Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[Lord Commander]

BTW - you want to get Brunson and Randle sign this offseason. They can get more if they wait but I could see Brunson and Randle signing deals now.

I doubt Brunson signs now. 160MM now vs. 250MM if he waits until next year. He doesn't appear to all about the money, but ~90MM is a considerable amount for anyone.

[TrueWarrior]

It's a shame that our playoffs ended like this, but honestly, who should have played against Boston? The off-season will actually be very exciting this year, although I don't expect any big deals. I don't think we have a realistic chance of getting Mikal or Mitchell and somehow I also think that a good player under the basket would be good, especially in the playoffs. Even though I don't like Randle, I don't think we can get anyone else in his position. It would make sense for me to make small swaps with people who fit exactly into our scheme. That's why I advocate Alex Caruso.

Caruso would be a perfect backup for us. Look what Tj McConnell did to us.

Caruso is a realistic target who fits, but the Bulls seemingly want 2-3 1sts for him and they’re content with the treadmill.

Deuce can replace one of the 1sts most likely, and his spot would be taken by Caruso anyway so he’d have to go.

Deuce is a good, albeit undersized, young 3/D SG who still has potential, but his defense is a bit overrated, or at least needs more work if the playoffs are an indication. He’s also not a PG at all, while Caruso can play it some.

Caruso is a legit stopper who was 5th in Defensive EPM after Isaac, Hartenstein, Smart, and Embiid. OG was 6th. https://dunksandthrees.com/epm.

So Caruso was in the 99th percentile for DEPM (same as Hartenstein and OG). Deuce (56th) and Donte (50th) graded out as average defenders this season. Donte (90th) was just a lot better than Caruso (56th) and Deuce (67th) offensively.

Basically we could use a real guard defender with size, who can play both guard spots and can shoot. Alex fits that. May not be the sexy move but unless Deuce really improves then Alex is a big upgrade over him.

[sol537]

It's a shame that our playoffs ended like this, but honestly, who should have played against Boston? The off-season will actually be very exciting this year, although I don't expect any big deals. I don't think we have a realistic chance of getting Mikal or Mitchell and somehow I also think that a good player under the basket would be good, especially in the playoffs. Even though I don't like Randle, I don't think we can get anyone else in his position. It would make sense for me to make small swaps with people who fit exactly into our scheme. That's why I advocate Alex Caruso.

Caruso would be a perfect backup for us. Look what Tj McConnell did to us.

Caruso is a realistic target who fits, but the Bulls seemingly want 2-3 1sts for him and they’re content with the treadmill.

Deuce can replace one of the 1sts most likely, and his spot would be taken by Caruso anyway so he’d have to go.

Deuce is a good, albeit undersized, young 3/D SG who still has potential, but his defense is a bit overrated, or at least needs more work if the playoffs are an indication.

Caruso is a legit stopper who was 5th in Defensive EPM after Isaac, Hartenstein, Smart, and Embiid. OG was 6th. https://dunksandthrees.com/epm.

So Caruso was in the 99th percentile for DEPM (same as Hartenstein and OG). Deuce (56th) and Donte (50th) graded out as average defenders this season. Donte (90th) was just a lot better than Caruso (56th) and Deuce (67th) offensively.

Basically we could use a real guard defender with size, who can play both guard spots and can shoot. Alex fits that. May not be the sexy move but unless Deuce really improves then Alex is a big upgrade over him.

MCBride, pick, and scraps for Caruso makes sense.

[RHODEY]

Get Mikal at all costs
4 FRP’s, bogie and Burks for salary filler
Get
MIKAL

I like Mikal. So, you start him at SG and lose all of Donte's shooting?

Last I checked, Bridges doesn't even create off the dribble as well as Donte, and Donte is hardly all NBA at that.

I'd like that Mikal will play the 40 games that OG doesn't.

Will Mikal be good with playing 28 mpg off the bench? If so, Knicks should get him.

You gain Mikal's scoring consistency and length defense while bolstering your bench with Divo .

Divo is crafty but his drives to the basket are hit or miss. Even his scoring ..it's feast or famine. That said he'd kill off the bench.

