OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[RHODEY]

Thanks for confessing. We'll be sending the riot police to take you in for your former crimes against humanity, partaking in the drugs and drug culture that tore America apart in the 1960's. Surely, just as George Floyds heinous drug crimes made him a legitimate target for death, you won't mind heading to the chair for your similar crimes. Thank you for being of the solution.

I never once said that George Floyd should have, nor deserved to be murdered for any of the numerous crimes he committed, much less for passing a fake $20 bill! Show me where I said that!

What I am alluding to is that it seems to me that these destructive riots which negatively affect Black businesses and Black employees are misguided. The time to riot is when an innocent Black man with no record is murdered by white cops. THEN the riots begin to make sense. But to use George Floyd as the "poster man" for these hugely destructive riots which are ripping the country apart as well as punishing innocent Blacks more than Whites who have lost their businesses and their places to shop does not make sense to me.

Why decimate the very places where Blacks live and shop?

Next thing we know someone will erect a 20 foot statue honoring Mr. Floyd. If you want to build a statue then pick someone like Dr. Martin Luther King who really was trying to soothe racial tensions, and deserves to be honored.

The looters devastated parts of their own neighborhoods, but also commercial districts, so they've been looting in general, not just their backyard. It is often very young people. The majority of the pack of looters in Soho in the video I watched looked to be at least 75% black, 16-22 in age mostly, with a few whites joining in. These kids came in on bikes from other parts of the city to loot.

I don't think you really intended to say George Floyd deserved what he got. People jumped on you because you probably failed to contextualize why you brought up his criminal past. Of course, that doesn't justify anything about what the cop did to him. I believe you when you say you didn't mean that. It was just a failure of communication and people should be able to forgive you for that.

His criminal past is kind of irrelevant though. His death lit the fuse and he will always be symbolic for many people because he suffered a fate nobody deserves, everybody saw it and it has happened too many times.

Sometimes thieves get elevated to sainthood because of circumstances. It doesn't mean people protesting condone anything criminal because he may have done some criminal things. People are protesting because he's a black man and a human being who deserved better in spite of anything he did in his past.

You're picking the wrong fight IMO. I fight over things, but in this case my advice is to let this one go, because you're missing the bigger picture if you think this is about lionizing a hero. It is not. It is because at some point we all are or could be the person in George Floyd's place, especially now that the cops have gone militia on everybody regardless of race.

When the jihadi's killed the staff of Charlie Hebdo in Paris the French started printing, writing and wearing the statement "We are Charlie" not because they necessarily read their publication, but because it was just wrong. In that sense, we are George.

I hope that helps

To me it like pointing out that the female victim of a serial killer was a former streetwalker. Why would you be concerned whether she's looked up to as honorable or not ? It's neither here nor there AND its highly offensive. Dude was human, certainly flawed but had a daughter, and family that cared about him, was gainfully employed.and was trying to walk the right path.

Citing past crimes (that were paid for) just changes the narrative. Instead of a victim he's now a "thief". That becomes the sum of his totality And the recurring pattern is for that narrative to be applied to only to black crime victims of racism.

[HarthorneWingo]

This is actually a brilliant suggestion. Cops would think 10x before being power tripping jerkoffs!

That was one of my ideas. Use their pensions and take them hostage in any instance of police brutality. Other option I was thinking of is requiring every police department to purchase liability insurance and especially use it to cover any settlements/judgments paid to the families of victims of police brutality.... that might be more constitutional than using pension funds to do that.... but probably equally complicated.

NYC uses CompStat to evaluate officers, but that system is heavily flawed.

Constitutional? Cops are paid with tax money. Their pensions should be fair game if they violate anyone's rights. They should be forfeit IMO but...using them to pay the person they violated isn't a bad idea. Either way...they should be on the table in this discussion.

I believe there is already a law where public employees lose their pensions if they are convicted of a serious crime.

[Clyde_Style]

I never once said that George Floyd should have, nor deserved to be murdered for any of the numerous crimes he committed, much less for passing a fake $20 bill! Show me where I said that!

