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Post#1081 » by KnixinSix » Today 3:16 pm

JayTWill wrote:I love Mitch but if the Knicks plan on keeping Brunson and KAT together i'm not sure he can cover for their defensive issues in the starting lineup. When he started the Pacers still had the floor spread out pulling him away from the basket negating a lot of his ability as a rim protector. KAT and Brunson are still going to get called into a lot of the actions. Mitch is pretty mobile for a big center but still not someone that can cut off the paint and get back out to shooters consistently. The two-big lineup feels very situational especially with another poor defender in Brunson on the court.

The Knicks were able to find many good defensive lineups with JB and KAT separated with and without Mitch but they still struggled to defend as a team even with Mitch paired with them in the small sample size we saw. I think I would prefer a more mobile forward with some rim protecting capabilities between those two and I would be open to moving Mitch if it helped to obtain that type of player. I would be even willing to gamble on developing that type of player in the draft.

Mitch's dominance on the glass would be missed but I think the Knicks could find another suitable backup center.


The potential Jabari Smith/Kessler trade and of course the Giannis and/or JJJ trades would likely accomplish this.
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Post#1082 » by Jalen Bluntson » Today 3:32 pm

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JayTWill wrote:I love Mitch but if the Knicks plan on keeping Brunson and KAT together i'm not sure he can cover for their defensive issues in the starting lineup. When he started the Pacers still had the floor spread out pulling him away from the basket negating a lot of his ability as a rim protector. KAT and Brunson are still going to get called into a lot of the actions. Mitch is pretty mobile for a big center but still not someone that can cut off the paint and get back out to shooters consistently. The two-big lineup feels very situational especially with another poor defender in Brunson on the court.

The Knicks were able to find many good defensive lineups with JB and KAT separated with and without Mitch but they still struggled to defend as a team even with Mitch paired with them in the small sample size we saw. I think I would prefer a more mobile forward with some rim protecting capabilities between those two and I would be open to moving Mitch if it helped to obtain that type of player. I would be even willing to gamble on developing that type of player in the draft.

Mitch's dominance on the glass would be missed but I think the Knicks could find another suitable backup center.


The potential Jabari Smith/Kessler trade and of course the Giannis and/or JJJ trades would likely accomplish this.


One of your 11 player 4 team trades would work. :lol: You went from Giannis/JJJ to Smith Kessler to another player not yet on the block in Booker. All of your trade ideas we win outright. It's magic. Until you call those other teams and they laugh at you.
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Post#1083 » by stuporman » Today 3:43 pm

Beal for George...who says no
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Post#1084 » by WargamesX » Today 3:47 pm

stuporman wrote:Beal for George...who says no

That’s actually not a bad trade if the Suns don’t care about the longer contract. Does it work mathematically though?
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Post#1085 » by thebuzzardman » Today 3:49 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:Hart, Mikal and Mitch for Booker

DO IT

Let's see if it's possible to win a chip with no defense from 3 different positions.

Brunson
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Hukporti/Nnaji/Who cares/18 fouls

LET'S GO!!!!!!!


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Post#1086 » by stuporman » Today 4:00 pm

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stuporman wrote:Beal for George...who says no

That’s actually not a bad trade if the Suns don’t care about the longer contract. Does it work mathematically though?


It only adds one year for the Suns and they make the same exact money, straight up works in the trade machine...pardon me while I go shower after using that thing I feel a little dirty. :lol:
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Post#1087 » by seren » Today 4:28 pm

Just for the fun of it, I looked at the 2022-23 roster’s salaries. Only four remaining players from that season (Brunson, Hart, Robinson, and McBride). Technically, it was not possible to keep that roster intact since we would be able to pay Hartenstein, but ignoring that, the roster would cost us 206 million for 10 players with an impending FA for Grimes and four other spots to fill. Not sure what the ceiling would be on that team but it would probably be the most expensive roster in the league with a Grimes extension and bunch of rookie/veteran minimum contracts.
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Post#1088 » by seren » Today 4:30 pm

stuporman wrote:Beal for George...who says no


Most likely both teams. At least for now. I don’t think Philly is ready to tank another season. Beal plays the same position as their best healthy player. Phoenix wouldn’t want to take an additional 50+ million in salaries.
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Post#1089 » by JayTWill » Today 4:44 pm

