The LeBron Thread

[Wilson Chandlaa]

add david lee to the thunder and ill still take the knicks. and as far as bosh hes not overrated, hes just not a player to win a team a championship but thats what lebrons for. pau gasol never did anything with memphis but adding him to the lakers won them a championship and bosh is better than gasol

Yep. Bosh is better than Gasol and Gasol played on a lot of terrible teams in Memphis.

yea and power forwards cant be successful when they dont have another star next to them because they cant take the ball on every possession and take over a game the way lebron, kobe, or wade can.

[Wilson Chandlaa]

Added to my previous post:


The Thunder is for real but would you definitely not take LeBron-Bosh-Gallo-Chandler-Walker-Douglas over Durant-Westbrook-Green-Harden-Ibaka?

It's arguable at worst, and I would take that potential Knick lineup over the Thunder.

The Thunder is benefiting from the short attention span and flavor of the week mentality in the world of sports. Same thing with Blazers a couple years ago. I'm not saying the Thunder is not legit, but teams always get way overrated when they make their first playoff splash.

Same thing happened when the Bulls first made the playoffs with Hinrich, Deng, Nocioni and did well in the playoffs. Then everybody crowned them the next champ, they won't nowhere, fizzled, and they gave key guys bad contracts (all of them in fact).

I think Thunder are legit but you can discount their reported greatness by about 20% to account for the constant hype machine on newcomers.

the only difference with the thunder is kevin durant. hes going to be a superstar so that team will be successful. the bulls didnt pan out because they didnt have a superstar and blazers didnt for the same reason. brandon roy is like joe johnson hes a great player but not a superstar

[ShowNTell]

Alright, Im trying to be unbias as possible, but Im going to try explain why Lebron is a better fit in NY than Chicago...

Tony Douglas - doesnt need to ball to be efficient of dominate, plays defense (will guard Rondo), hard nose, great work ethic, hard nose, great attitude. The guy didnt complain when he wasnt playing, and ended the season on a high note, also will take the big shot if neccessary. Still has work to do, but will develop into a special player, alongside a super-star.

Bill Walker - doesnt need the ball to be efficient, can hit the open three, physical, highly athletic, uses athleticsm to play good defense, threat in open court. Lebron would have so many assist throwing oops to him all game.

Wilson Chandler - can play great in the open court, and half court. Plays defense(best shot blocker on team, see game winning block against Atlanta 3/8/2010) Similar to Bill Walker, will be a big threat in open court with athleticsm. I believe Lebron will turn him, or Galo into a allstar.


Gallo - Tall, stretches floor, 3 point specialist, can put the ball on the floor, hard nose, plays defense, high basketball IQ, unselfish, very high potential, interchangeable positions. You guys say we are overhyped on Gallo, but he has proven himself, with a bum back, and over paid veteran chuckers.


Earl Barron - LOL try not to laugh, but the guy had 18, and 17 on the front line of the Eastern Conference Champs (Celtics) April 6, 2010. He would be a serviceable big man, along side Chris Bosh.


Eddy Curry - his expirng will bring us another banger in the paint with Bosh, and Barron, possibly Okafur, who knows?


Lets not forget to mention Tony Parker has expressed interest for playing with the Knicks recently.


Tracy Mcgrady, and Eddie House TBA

[Action Paxson]

LeBron-Bosh-Gallo is a title trio.

LeBron-Rose-Noah is arguably worse.

And I'll take Douglas-Chandler-Walker-Curry's expiring over Hinrich-Taj-Deng.

Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, and Derrick Rose are the only active NBA players that were all-stars at age 21. Rose improved a lot from the time he came into the league. He's got a great attitude and work ethic. He's got all the makings of an elite player.

Also, the Bulls have a lot of other assets you aren't mentioning. Omer Asik is coming over either this year or the next. He's 7' 1" 250 the best shot blocker in Europe. He'd be a first round pick in this years draft. We have the 17th pick in this years draft. We'll have about 4 more million to spend on a free-agent after we sign a MAX free-agent. We have all of our future 1st round picks. We have the Bobcats pick in 2012.