What I am alluding to is that it seems to me that these destructive riots which negatively affect Black businesses and Black employees are misguided. The time to riot is when an innocent Black man with no record is murdered by white cops. THEN the riots begin to make sense. But to use George Floyd as the "poster man" for these hugely destructive riots which are ripping the country apart as well as punishing innocent Blacks more than Whites who have lost their businesses and their places to shop does not make sense to me.

Why decimate the very places where Blacks live and shop?

Next thing we know someone will erect a 20 foot statue honoring Mr. Floyd. If you want to build a statue then pick someone like Dr. Martin Luther King who really was trying to soothe racial tensions, and deserves to be honored.

The looters devastated parts of their own neighborhoods, but also commercial districts, so they've been looting in general, not just their backyard. It is often very young people. The majority of the pack of looters in Soho in the video I watched looked to be at least 75% black, 16-22 in age mostly, with a few whites joining in. These kids came in on bikes from other parts of the city to loot.

I don't think you really intended to say George Floyd deserved what he got. People jumped on you because you probably failed to contextualize why you brought up his criminal past. Of course, that doesn't justify anything about what the cop did to him. I believe you when you say you didn't mean that. It was just a failure of communication and people should be able to forgive you for that.

His criminal past is kind of irrelevant though. His death lit the fuse and he will always be symbolic for many people because he suffered a fate nobody deserves, everybody saw it and it has happened too many times.

Sometimes thieves get elevated to sainthood because of circumstances. It doesn't mean people protesting condone anything criminal because he may have done some criminal things. People are protesting because he's a black man and a human being who deserved better in spite of anything he did in his past.

You're picking the wrong fight IMO. I fight over things, but in this case my advice is to let this one go, because you're missing the bigger picture if you think this is about lionizing a hero. It is not. It is because at some point we all are or could be the person in George Floyd's place, especially now that the cops have gone militia on everybody regardless of race.

When the jihadi's killed the staff of Charlie Hebdo in Paris the French started printing, writing and wearing the statement "We are Charlie" not because they necessarily read their publication, but because it was just wrong. In that sense, we are George.

I hope that helps

To me it like pointing out that the female victim of a serial killer was a former streetwalker. Why would you be concerned whether she's looked up honorable or not ? It's neither here nor there AND its highly offensive. Dude was human, certainly flawed but had a daughter, and family that cared about him, was gainfully employed.and was trying to walk the right path.

Citing past crimes (that were paid for) just changes the narrative. Instead of a victim he's now a "thief". That becomes the sum of his totality And the recurring pattern is for that narrative to be applied to only to black crime victims of racism.

I obviously agree with you. I just wanted to give Doc a chance to hear the reasoning without being ganged up on. He needs to hear it, I just gave him another way of hearing it.

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[K_ick_God]

Alex Jones hasn't called him a crisis actor yet? Which, I think would mean the cops are crisis actors too...

It’s gaining steam Buzz.

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Jesus

They’re trying to say he flopped.

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[HarthorneWingo]

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Except that the peaceful police are, by law, required to protect us from the violent police. And, therein, lies the problem.

[RHODEY]

The looters devastated parts of their own neighborhoods, but also commercial districts, so they've been looting in general, not just their backyard. It is often very young people. The majority of the pack of looters in Soho in the video I watched looked to be at least 75% black, 16-22 in age mostly, with a few whites joining in. These kids came in on bikes from other parts of the city to loot.

I don't think you really intended to say George Floyd deserved what he got. People jumped on you because you probably failed to contextualize why you brought up his criminal past. Of course, that doesn't justify anything about what the cop did to him. I believe you when you say you didn't mean that. It was just a failure of communication and people should be able to forgive you for that.

His criminal past is kind of irrelevant though. His death lit the fuse and he will always be symbolic for many people because he suffered a fate nobody deserves, everybody saw it and it has happened too many times.

Sometimes thieves get elevated to sainthood because of circumstances. It doesn't mean people protesting condone anything criminal because he may have done some criminal things. People are protesting because he's a black man and a human being who deserved better in spite of anything he did in his past.