[Juco24]

Caruso would be a perfect backup for us. Look what Tj McConnell did to us.

Caruso is a realistic target who fits, but the Bulls seemingly want 2-3 1sts for him and they’re content with the treadmill.

Deuce can replace one of the 1sts most likely, and his spot would be taken by Caruso anyway so he’d have to go.

Deuce is a good, albeit undersized, young 3/D SG who still has potential, but his defense is a bit overrated, or at least needs more work if the playoffs are an indication.

Caruso is a legit stopper who was 5th in Defensive EPM after Isaac, Hartenstein, Smart, and Embiid. OG was 6th. https://dunksandthrees.com/epm.

So Caruso was in the 99th percentile for DEPM (same as Hartenstein and OG). Deuce (56th) and Donte (50th) graded out as average defenders this season. Donte (90th) was just a lot better than Caruso (56th) and Deuce (67th) offensively.

Basically we could use a real guard defender with size, who can play both guard spots and can shoot. Alex fits that. May not be the sexy move but unless Deuce really improves then Alex is a big upgrade over him.

MCBride, pick, and scraps for Caruso makes sense.

I'm not an Alex Caruso fan... but the way Divi and Deuce got cooked by Hali & TJ was pretty bad. Adding in Caruso does make sense.

[sol537]

Patrick Williams (reclamation), Caruso for Bogs, McBride, one or two picks.

That’s if the Bulls finally decide to go youth movement.

[Wildcat]

Get Mikal at all costs
4 FRP’s, bogie and Burks for salary filler
Get
MIKAL

I like Mikal. So, you start him at SG and lose all of Donte's shooting?

Last I checked, Bridges doesn't even create off the dribble as well as Donte, and Donte is hardly all NBA at that.

I'd like that Mikal will play the 40 games that OG doesn't.

Will Mikal be good with playing 28 mpg off the bench? If so, Knicks should get him.

You gain Mikal's scoring consistency and length defense while bolstering your bench with Divo .

Divo is crafty but his drives to the basket are hit or miss. Even his scoring ..it's feast or famine. That said he'd kill off the bench.

Mikal has been everything but consistent this season. I ain't shelving Divo to the bench for Bridges. He was supposed to take a leap this season.

[Ma10]

Caruso would be a perfect backup for us. Look what Tj McConnell did to us.

Caruso is a realistic target who fits, but the Bulls seemingly want 2-3 1sts for him and they’re content with the treadmill.

Deuce can replace one of the 1sts most likely, and his spot would be taken by Caruso anyway so he’d have to go.

Deuce is a good, albeit undersized, young 3/D SG who still has potential, but his defense is a bit overrated, or at least needs more work if the playoffs are an indication.

Caruso is a legit stopper who was 5th in Defensive EPM after Isaac, Hartenstein, Smart, and Embiid. OG was 6th. https://dunksandthrees.com/epm.

So Caruso was in the 99th percentile for DEPM (same as Hartenstein and OG). Deuce (56th) and Donte (50th) graded out as average defenders this season. Donte (90th) was just a lot better than Caruso (56th) and Deuce (67th) offensively.

Basically we could use a real guard defender with size, who can play both guard spots and can shoot. Alex fits that. May not be the sexy move but unless Deuce really improves then Alex is a big upgrade over him.

MCBride, pick, and scraps for Caruso makes sense.

Exactly, Mcbride is really a nice player but sure needs a few more seasons under his belt

[BowlRips]

Caruso def the type of player I'd want on this team, but does he provide enough self creation offensively for this unit?
A lot of open questions for the offseason but assuming our projected starters are back, then Deuce is slotted into the 2nd guard off the bench slot going into next season with a bench that includes Hart, Mitch (or a backup center) and Bogey (or a shooter at the 3/4). Ideally, I'd want someone who can lead the offense themselves and replace some of what IQ was giving us pre-trade.