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JayTWill wrote:I love Mitch but if the Knicks plan on keeping Brunson and KAT together i'm not sure he can cover for their defensive issues in the starting lineup. When he started the Pacers still had the floor spread out pulling him away from the basket negating a lot of his ability as a rim protector. KAT and Brunson are still going to get called into a lot of the actions. Mitch is pretty mobile for a big center but still not someone that can cut off the paint and get back out to shooters consistently. The two-big lineup feels very situational especially with another poor defender in Brunson on the court.

The Knicks were able to find many good defensive lineups with JB and KAT separated with and without Mitch but they still struggled to defend as a team even with Mitch paired with them in the small sample size we saw. I think I would prefer a more mobile forward with some rim protecting capabilities between those two and I would be open to moving Mitch if it helped to obtain that type of player. I would be even willing to gamble on developing that type of player in the draft.

Mitch's dominance on the glass would be missed but I think the Knicks could find another suitable backup center.


The potential Jabari Smith/Kessler trade and of course the Giannis and/or JJJ trades would likely accomplish this.


Jabari is intriguing. He was someone I was looking at during the year as a potential mobile rim protector that could also stretch the floor. I like his potential as a high end role player with room to grow. My only concern is sometimes he looked a little stiff with a lack of explosiveness at times.

I like the players you named. I'm just not sure how available they are especially for what the Knicks have to offer. I wasn't a fan of pairing KAT and JB with their defensive liabilities and slightly awkward fit on the offensive end but at this point I wouldn't want to make any significant changes to the core just go chasing another big name to add another expensive piece to go alongside KAT and JB. I would give them at least until the deadline with a new coach and then possibly trade one of them if necessary while trying to maintain some depth.
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Post#1090 » by stuporman » Today 4:50 pm

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stuporman wrote:Beal for George...who says no


Most likely both teams. At least for now. I don’t think Philly is ready to tank another season. Beal plays the same position as their best healthy player. Phoenix wouldn’t want to take an additional 50+ million in salaries.


Have you seen the shiat show the Suns are now? I wouldn't put it past them.

I know the Sixers have all their young talent at the guard spots, Morey has been dumb but he probably isn't that dumb...of course, he might be.
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Post#1091 » by sol537 » Today 4:52 pm

PHX has like 50 guards now... they need a big... send them KAT for Booker. Book'er it.

Mitch / OG / Mikal / Booker / JB... let's go
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Post#1092 » by KnixinSix » Today 4:57 pm

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KnixinSix wrote:
JayTWill wrote:I love Mitch but if the Knicks plan on keeping Brunson and KAT together i'm not sure he can cover for their defensive issues in the starting lineup. When he started the Pacers still had the floor spread out pulling him away from the basket negating a lot of his ability as a rim protector. KAT and Brunson are still going to get called into a lot of the actions. Mitch is pretty mobile for a big center but still not someone that can cut off the paint and get back out to shooters consistently. The two-big lineup feels very situational especially with another poor defender in Brunson on the court.

The Knicks were able to find many good defensive lineups with JB and KAT separated with and without Mitch but they still struggled to defend as a team even with Mitch paired with them in the small sample size we saw. I think I would prefer a more mobile forward with some rim protecting capabilities between those two and I would be open to moving Mitch if it helped to obtain that type of player. I would be even willing to gamble on developing that type of player in the draft.

Mitch's dominance on the glass would be missed but I think the Knicks could find another suitable backup center.


