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Stannis wrote:GONYK wrote:What was Pelosi thinking?
tbh, at this point, I don't think Pelosi ever thinks
DNC needs to replace her. It will be in their best interest.
j4remi wrote:Stannis wrote:GONYK wrote:What was Pelosi thinking?
tbh, at this point, I don't think Pelosi ever thinks
DNC needs to replace her. It will be in their best interest.
Have y’all heard any long form interviews with Shahid Buttar? That man is my favorite person running for Congress but beating pelosi just seems impossible (similar note for my new guy Larry Hamm...doubt get beats Booker but I hope his profile blows up).
HarthorneWingo wrote:GONYK wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
But Biden's people are Obama's people who are Hillary's people. So ...
With respect to who is more progressive Hillary or Biden, allow me to clarify my position in case there's any further confusion. They both suck.My only point was at least Hillary was willing to bring down the Medicare eligibility age to 50 whereas Biden is only willing to bring it down to 60. How is that "more progressive" than Hillary? And during a pandemic?
GONNYK, how is what I said "untrue on its face"? You obviously don't know what "on its face" means. Besides, on its face, going by he numbers, what I said was actually factual. WTF?
I know exactly what "on it's face" means.
Outside of that one talking point (which has been rebutted several times), how is Hillary more progressive? Biden's plan leads to a bigger expansion than the age thing. So the numbers are on Biden's side.
Plus, I noted above how Biden is to the left of Hillary on his environmental plan, criminal justice reform, school funding, etc...
Once again, the numbers are with Biden. You chose not to engage any of that information.
You're not being a good faith debater, Wingy.You ask questions, I answer them. You ask for info, I provide it. I ask you questions, or ask for info, and you blow right by them to the next talking point or YouTube video.
Not being as progressive as Bernie on the one issue you care about does not mean Biden isn't the most progressive nominee we've had in a while.
If Biden is so progressive, then why are you asking me? Just lay it out. He has nothing. How the hell is a public option going to work now? Or when there's 30%+ unemployment?
Biden's history has always been that of a centrist. He was a Senator from Delaware, the most corporate friendly state in the United States, for decades. There's the Bankruptcy Bill, Anita Hill, the Crime Bill, willing to cut Medicare and Social Security. It's no wonder I'm repeating myself here. Obama selected Biden as his VP to appeal to conservatives, not progressives.
Stannis wrote:j4remi wrote:Stannis wrote:tbh, at this point, I don't think Pelosi ever thinks
DNC needs to replace her. It will be in their best interest.
Have y’all heard any long form interviews with Shahid Buttar? That man is my favorite person running for Congress but beating pelosi just seems impossible (similar note for my new guy Larry Hamm...doubt get beats Booker but I hope his profile blows up).
Yea, the only thing that beats Nancy is a GOP house or time.
I've heard a little bit about Shahid.
Phish Tank wrote:Stannis wrote:j4remi wrote:
Have y’all heard any long form interviews with Shahid Buttar? That man is my favorite person running for Congress but beating pelosi just seems impossible (similar note for my new guy Larry Hamm...doubt get beats Booker but I hope his profile blows up).
Yea, the only thing that beats Nancy is a GOP house or time.
I've heard a little bit about Shahid.
Pelosi will die before she loses an election.
HarthorneWingo wrote:The DNC has, or is getting, Bernie kicked off the NY primary so that he can't pick up anymore delegates from which he could further leverage his platform at the convention. This is how the DNC brings in Sanders supporters?
HarthorneWingo wrote:The DNC has, or is getting, Bernie kicked off the NY primary so that he can't pick up anymore delegates from which he could further leverage his platform at the convention. This is how the DNC brings in Sanders supporters?
Pointgod wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:The DNC has, or is getting, Bernie kicked off the NY primary so that he can't pick up anymore delegates from which he could further leverage his platform at the convention. This is how the DNC brings in Sanders supporters?
You have a credible source on this? I’m skeptical considering that the State Democratic parties, not the DNC, make Primary decisions.
Pointgod wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:The DNC has, or is getting, Bernie kicked off the NY primary so that he can't pick up anymore delegates from which he could further leverage his platform at the convention. This is how the DNC brings in Sanders supporters?
You have a credible source on this? I’m skeptical considering that the State Democratic parties, not the DNC, make Primary decisions.
j4remi wrote:Pointgod wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:The DNC has, or is getting, Bernie kicked off the NY primary so that he can't pick up anymore delegates from which he could further leverage his platform at the convention. This is how the DNC brings in Sanders supporters?
You have a credible source on this? I’m skeptical considering that the State Democratic parties, not the DNC, make Primary decisions.
The idea that state parties act completely independent of DNC influence is kind of a reach no? We're barely a month removed from the DNC issuing threats to states that pushed back their primaries too far.
Sidenote for Wingo: Howie Klein mentioned on the David Feldman Show that the NY Dem machine is building up funds to help AOC's challenger, not so much with the intention of beating her but with the goal of damaging her enough not to be a threat to Schumer's Senate seat. Howie's one of the most connected hyper progressive heads out there too (his weekly call ins to Feldman are usually great).
Sanders supporters said they were more likely to support Biden for president against Republican Donald Trump if he chose the progressive senator as his running mate, beating out Harris in second, followed by Klobuchar, Abrams and Whitmer. Sixty-one percent of Sanders voters said they would be more likely to support Biden if Warren is the nominee, while just 9% say it would make them less likely to back the former vice president.
Though some operatives have argued Biden should select either Harris or Abrams to solidify his hold on Black voters and increase turnout in key cities like Detroit, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, the survey indicates Black voters are actually more excited about a Biden-Warren ticket, though a Biden-Harris ticket also performs well.
“The overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters would be thrilled by a Warren Vice Presidential pick, the rest have Twitter accounts,”
Pointgod wrote:New poll out regarding the VP nom. I think the results are interesting to say the least. Where’s Clyde? He was really pushing Warren for VP. I have my doubts but hey you can’t deny the data.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-running-mate-poll_n_5ea2476ac5b6d376358ca3b6Sanders supporters said they were more likely to support Biden for president against Republican Donald Trump if he chose the progressive senator as his running mate, beating out Harris in second, followed by Klobuchar, Abrams and Whitmer. Sixty-one percent of Sanders voters said they would be more likely to support Biden if Warren is the nominee, while just 9% say it would make them less likely to back the former vice president.Though some operatives have argued Biden should select either Harris or Abrams to solidify his hold on Black voters and increase turnout in key cities like Detroit, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, the survey indicates Black voters are actually more excited about a Biden-Warren ticket, though a Biden-Harris ticket also performs well.
Lmao at this quote from the piece.“The overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters would be thrilled by a Warren Vice Presidential pick, the rest have Twitter accounts,”
blanko wrote:The democtatic establishment doesnt care about this election. They win either way. If they loose they will blame the bernie bros and put a scarlet letter on youse; they will purge you from the party.
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