[aggo]

Caruso def the type of player I'd want on this team, but does he provide enough self creation offensively for this unit?
A lot of open questions for the offseason but assuming our projected starters are back, then Deuce is slotted into the 2nd guard off the bench slot going into next season with a bench that includes Hart, Mitch (or a backup center) and Bogey (or a shooter at the 3/4). Ideally, I'd want someone who can lead the offense themselves and replace some of what IQ was giving us pre-trade.

no.


he overrated and overlaps too much with our current roster when healthy.


the one thing we wont do is to give up BOTH of our most important assets:

McBride + frps


for anything less than a star, or a significant upgrade that STARTS and plays bnext to brunson for 36mpg



Caruso is all-nba mid. we got enough of those guys on the team already

[Meat]

lets try for more >8.ppg scorers, just what the knicks need

[BowlRips]

Caruso def the type of player I'd want on this team, but does he provide enough self creation offensively for this unit?
A lot of open questions for the offseason but assuming our projected starters are back, then Deuce is slotted into the 2nd guard off the bench slot going into next season with a bench that includes Hart, Mitch (or a backup center) and Bogey (or a shooter at the 3/4). Ideally, I'd want someone who can lead the offense themselves and replace some of what IQ was giving us pre-trade.

no.


he overrated and overlaps too much with our current roster when healthy.


the one thing we wont do is to give up BOTH of our most important assets:

McBride + frps


for anything less than a star, or a significant upgrade that STARTS and plays bnext to brunson for 36mpg



Caruso is all-nba mid. we got enough of those guys on the team already

I'm with you. If theres a player out there that we can upgrade the starting 2 and put DDV at 6th man that would be ideal.
But if theres not then I think the 3rd guard needs to be someone more dynamic that could play with Brunson or DDV

[Wildcat]

Caruso def the type of player I'd want on this team, but does he provide enough self creation offensively for this unit?
A lot of open questions for the offseason but assuming our projected starters are back, then Deuce is slotted into the 2nd guard off the bench slot going into next season with a bench that includes Hart, Mitch (or a backup center) and Bogey (or a shooter at the 3/4). Ideally, I'd want someone who can lead the offense themselves and replace some of what IQ was giving us pre-trade.

Depends on how the substitution patterns work. When everyone was healthy (prior to the Detroit trade), Thibs would rest JB to let Randle be the focal point on offense. Rinse and repeat. But I think Josh going back to the bench stabilizes the bench because of the tempo he creates.

[Knicksfan1992]

Deuce and Caruso can play together because like I stated earlier Caruso is fantastic at guarding up. Deuce is much more willing to shoot and yeah Caruso is not an advanced creator but it's not like he's a static offensive player either. He had a 15% usage rate this year which is around the same amount of usage as Deuce and OG had which is more than enough for a backup. Especially, if he's going to be out there with guys like Deuce, Hart and Hartenstein who all create offense in their own ways. He's also extremely efficient. 61% True shooting this year and averaged over 4 assists per game. If there's one thing the Knicks lack it's consistent efficient scoring which is why we relied on offensive rebounding so much. We improved in that area this year once we got OG taking RJ's shots. Caruso would help up our efficiency offensively from our role players.

I will die on the hill that the Knicks likely have enough shot creation when fully healthy. Maybe they could use a little more juice but they were a top offense all year and especially in January. Now to the real reason you get Caruso...

Defensively, he's a straight up game changer. There's a reason he's going to be all-defense.

Bulls were in the 69th (nice) percentile defensively when he was on the floor and went to the 16th percentile defensively when he was off it... They went from solidly above average to awful. He single handedly probably won them some games defensively tbh.

He's top 5 in the league in defensive EPM ahead of guys like OG, Wembanyama, Bam and Draymond. He's top 10 in the league in defensive BPM. He led the league in STL% this year and was somehow top 20 at his size in block% too lol.

He's the type of guy that amplifies a really good team. Similar to how Hart had such an impact when he came here. He's playoff proven and a guy Thibs would absolutely love.

The Knicks should rightfully star hunt and do what they can to get top end talent in here but, they could do far worse than bringing in Caruso IMO. I honestly, think he should be one of their top targets.

[dakomish23]

No more Sims please. Make Precious the 3rd string back up C / 2nd string backup PF (when we need one).