The potential Jabari Smith/Kessler trade and of course the Giannis and/or JJJ trades would likely accomplish this.


Jabari is intriguing. He was someone I was looking at during the year as a potential mobile rim protector that could also stretch the floor. I like his potential as a high end role player with room to grow. My only concern is sometimes he looked a little stiff with a lack of explosiveness at times.

I like the players you named. I'm just not sure how available they are especially for what the Knicks have to offer. I wasn't a fan of pairing KAT and JB with their defensive liabilities and slightly awkward fit on the offensive end but at this point I wouldn't want to make any significant changes to the core just go chasing another big name to add another expensive piece to go alongside KAT and JB. I would give them at least until the deadline with a new coach and then possibly trade one of them if necessary while trying to maintain some depth.


If we are talking about keeping our top 3 (KAT, OG, Brunson) the Smith / Kessler trade with Houston makes the most sense. Houston has a 1-2 year Durant window now and just traded away Brooks. Mikal makes even MORE sense for them now than when they tried to trade 4 1st rd picks for him.

Their roster construction with Bridges (24.9M) shipping out Jabari (12M), Jock Landale (8M) and filler (4M ish) then rerouting the first round picks (2 or 3 depending on q6uality) to Utah works really really well and is realistic.


For Giannis and JJJ it would all depend on leverage. Only way we get either is if either basically try and push coming here. And with Giannis it would be Bucks basically saying we will honor your wishes.
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Post#1093 » by KnixinSix » Today 5:12 pm

sol537 wrote:PHX has like 50 guards now... they need a big... send them KAT for Booker. Book'er it.

Mitch / OG / Mikal / Booker / JB... let's go


I don't see them moving KAT unless its one of Giannis or JJJ. And even then I think they would try and pair KAT with one of them instead of trade him.
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Post#1094 » by seren » Today 5:13 pm

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seren wrote:
stuporman wrote:Beal for George...who says no


Most likely both teams. At least for now. I don’t think Philly is ready to tank another season. Beal plays the same position as their best healthy player. Phoenix wouldn’t want to take an additional 50+ million in salaries.


Have you seen the shiat show the Suns are now? I wouldn't put it past them.

I know the Sixers have all their young talent at the guard spots, Morey has been dumb but he probably isn't that dumb...of course, he might be.


If Morey goes for cost cutting, I can see him dumping that salary completely. Say trade George + 3rd pick to Brooklyn for nothing. I feel like George for Beal is redundant at this point.
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Post#1095 » by stuporman » Today 5:26 pm

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Most likely both teams. At least for now. I don’t think Philly is ready to tank another season. Beal plays the same position as their best healthy player. Phoenix wouldn’t want to take an additional 50+ million in salaries.


Have you seen the shiat show the Suns are now? I wouldn't put it past them.

I know the Sixers have all their young talent at the guard spots, Morey has been dumb but he probably isn't that dumb...of course, he might be.


If Morey goes for cost cutting, I can see him dumping that salary completely. Say trade George + 3rd pick to Brooklyn for nothing. I feel like George for Beal is redundant at this point.


Aint no way Morey is using the number 3 pick to dump George, he may use it to trade for multiple future 1sts. It would really surprise me if he did use it for that of course if he also got useful rotation players at positions of need in addition to dumping George maybe I could see it.

Not just for salary dumping, that's what he'd use a 14th pick for not a 3rd pick.
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Post#1096 » by JayTWill » Today 5:36 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
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The potential Jabari Smith/Kessler trade and of course the Giannis and/or JJJ trades would likely accomplish this.


Jabari is intriguing. He was someone I was looking at during the year as a potential mobile rim protector that could also stretch the floor. I like his potential as a high end role player with room to grow. My only concern is sometimes he looked a little stiff with a lack of explosiveness at times.

