2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[Worst_to_First]

So a versatile big who can hit outside shots, defend the PnR, and protect the rim while being able to run out and contest 3 point shots.

Anything else?

How about RJ learn to hit an outside shot once in a while and be more efficient on offense ... and stop dribbling the ball so damn much.

"versatile big who can hit outside shots"

Who exactly are you talking about? What outside shots has Mitch hit?

You're criticizing RJ for not being great at hitting jumpers, when Mitch hasn't made any shots from 16 feet in his whole career yet saying he can make them. What is going on around here

I was being sarcastic in my response to Worst to First. It seems like we're looking for the perfect center. Sometimes we should be satisfied with what we got and work with that. Tbh, I'm against all trades to move up.

I think ultimately it just boils down to Wiseman really being that ideal Center for me.

[Worst_to_First]

This hawks guy can’t be legit. I mean he has specifics of all types of deals lol

That guy may indeed have legitimate sources but these might be compromised to begin with.

[Worst_to_First]

Out of ATL:

Spoiler:

taking this down. We have said in the past do not quote word for word because they shut people out the last time - mph

Good to see they are valuing Robinson.
8+27 for 1 is not something I see Minny doing. I would imagine they would also want JJ included.
CP3 still the talk - lets see what happens. Love the idea of flexibility and with the flexibility we are not pigeonholed into a move.

I think Hawks might be making the mistake of identifying too many players to be part of their “core”. There are only enough minutes to be spread amongst Cam, Huerter and Hunter unless the plan is to let go of Collins and play Hunter more at the 4.

At the very least I want my “core” players to be able to consistently be on the court at the same time. This was the problem of the Celtics in that they have a hard time playing Tatum, Brown, Kemba, Smart and Hayward extended minutes together.

[bigfnjoe96]

Sheesh

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Don't hurt em Melo. Been saying Kira should be the pick, if we go PG. Dude just has a different feel for the game than most PG in the draft.

Here's a good interview with John Goodman from The Stadium

https://youtu.be/DgiuuGOSuSo


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[iLLmatic860]

Im sold on Wiseman now. With Kenny Payne we can turn him into a beast. He can do everything Mitch can do too.

[3toheadmelo]

Wouldn’t mind him on a trade down but have Tyrell Terry and Kira over him.

But I really want us to give DSJ and Frank more minutes. We really have to figure out if those two are worth keeping or time to cut losses.

That’s why I definitely wouldn’t mind trading up for Wiseman and seeing DSJ and Frank get more burn this year. If Frank is really one we have to give up in a trade with the Warriors then we should get Karim Mane at 38.

I wouldn’t mind developing Karim Mane and trading away Frank in a package for Wiseman. Then let DSJ/Mane split the minutes at PG. sorry mpharris

If Mane’s preferred career trajectory is to be Jrue Holiday like he said it is I would slot him at the 2. The thing is when I see Mane’s shot it would seem like he is a streaky shooter from outside. The arc of his shot appears too low.

Would prefer him to be with a steadier shooter than DSJ as a backcourt partner.

Yeah ideally they both are a solid combo. But Mane is pretty inconsistent from 3 so he needs to improve. I’d love to see Mane develop here though alongside DSJ.

[3toheadmelo]

Sheesh

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Don't hurt em Melo. Been saying Kira should be the pick, if we go PG. Dude just has a different feel for the game than most PG in the draft.

Here's a good interview with John Goodman from The Stadium

https://youtu.be/DgiuuGOSuSo


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Dope interview. Thanks for sharing it. He sounds like a good kid who works real hard

[thebuzzardman]

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Lamelo Ball Folks Lamelo Ball!!!!!!!

that narrows it down!

Knicks interested in:

[bigfnjoe96]

Sheesh

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Don't hurt em Melo. Been saying Kira should be the pick, if we go PG. Dude just has a different feel for the game than most PG in the draft.

Here's a good interview with John Goodman from The Stadium

https://youtu.be/DgiuuGOSuSo


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Dope interview. Thanks for sharing it. He sounds like a good kid who works real hard

Kenny Payne recruited him to Kentucky hard, but decided to go to Bama. There's a familiarity there. Also with Johnny Bryant in the fold, he definitely can develop into a helluva NBA PG. He already has good form on his jumper. Once he bulks up a little, he's gonna be a problem!

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[thebuzzardman]

The forum has been talking about the draft and these prospects so long now that the stuff being said has gotten completely moronic.........well, more than usual that is.

I went from loving Haliburton and hating Hayes to loving Hayes and hating Haliburton. Believing Kira should be the pick because he could be a steal at PG to the Knicks should go BPA and try to move up the draft for a steal.

At this point I know all the 1st round prospects by name..... If ever there was a draft I am losing interest in, it’s this one.

why can't you like both?

[thebuzzardman]

Sheesh

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Don't hurt em Melo. Been saying Kira should be the pick, if we go PG. Dude just has a different feel for the game than most PG in the draft.

Here's a good interview with John Goodman from The Stadium

https://youtu.be/DgiuuGOSuSo


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[YungKnicks]

My PG 6'3 174lbs basically the same size as S.Curry, Ja Morant etc....

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[SelbyCobra]

Im sold on Wiseman now. With Kenny Payne we can turn him into a beast. He can do everything Mitch can do too.