Hart OG take all the minutes at the 3
Randle OG Precious all the minutes at the 4
Hartenstein Mitch (?) Precious all the minutes at the 5

[RHODEY]

I like Mikal. So, you start him at SG and lose all of Donte's shooting?

Last I checked, Bridges doesn't even create off the dribble as well as Donte, and Donte is hardly all NBA at that.

I'd like that Mikal will play the 40 games that OG doesn't.

Will Mikal be good with playing 28 mpg off the bench? If so, Knicks should get him.

You gain Mikal's scoring consistency and length defense while bolstering your bench with Divo .

Divo is crafty but his drives to the basket are hit or miss. Even his scoring ..it's feast or famine. That said he'd kill off the bench.

Mikal has been everything but consistent this season. I ain't shelving Divo to the bench for Bridges. He was supposed to take a leap this season.

Because he was put in the role of being the first option on **** team. As a 3rd option with his Villanova boys he'd thrive again. Divo from the bench only makes us better. The 39 point games are great but the 9 point games are unacceptable for a starting SG.

[TrueWarrior]

Caruso def the type of player I'd want on this team, but does he provide enough self creation offensively for this unit?
A lot of open questions for the offseason but assuming our projected starters are back, then Deuce is slotted into the 2nd guard off the bench slot going into next season with a bench that includes Hart, Mitch (or a backup center) and Bogey (or a shooter at the 3/4). Ideally, I'd want someone who can lead the offense themselves and replace some of what IQ was giving us pre-trade.

no.


he overrated and overlaps too much with our current roster when healthy.


the one thing we wont do is to give up BOTH of our most important assets:

McBride + frps


for anything less than a star, or a significant upgrade that STARTS and plays bnext to brunson for 36mpg



Caruso is all-nba mid. we got enough of those guys on the team already

I'm with you. If theres a player out there that we can upgrade the starting 2 and put DDV at 6th man that would be ideal.
But if theres not then I think the 3rd guard needs to be someone more dynamic that could play with Brunson or DDV

Why not start Caruso over Donte then?

I love me some Ragu, but if we have Jalen, Julius, and OG starting those are 3 good offensive options.

Donte really took off once Julius and OG went down. Before that he was barely averaging like 11-12 ppg.

Caruso could play the D/3 role at SG and Donte becomes 6th man offensive sparkplug. They both can play around 25-30 mpg.

Alex is not mid. He’s a 6’5” elite defender who has some PG skills and can shoot 40% from 3. He’s basically the guard version of OG.

[sol537]

Swap Bogs, McBride and a pick or two for Williams and Caruso and let's run this mutha back.

iHart / Mitch
Randle / Williams
OG / Hart
DDV / Burks
Brunson / Caruso

I'm here for it.

[Wildcat]

no.

he overrated and overlaps too much with our current roster when healthy.

the one thing we wont do is to give up BOTH of our most important assets:

McBride + frps

for anything less than a star, or a significant upgrade that STARTS and plays bnext to brunson for 36mpg

Caruso is all-nba mid. we got enough of those guys on the team already

I'm with you. If theres a player out there that we can upgrade the starting 2 and put DDV at 6th man that would be ideal.
But if theres not then I think the 3rd guard needs to be someone more dynamic that could play with Brunson or DDV

Why not start Caruso over Donte then?

I love me some Ragu, but if we have Jalen, Julius, and OG starting those are 3 good offensive options.

Donte really took off once Julius and OG went down. Before that he was barely averaging 10 ppg.

Caruso could play the D/3 role at SG and Donte becomes 6th man offensive sparkplug.

Alex is not mid. He’s a 6’5” elite defender who has some PG skills and can shoot 40% from 3. He’s basically the guard version of OG.

Donte was averaging 15 PPG with JB, Randle, and OG. 13 PPG game before the OG trade. Donte also spreads the fall a bit more than Alex. I prefer Donte as 2-guard.

[NoLayupRule]

I wonder if a team of bridges and OG would work

Both are sfs but I feel like either could switch to the 2

Imagine landing bridges for picks and bogon and Robinson?

Brunson / Duce
OG / devo
Bridges / hart
Randle / precious?
Hartenstien / ?