The Bulls roster is a lot more complete than the Knicks. If you swapped David Lee and Chris Bosh the Knicks still aren't a playoff team. The Bulls would have been in the hunt for the 5th seed if they weren't killed by injuries. I'm not saying the Knicks wouldn't be able to get to championship level if they got LeBron and Bosh, they would certainly have the cornerstones. I just see the Bulls being better sooner and longer if he's going to win many championships.

[Wilson Chandlaa]

Alright, Im trying to be unbias as possible, but Im going to try explain why Lebron is a better fit in NY than Chicago...

Tony Douglas - doesnt need to ball to be efficient of dominate, plays defense (will guard Rondo), hard nose, great work ethic, hard nose, great attitude. The guy didnt complain when he wasnt playing, and ended the season on a high note, also will take the big shot if neccessary. Still has work to do, but will develop into a special player, alongside a super-star.

Bill Walker - doesnt need the ball to be efficient, can hit the open three, physical, highly athletic, uses athleticsm to play good defense, threat in open court. Lebron would have so many assist throwing oops to him all game.

Wilson Chandler - can play great in the open court, and half court. Plays defense(best shot blocker on team, see game winning block against Atlanta 3/8/2010) Similar to Bill Walker, will be a big threat in open court with athleticsm. I believe Lebron will turn him, or Galo into a allstar.


Gallo - Tall, stretches floor, 3 point specialist, can put the ball on the floor, hard nose, plays defense, high basketball IQ, unselfish, very high potential, interchangeable positions. You guys say we are overhyped on Gallo, but he has proven himself, with a bum back, and over paid veteran chuckers.


Earl Barron - LOL try not to laugh, but the guy had 18, and 17 on the front line of the Eastern Conference Champs (Celtics) April 6, 2010. He would be a serviceable big man, along side Chris Bosh.


Eddy Curry - his expirng will bring us another banger in the paint with Bosh, and Barron, possibly Okafur, who knows?


Lets not forget to mention Tony Parker has expressed interest for playing with the Knicks recently.


Tracy Mcgrady, and Eddie House TBA

exactly, and once again all those guys will look better next to lebron. i hope we dont trade chandler too early because with lebrons influence this kid will turn into a stud

[ShowNTell]

Now the bulls....

Derrick Rose - Terrific player, but ball dominant, wouldnt maximize his game, nor Lebrons game.

Noah - Great tough player, not a great post defender, basically has hit his ceiling, above average garbage man (see Barron)

Kirk Hinrich - solid point guard, above average 2nd string point guard, considered soft around the league, see Boston/Chicago playoff series, didnt really want to fight.

Deng - good player, only plays for contracts. He even dissapointed me with his poor play, If it was a contract year, he'd be a good fit.

Brad Miller - skilled big man, not the type of center, thats going to battle down low, in a hard nose playoff series with Garnett, Perkins, Bynum, Howard, etc

Everyone else - cant get a feel for there game.

[Wilson Chandlaa]

LeBron-Bosh-Gallo is a title trio.

LeBron-Rose-Noah is arguably worse.

And I'll take Douglas-Chandler-Walker-Curry's expiring over Hinrich-Taj-Deng.

Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, and Derrick Rose are the only active NBA players that were all-stars at age 21. Rose improved a lot from the time he came into the league. He's got a great attitude and work ethic. He's got all the makings of an elite player.

Also, the Bulls have a lot of other assets you aren't mentioning. Omer Asik is coming over either this year or the next. He's 7' 1" 250 the best shot blocker in Europe. He'd be a first round pick in this years draft. We have the 17th pick in this years draft. We'll have about 4 more million to spend on a free-agent after we sign a MAX free-agent. We have all of our future 1st round picks. We have the Bobcats pick in 2012.