You're picking the wrong fight IMO. I fight over things, but in this case my advice is to let this one go, because you're missing the bigger picture if you think this is about lionizing a hero. It is not. It is because at some point we all are or could be the person in George Floyd's place, especially now that the cops have gone militia on everybody regardless of race.

When the jihadi's killed the staff of Charlie Hebdo in Paris the French started printing, writing and wearing the statement "We are Charlie" not because they necessarily read their publication, but because it was just wrong. In that sense, we are George.

I hope that helps

To me it like pointing out that the female victim of a serial killer was a former streetwalker. Why would you be concerned whether she's looked up honorable or not ? It's neither here nor there AND its highly offensive. Dude was human, certainly flawed but had a daughter, and family that cared about him, was gainfully employed.and was trying to walk the right path.

Citing past crimes (that were paid for) just changes the narrative. Instead of a victim he's now a "thief". That becomes the sum of his totality And the recurring pattern is for that narrative to be applied to only to black crime victims of racism.

I obviously agree with you. I just wanted to give Doc a chance to hear the reasoning without being ganged up on. He needs to hear it, I just gave him another way of hearing it.

Sure I hear you...I guess II've been a lot less willing to give benefit of the doubt in those situations.

[HarthorneWingo]

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I've been feeling this way for years. I won't call the police anymore for almost anything. I mean, I'd literally have to be left with no choice before I ever called the police. With regard to most things, police will simply escalate the matter and start making arrests because making arrests is what police do. That's it. They don't bring people together. They don't resolve neighborhood disputes. That's not what they are trained to do. They are trained to make arrests and bust heads.

[Clyde_Style]

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I've been feeling this way for years. I won't call the police anymore for almost anything. I mean, I'd literally have to be left with no choice before I ever called the police. With regard to most things, police will simply escalate the matter and start making arrests because making arrests is what police do. That's it. They don't bring people together. They don't resolve neighborhood disputes. That's not what they are trained to do. They are trained to make arrests and bust heads.

Municipalities will still need a system that trains and produces peace officers even if they are no longer modeled on what is called a police force now.

This nation is armed to the teeth and if there are no constraints then there will be other kinds of horrendous violence if any individual can claim they are enforcing the laws of the land on their own terms.

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I've been feeling this way for years. I won't call the police anymore for almost anything. I mean, I'd literally have to be left with no choice before I ever called the police. With regard to most things, police will simply escalate the matter and start making arrests because making arrests is what police do. That's it. They don't bring people together. They don't resolve neighborhood disputes. That's not what they are trained to do. They are trained to make arrests and bust heads.

Saw this floating around online. What do you think?

[Clyde_Style]

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[Pointgod]

The looters devastated parts of their own neighborhoods, but also commercial districts, so they've been looting in general, not just their backyard. It is often very young people. The majority of the pack of looters in Soho in the video I watched looked to be at least 75% black, 16-22 in age mostly, with a few whites joining in. These kids came in on bikes from other parts of the city to loot.

I don't think you really intended to say George Floyd deserved what he got. People jumped on you because you probably failed to contextualize why you brought up his criminal past. Of course, that doesn't justify anything about what the cop did to him. I believe you when you say you didn't mean that. It was just a failure of communication and people should be able to forgive you for that.

His criminal past is kind of irrelevant though. His death lit the fuse and he will always be symbolic for many people because he suffered a fate nobody deserves, everybody saw it and it has happened too many times.

Sometimes thieves get elevated to sainthood because of circumstances. It doesn't mean people protesting condone anything criminal because he may have done some criminal things. People are protesting because he's a black man and a human being who deserved better in spite of anything he did in his past.

You're picking the wrong fight IMO. I fight over things, but in this case my advice is to let this one go, because you're missing the bigger picture if you think this is about lionizing a hero. It is not. It is because at some point we all are or could be the person in George Floyd's place, especially now that the cops have gone militia on everybody regardless of race.

When the jihadi's killed the staff of Charlie Hebdo in Paris the French started printing, writing and wearing the statement "We are Charlie" not because they necessarily read their publication, but because it was just wrong. In that sense, we are George.

