusional hubris has never and will never work. It’s just more failure waiting to happen.

Masai isn't the GM of the Raptors anymore, he's the President. He also has his own thing in Africa as well. If Dolan is going to somehow lure Masai away from the Raptors org, he'd need to be granted greater power than what he already has. This would mean a sizable stake ownership in the Knicks and probably a clause in the contract that only he can fire himself (step down). Basically if he was hired and did something Dolan didn't want, tough ****, he runs the show.

Money talks bro. If it’s the only good thing Dolan does, he throws money at everyone. Even years after they’ve been fired. He’ll offer him a lot of money, a la Jon Gruden

"What about going to the Knicks Masai?"

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Woj says Fiz’s job is “in peril” FWIW

[RHODEY]

Preach Kendrick

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[BallSacBounce]

I can't really know what Masai is thinking, but if market really that big of a factor than the market of a country would beat a market of Washington. That's a pretty bad example going for that argument.

well he didn't leave Toronto for washington so there is that but the point, and I think you understood it despite your response, was he wants to work in a larger basketball market. And even washington was enough of one to make him think

I also dont know his thoughts but Im echoing what Ive heard

Apparently his wife was from Washington so there's that.

I cannot tell you 'No, Masai has no interest in working for a bigger market' because maybe he does, i'm not Masai.

What I CAN tell you is if Masai legit had interest in going to Washington, it would be a reason other than being in a big basketball market.

At the end of the day though this will boil down to 'is Masai willing to work for Dolan, and if so on what terms'.


On another note you guys are also targeting Sam Presti apparently so i'm not sure which rumors to believe.

(on a side note going after Masai because you think Giannis will sign on your team because sounds very deluded if that's true imo)

Deluded is our go to move when nothing else is working.
It doesn't work either but it does ease the pain.

[NoLayupRule]

I can't really know what Masai is thinking, but if market really that big of a factor than the market of a country would beat a market of Washington. That's a pretty bad example going for that argument.

well he didn't leave Toronto for washington so there is that but the point, and I think you understood it despite your response, was he wants to work in a larger basketball market. And even washington was enough of one to make him think

I also dont know his thoughts but Im echoing what Ive heard

Apparently his wife was from Washington so there's that.

I cannot tell you 'No, Masai has no interest in working for a bigger market' because maybe he does, i'm not Masai.

What I CAN tell you is if Masai legit had interest in going to Washington, it would be a reason other than being in a big basketball market.

At the end of the day though this will boil down to 'is Masai willing to work for Dolan, and if so on what terms'.


On another note you guys are also targeting Sam Presti apparently so i'm not sure which rumors to believe.

(on a side note going after Masai because you think Giannis will sign on your team because sounds very deluded if that's true imo)

but thats what we do

we hired Fizdale to help lure Durant
its never failed us before!

[mpharris36]

good news guys...Mike Francesa said he would love to get a call and take over the knicks operations

[Jimmit79]

We should all leave our resume outside MSG with a note hire me for 4 years and fire me with all the blame whenever you want.

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[BallSacBounce]

good news guys...Mike Francesa said he would love to get a call and take over the knicks operations