The Bulls roster is a lot more complete than the Knicks. If you swapped David Lee and Chris Bosh the Knicks still aren't a playoff team. The Bulls would have been in the hunt for the 5th seed if they weren't killed by injuries. I'm not saying the Knicks wouldn't be able to get to championship level if they got LeBron and Bosh, they would certainly have the cornerstones. I just see the Bulls being better sooner and longer if he's going to win many championships.

no one said rose isnt good and he will be an elite player. but bosh is already an elite player and gallo as that same potential to be an elite player. and as far as other supporting players lebron needs shooters because of all the double teams he gets. donnie walsh has been planning this for two years and he built the best supporting cast he possibly could for lebron

[KnicksScholar24]

Lebron wants to win championships....and SOON. Playing alongside Bosh gets them yearly visits to the playoffs but it doesn't make them a championship contender.

Lebron knows wherever he signs, that he'd want to win a ring within two years. On the Bulls, that's realistic since they have the assets on their roster now, or the assets to trade to get better within two years.

On the Knicks, it would still be a 3 to 4 year plan which at that point other teams around the league may be far ahead of the Knicks including teams like the Bulls, Heat, Thunder, Nets...while even more teams like the Sixers, Wizards could be or will be as good as the Knicks.

How in the world did you come to this assumption?

[ShowNTell]

LeBron-Bosh-Gallo is a title trio.

LeBron-Rose-Noah is arguably worse.

And I'll take Douglas-Chandler-Walker-Curry's expiring over Hinrich-Taj-Deng.

Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, and Derrick Rose are the only active NBA players that were all-stars at age 21. Rose improved a lot from the time he came into the league. He's got a great attitude and work ethic. He's got all the makings of an elite player.

Also, the Bulls have a lot of other assets you aren't mentioning. Omer Asik is coming over either this year or the next. He's 7' 1" 250 the best shot blocker in Europe. He'd be a first round pick in this years draft. We have the 17th pick in this years draft. We'll have about 4 more million to spend on a free-agent after we sign a MAX free-agent. We have all of our future 1st round picks. We have the Bobcats pick in 2012.

The Bulls roster is a lot more complete than the Knicks. If you swapped David Lee and Chris Bosh the Knicks still aren't a playoff team. The Bulls would have been in the hunt for the 5th seed if they weren't killed by injuries. I'm not saying the Knicks wouldn't be able to get to championship level if they got LeBron and Bosh, they would certainly have the cornerstones. I just see the Bulls being better sooner and longer if he's going to win many championships.

Rose is a great player, hell of a talent, but hes going to be another All-star point guard that doesnt really get it done, but he will impress you. He will be another Iverson, Marbury, Francis, tim hardaway, jason williams, great crossover dribble, nice dunks, etc. Notice those PG put up numbers, but never won. How many assist does Rose average? Also he will never surpass Paul, or Williams, because his game is based on scoring, and athleticism, not quality point guard skills.

[Bigmo5246]

LeBron-Bosh-Gallo is a title trio.

LeBron-Rose-Noah is arguably worse.

And I'll take Douglas-Chandler-Walker-Curry's expiring over Hinrich-Taj-Deng.

Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, and Derrick Rose are the only active NBA players that were all-stars at age 21. Rose improved a lot from the time he came into the league. He's got a great attitude and work ethic. He's got all the makings of an elite player.

Also, the Bulls have a lot of other assets you aren't mentioning. Omer Asik is coming over either this year or the next. He's 7' 1" 250 the best shot blocker in Europe. He'd be a first round pick in this years draft. We have the 17th pick in this years draft. We'll have about 4 more million to spend on a free-agent after we sign a MAX free-agent. We have all of our future 1st round picks. We have the Bobcats pick in 2012.

The Bulls roster is a lot more complete than the Knicks. If you swapped David Lee and Chris Bosh the Knicks still aren't a playoff team. The Bulls would have been in the hunt for the 5th seed if they weren't killed by injuries. I'm not saying the Knicks wouldn't be able to get to championship level if they got LeBron and Bosh, they would certainly have the cornerstones. I just see the Bulls being better sooner and longer if he's going to win many championships.