I hope that helps

To me it like pointing out that the female victim of a serial killer was a former streetwalker. Why would you be concerned whether she's looked up honorable or not ? It's neither here nor there AND its highly offensive. Dude was human, certainly flawed but had a daughter, and family that cared about him, was gainfully employed.and was trying to walk the right path.

Citing past crimes (that were paid for) just changes the narrative. Instead of a victim he's now a "thief". That becomes the sum of his totality And the recurring pattern is for that narrative to be applied to only to black crime victims of racism.

I obviously agree with you. I just wanted to give Doc a chance to hear the reasoning without being ganged up on. He needs to hear it, I just gave him another way of hearing it.

Listen, believe people when they show you who they are. The fact that he’d bring up Floyd’s past just shows the kind of person he is. It will never be good enough for people like Retired_Doc. Philando Castille was the “perfect victim” and somehow his traffic stops were brought up as if they were relevant. It will never, ever be good enough.

[Clyde_Style]

To me it like pointing out that the female victim of a serial killer was a former streetwalker. Why would you be concerned whether she's looked up honorable or not ? It's neither here nor there AND its highly offensive. Dude was human, certainly flawed but had a daughter, and family that cared about him, was gainfully employed.and was trying to walk the right path.

Citing past crimes (that were paid for) just changes the narrative. Instead of a victim he's now a "thief". That becomes the sum of his totality And the recurring pattern is for that narrative to be applied to only to black crime victims of racism.

I obviously agree with you. I just wanted to give Doc a chance to hear the reasoning without being ganged up on. He needs to hear it, I just gave him another way of hearing it.

Listen, believe people when they show you who they are. The fact that he’d bring up Floyd’s past just shows the kind of person he is. It will never be good enough for people like Retired_Doc. Philando Castille was the “perfect victim” and somehow his traffic stops were brought up as if they were relevant. It will never, ever be good enough.

I understand. I learned earlier in life when you go out on a date with a woman and she says "I'm crazy" or "I'm trouble" you should believe them and move on.

Still, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when possible. You'll never know if they might change their attitude unless you explain your position to them. Attack from the get go and that possibility is lost.

[HarthorneWingo]

NY Times editorial chief resigns after admitting that he “allegedly” didn’t read Sen. Tim Cotton’s op-ed column in which he calls for sending in the military troops to handle the American citizens who are out there exercising their constitutional rights.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/james-bennet-new-york-times-opinion-page-resigned_n_5edd4bd2c5b62c33fca387a2

DiBlasio will divert money away from the NYPD to black communities.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-york-mayor-deblasio-police-reforms-nationwide-protests-lifts-curfew_n_5edd7566c5b6c78ceb010c47

[Clyde_Style]

NY Times editorial chief resigns after admitting that he “allegedly” didn’t read Sen. Tim Cotton’s op-ed column in which he calls for sending in the military troops to handle the American citizens who are out there exercising their constitutional rights.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/james-bennet-new-york-times-opinion-page-resigned_n_5edd4bd2c5b62c33fca387a2

DiBlasio will divert money away from the NYPD to black communities.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-york-mayor-deblasio-police-reforms-nationwide-protests-lifts-curfew_n_5edd7566c5b6c78ceb010c47

The NYT has disgraced themselves too often since 2016 with this faux-objective stance of giving equal voice to extremists in their op ed pages. It is bogus.

That was the right thing to do, though I don't believe an editor would be that freaking lazy at such a high visibility job as to not read what they publish. It seems like a convenient excuse, but either way they screwed up publishing a rabid GOP editorial advocating suppressing Americans with military force. Tom Cotton is a POS and the GOP probably would love him to be the president instead of Trump so he should never have been given the time of day.

[Clyde_Style]

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Jesus

They’re trying to say he flopped.

Even if one were entertain that it was rigged how do you explain how one could create it. Hed have to have some sort of blood pouch maybe on his back with a tube bringing it to the ear. Or are they challenging the video footage itself. Is this like wrestling with the forehead razor? Idk. Anyone in special effects in here?

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