I like the players you named. I'm just not sure how available they are especially for what the Knicks have to offer. I wasn't a fan of pairing KAT and JB with their defensive liabilities and slightly awkward fit on the offensive end but at this point I wouldn't want to make any significant changes to the core just go chasing another big name to add another expensive piece to go alongside KAT and JB. I would give them at least until the deadline with a new coach and then possibly trade one of them if necessary while trying to maintain some depth.


If we are talking about keeping our top 3 (KAT, OG, Brunson) the Smith / Kessler trade with Houston makes the most sense. Houston has a 1-2 year Durant window now and just traded away Brooks. Mikal makes even MORE sense for them now than when they tried to trade 4 1st rd picks for him.

Their roster construction with Bridges (24.9M) shipping out Jabari (12M), Jock Landale (8M) and filler (4M ish) then rerouting the first round picks (2 or 3 depending on q6uality) to Utah works really really well and is realistic.


For Giannis and JJJ it would all depend on leverage. Only way we get either is if either basically try and push coming here. And with Giannis it would be Bucks basically saying we will honor your wishes.


We did just see Durant traded to Houston which could mean one of Jabari or Tari are available but we also saw that they did not give up any of the pieces you would want for Mikal. I have a feeling Phoenix would have preferred to have Jabari or Tari rather than adding another expensive shooting guard in Green along with Brooks to their team full of shooting guards and small wings. And no one wants those Phoenix picks more than Phoenix.

If Phoenix couldn't push for those pieces with an expiring Durant i'm not sure the Knicks could for an expiring Mikal. Mikal is younger but Durant is still considered the better player at this point. Who knows. Maybe Houston held those players and picks out for another offer for Mikal but I don't think he has that value currently.
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Post#1097 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Today 5:59 pm

We aren't getting Jabari, these off the wall trades where we end up with some under 23 year old player are crazy :lol:


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Post#1098 » by KnixinSix » Today 6:15 pm

JayTWill wrote:
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Jabari is intriguing. He was someone I was looking at during the year as a potential mobile rim protector that could also stretch the floor. I like his potential as a high end role player with room to grow. My only concern is sometimes he looked a little stiff with a lack of explosiveness at times.

I like the players you named. I'm just not sure how available they are especially for what the Knicks have to offer. I wasn't a fan of pairing KAT and JB with their defensive liabilities and slightly awkward fit on the offensive end but at this point I wouldn't want to make any significant changes to the core just go chasing another big name to add another expensive piece to go alongside KAT and JB. I would give them at least until the deadline with a new coach and then possibly trade one of them if necessary while trying to maintain some depth.


If we are talking about keeping our top 3 (KAT, OG, Brunson) the Smith / Kessler trade with Houston makes the most sense. Houston has a 1-2 year Durant window now and just traded away Brooks. Mikal makes even MORE sense for them now than when they tried to trade 4 1st rd picks for him.

Their roster construction with Bridges (24.9M) shipping out Jabari (12M), Jock Landale (8M) and filler (4M ish) then rerouting the first round picks (2 or 3 depending on q6uality) to Utah works really really well and is realistic.


For Giannis and JJJ it would all depend on leverage. Only way we get either is if either basically try and push coming here. And with Giannis it would be Bucks basically saying we will honor your wishes.


We did just see Durant traded to Houston which could mean one of Jabari or Tari are available but we also saw that they did not give up any of the pieces you would want for Mikal. I have a feeling Phoenix would have preferred to have Jabari or Tari rather than adding another expensive shooting guard in Green along with Brooks to their team full of shooting guards and small wings. And no one wants those Phoenix picks more than Phoenix.

If Phoenix couldn't push for those pieces with an expiring Durant i'm not sure the Knicks could for an expiring Mikal. Mikal is younger but Durant is still considered the better player at this point. Who knows. Maybe Houston held those players and picks out for another offer for Mikal but I don't think he has that value currently.