I don't see how the Bulls have such a "complete" roster. The only player on that team worth going crazy over is Rose... thats it. Noah is, like i mentioned before, replaceable and knicks can get a guy like him anywhere. Miller isn't good, Deng is OK but not worth the money he's paid. Hinrich isn't as good as some bulls fans make him seem. And everyone else is just ehh. People really underestimate NY's roster. Gallo can be a star one day, Chandler is another player who can be an all star possibly, Walker is a great athlete who can shoot the ball, and Douglas has potential to be a sold PG who plays defense. The only player I can't stand up for is Curry, but he is an expiring so Walsh can work something out with him. Add Lebron and Bosh to that and you have a contending team.

[KnicksScholar24]

Also, the Bulls have a lot of other assets you aren't mentioning. Omer Asik is coming over either this year or the next. He's 7' 1" 250 the best shot blocker in Europe. He'd be a first round pick in this years draft. We have the 17th pick in this years draft. We'll have about 4 more million to spend on a free-agent after we sign a MAX free-agent. We have all of our future 1st round picks. We have the Bobcats pick in 2012.

The Bulls roster is a lot more complete than the Knicks. If you swapped David Lee and Chris Bosh the Knicks still aren't a playoff team. The Bulls would have been in the hunt for the 5th seed if they weren't killed by injuries. I'm not saying the Knicks wouldn't be able to get to championship level if they got LeBron and Bosh, they would certainly have the cornerstones. I just see the Bulls being better sooner and longer if he's going to win many championships.

I have to agree that is a solid point to your argument, solely based on the draft pick situation for each team, as a means to improve the team. Chicago does have more draft assets. How well they will draft is unknown. I also doubt this Asik players is anything special.

The Knicks, I do feel, can and will buy late first round picks if necessary. The Knicks having less picks doesn't necessarily means they are assured of not being able to improve their team in the future, via the draft or not. If they are an elite EC team (either the Bulls or the Knicks, assuming they sign James), their first round picks would figure to be at the bottom of the first round anyway. The same range that the Knicks will likely be able to buy first round picks. The pick/swap option Walsh traded away in the McGrady deal could very well hold little consequence for New York in the long run.

[Knicks_Blood10]

LeBron humbled by Bloomberg's Knicks pitch

LeBron James says he was humbled by Mayor Bloomberg pitching for him to come to New York, but is quick to point out President Obama's preference is for the NBA superstar to go to Chicago.
"I mean the mayor of New York is -- he's great. I mean he's -- he's done some great things. But it is humbling, and not just from the mayor of New York, but, you know, you had a President saying ... you know, go to Chicago," James said Tuesday.
"You have other cities and -- and other people wanting you to be a part of their city, wanting you to be part of their franchise. It's very humbling, because I work very hard at my craft and what I do. So it pays off."

James, a likely free agent July 1, filmed an interview with CNN's Larry King on Tuesday, and talked about an enormous number of topics.
The reference to Bloomberg was the only discussion of New York, because King never asked James directly about playing for the Knicks or Nets. There was talk of the Cavaliers superstar refusing to play for a losing team, but it was not clear if the two New York teams were considered part of that mix.
Obama may have another edge over Bloomberg, with James saying "I was a Chicago Bulls, Michael Jordan fan growing up," but it did not seem James would go play for the Bobcats, which Jordan now owns.
"I've never thought about it," James said. "I do think it's great that he owns the team. You see a former player in our league and you see Mike and the things that he was able to do on the court. To see him still being successful off the court I think is awesome."
James confirmed he intends to at least talk to the other top free agents -- Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson -- and speculated what life without an NBA salary cap would be like.
"If we could, you know, we would -- you know, if it was like baseball, we would all go to the same team," James said. "We can’t do that unfortunately."
James did not say he needed to choose his head coach.
"No, not really ...," he said. "You know, a lot of great coaches have been part of this league for years. But I'm not one to go into the off year and say this is who I want my coach to be. Now, there are some coaches, that, you know, if I had an opportunity to play for, I would be delighted. But I'm not as far as -- as picking a coach."
Whoever that unnamed coach and future teammates are would have to be part of a team that could win more than one NBA championship.
"The team that I go to or -- or, you know, whatever the case may be -- will have an opportunity to win championships in multiple years and not just because of LeBron James," he said.
James did admit to another factor: what it means to play for the Cavaliers in his hometown, where the King interview was conducted.
"It's a Cleveland-Akron team, because I grew up in Akron," James said. "I mean Akron is less than 30 miles south of Cleveland. ...
"My whole family is here. You know, when I played high school basketball, where I grew up, in the projects, a lot of -- a lot of things mean home for me here. And -- and it's not just about the basketball court."
James said no matter who he talks to, the decision to sign will be his.
"Ultimately, that one person is me," he said. "You know, if I -- you know, even with the discussion with the rest of the free agents, with my friends, those free agents, with my supporting cast, ultimately, it's going to -- it's going to be me.
"I'm going to have to sit down and say, 'Where do you want to play?' "