Why is there not the same general enthusiasm in this thread for Payne working with Mitch, the overly talented big already on the roster? If Payne can "turn [fill in the blank 7 footer] into a beast", I think I'd like to see what he can do with Mitch above all else, because he's shown dominant NBA ability AND it preserves talent capital that this roster is generally bereft of.

[thebuzzardman]

My PG 6'3 174lbs basically the same size as S.Curry, Ja Morant etc....

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So, I'll admit to liking, or having liked the following PG's:

LaMelo
Hayes
Haliburton
Kira
Terry

And I'd like Terry all by himself.

But if one of the future franchise guys is RJ, and RJ is maximized with the ball in his hands more often (not that he should be PG or "point-whatever"), then maybe it makes sense to get the best PG at also playing off the ball, which seems to be Terry.

[3toheadmelo]

Don't hurt em Melo. Been saying Kira should be the pick, if we go PG. Dude just has a different feel for the game than most PG in the draft.

Here's a good interview with John Goodman from The Stadium

https://youtu.be/DgiuuGOSuSo


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Dope interview. Thanks for sharing it. He sounds like a good kid who works real hard

Kenny Payne recruited him to Kentucky hard, but decided to go to Bama. There's a familiarity there. Also with Johnny Bryant in the fold, he definitely can develop into a helluva NBA PG. He already has good form on his jumper. Once he bulks up a little, he's gonna be a problem!

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Yep I wouldn’t be surprised if Kenny is pushing the front office to take Kira too. I am here for it. Kid is gonna be great.

[3toheadmelo]

Im sold on Wiseman now. With Kenny Payne we can turn him into a beast. He can do everything Mitch can do too.

Why is there not the same general enthusiasm in this thread for Payne working with Mitch, the overly talented big already on the roster? If Payne can "turn [fill in the blank 7 footer] into a beast", I think I'd like to see what he can do with Mitch above all else, because he's shown dominant NBA ability AND it preserves talent capital that this roster is generally bereft of.

Because Mitch is a rim runner. Wiseman is a scoring big who can play defense. Kenny Payne can’t do miracles. If so, Willie Caulie Stein would be like AD. WCS and Mitch share the same skill set. So I would lower expectations on Mitch this season.

[HarthorneWingo]

"versatile big who can hit outside shots"

Who exactly are you talking about? What outside shots has Mitch hit?

You're criticizing RJ for not being great at hitting jumpers, when Mitch hasn't made any shots from 16 feet in his whole career yet saying he can make them. What is going on around here

I was being sarcastic in my response to Worst to First. It seems like we're looking for the perfect center. Sometimes we should be satisfied with what we got and work with that. Tbh, I'm against all trades to move up.

I think ultimately it just boils down to Wiseman really being that ideal Center for me.

On three games? Melo’s been working on you.

[Jay10]

I was being sarcastic in my response to Worst to First. It seems like we're looking for the perfect center. Sometimes we should be satisfied with what we got and work with that. Tbh, I'm against all trades to move up.

I think ultimately it just boils down to Wiseman really being that ideal Center for me.

On three games? Melo’s been working on you.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It would not be smart for the Celtics to trade Smart. He had a really good bubble. They already are a contender. It does not make sense to trade an important piece for a rookie center.

In the best case, It would take years for Wiseman to be a difference-maker. Bam took 3 years to be this great and he is 23 years now. Wiseman is just 19 years old.

Celtics should use a vet center like Ibaka or Baynes.
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They have tried to get bigs in the past, trying to trade for Embiid or Kristaps. They want a all-star caliber center, but until they can get one they use vet minimum guys. As good as Smart was, they have a gaping hole at C that got exposed and wont be going away anytime soon.

Their two best players are 22 and 23, waiting 2-3 years for Wiseman to develop wouldn't hurt them much, they're capped out so there's no way they get Ibaka who still has a good amount of value around the league.

Wiseman is not KP or Embiid. He is a center who barely plays at the college level and he is not known for his long ball or playmaking. He can be a Noel/WCS/Marquese/Bamba kind of player. In the better case, he will be a Gobert like a player with a slightly more mid-range upside. Its not enough to be a difference-maker against small-ball teams if he can not develop a long ball and playmaking abilities. He is not a sure thing.

Wiseman wouldn't be going top 5 in any draft if those were his player comps, he's going to be an offensive center. He's closer to Embiid and Kristaps than he is the guys you named who are strictly defensive guys first. You say he's not a sure thing but a report came out yesterday saying scouts view him as the safest pick, his floor is considerably higher than anyone else in the draft, while his ceiling is as high as anyone else.

I don't get how anyone can look his shot & mechanics and not see a guy who will eventually play in the mid post. If he makes the mid-post faceup shot it opens up a dribble drive game, and I think he will make it.

[iLLmatic860]

Im sold on Wiseman now. With Kenny Payne we can turn him into a beast. He can do everything Mitch can do too.

Why is there not the same general enthusiasm in this thread for Payne working with Mitch, the overly talented big already on the roster? If Payne can "turn [fill in the blank 7 footer] into a beast", I think I'd like to see what he can do with Mitch above all else, because he's shown dominant NBA ability AND it preserves talent capital that this roster is generally bereft of.

Thats how I felt but this board convinced me that Mitch is nothing more than a rim runner lol