They are gonna want to fortify with established veterans around Durant. Their Durant timeline is 1 to 2 years tops. Ime LOVES Mikal. He is absolutely worth more than Jabari to them. And if we can turn it into Jabari and a couple first round picks, that would be Jabari and Kessler essentially for Mikal .
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Post#1099 » by Jalen Bluntson » Today 6:31 pm

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JayTWill wrote:
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If we are talking about keeping our top 3 (KAT, OG, Brunson) the Smith / Kessler trade with Houston makes the most sense. Houston has a 1-2 year Durant window now and just traded away Brooks. Mikal makes even MORE sense for them now than when they tried to trade 4 1st rd picks for him.

Their roster construction with Bridges (24.9M) shipping out Jabari (12M), Jock Landale (8M) and filler (4M ish) then rerouting the first round picks (2 or 3 depending on q6uality) to Utah works really really well and is realistic.


For Giannis and JJJ it would all depend on leverage. Only way we get either is if either basically try and push coming here. And with Giannis it would be Bucks basically saying we will honor your wishes.


We did just see Durant traded to Houston which could mean one of Jabari or Tari are available but we also saw that they did not give up any of the pieces you would want for Mikal. I have a feeling Phoenix would have preferred to have Jabari or Tari rather than adding another expensive shooting guard in Green along with Brooks to their team full of shooting guards and small wings. And no one wants those Phoenix picks more than Phoenix.

If Phoenix couldn't push for those pieces with an expiring Durant i'm not sure the Knicks could for an expiring Mikal. Mikal is younger but Durant is still considered the better player at this point. Who knows. Maybe Houston held those players and picks out for another offer for Mikal but I don't think he has that value currently.



They are gonna want to fortify with established veterans around Durant. Their Durant timeline is 1 to 2 years tops. Ime LOVES Mikal. He is absolutely worth more than Jabari to them. And if we can turn it into Jabari and a couple first round picks, that would be Jabari and Kessler essentially for Mikal .


They offered 4 FRPs for him. I want those picks plus the players. They are in win now mode. I'm not looking to do them any favors to get where I want to go. That's what a GM would think. Mikal is the best player in the trade. If they valued him that much last year, he's more valuable now that they are in a short window with Durant. Bleed them dry.
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Post#1100 » by KnixinSix » Today 6:38 pm

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We did just see Durant traded to Houston which could mean one of Jabari or Tari are available but we also saw that they did not give up any of the pieces you would want for Mikal. I have a feeling Phoenix would have preferred to have Jabari or Tari rather than adding another expensive shooting guard in Green along with Brooks to their team full of shooting guards and small wings. And no one wants those Phoenix picks more than Phoenix.

If Phoenix couldn't push for those pieces with an expiring Durant i'm not sure the Knicks could for an expiring Mikal. Mikal is younger but Durant is still considered the better player at this point. Who knows. Maybe Houston held those players and picks out for another offer for Mikal but I don't think he has that value currently.



They are gonna want to fortify with established veterans around Durant. Their Durant timeline is 1 to 2 years tops. Ime LOVES Mikal. He is absolutely worth more than Jabari to them. And if we can turn it into Jabari and a couple first round picks, that would be Jabari and Kessler essentially for Mikal .


They offered 4 FRPs for him. I want those picks plus the players. They are in win now mode. I'm not looking to do them any favors to get where I want to go. That's what a GM would think. Mikal is the best player in the trade. If they valued him that much last year, he's more valuable now that they are in a short window with Durant. Bleed them dry.


We arent getting BOTH Jabari and a boatload of picks . However Jabari as the centerpiece and then enough picks to get Kessler is a realistic and quite favorable goal for our optimized roster construction around KAT and Brunson.

Divo is a bonus above and can either not be done or done in a seperate deal as well. Minny is losing Naz Reid. Divo did not play nearly as well as he did in NY. Mitch is an excellent complement to Goebert in the Finch system that now has went to the WCF 2x. The other option is to send McBride and pieces (Kolek/Dadiet) if they prefer that.


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