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/more_from_lebron_interview_with_DlHDAiP4M9TuJ2hTZYnrRO

Funny how he was quick to mention Obama trying to get him to play in Chicago.

[Childs2Dudley]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVDDz9kF3WY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

[livintoolive]

LeBron humbled by Bloomberg's Knicks pitch

LeBron James says he was humbled by Mayor Bloomberg pitching for him to come to New York, but is quick to point out President Obama's preference is for the NBA superstar to go to Chicago.
"I mean the mayor of New York is -- he's great. I mean he's -- he's done some great things. But it is humbling, and not just from the mayor of New York, but, you know, you had a President saying ... you know, go to Chicago," James said Tuesday.
"You have other cities and -- and other people wanting you to be a part of their city, wanting you to be part of their franchise. It's very humbling, because I work very hard at my craft and what I do. So it pays off."

James, a likely free agent July 1, filmed an interview with CNN's Larry King on Tuesday, and talked about an enormous number of topics.
The reference to Bloomberg was the only discussion of New York, because King never asked James directly about playing for the Knicks or Nets. There was talk of the Cavaliers superstar refusing to play for a losing team, but it was not clear if the two New York teams were considered part of that mix.
Obama may have another edge over Bloomberg, with James saying "I was a Chicago Bulls, Michael Jordan fan growing up," but it did not seem James would go play for the Bobcats, which Jordan now owns.
"I've never thought about it," James said. "I do think it's great that he owns the team. You see a former player in our league and you see Mike and the things that he was able to do on the court. To see him still being successful off the court I think is awesome."
James confirmed he intends to at least talk to the other top free agents -- Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson -- and speculated what life without an NBA salary cap would be like.
"If we could, you know, we would -- you know, if it was like baseball, we would all go to the same team," James said. "We can’t do that unfortunately."
James did not say he needed to choose his head coach.
"No, not really ...," he said. "You know, a lot of great coaches have been part of this league for years. But I'm not one to go into the off year and say this is who I want my coach to be. Now, there are some coaches, that, you know, if I had an opportunity to play for, I would be delighted. But I'm not as far as -- as picking a coach."
Whoever that unnamed coach and future teammates are would have to be part of a team that could win more than one NBA championship.
"The team that I go to or -- or, you know, whatever the case may be -- will have an opportunity to win championships in multiple years and not just because of LeBron James," he said.
James did admit to another factor: what it means to play for the Cavaliers in his hometown, where the King interview was conducted.
"It's a Cleveland-Akron team, because I grew up in Akron," James said. "I mean Akron is less than 30 miles south of Cleveland. ...
"My whole family is here. You know, when I played high school basketball, where I grew up, in the projects, a lot of -- a lot of things mean home for me here. And -- and it's not just about the basketball court."
James said no matter who he talks to, the decision to sign will be his.
"Ultimately, that one person is me," he said. "You know, if I -- you know, even with the discussion with the rest of the free agents, with my friends, those free agents, with my supporting cast, ultimately, it's going to -- it's going to be me.
"I'm going to have to sit down and say, 'Where do you want to play?' "

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/more_from_lebron_interview_with_DlHDAiP4M9TuJ2hTZYnrRO

Funny how he was quick to mention Obama trying to get him to play in Chicago.

He mentions both because he's an attention whore. At the end of the day, only one of them is a billionaire.

[versifiervt]

Back to the Thunder. Let's lay out some facts here.

Lebron's Cavs took advantage of a weak Eastern Conference while the Celts nurtured their injured players for basically the whole entire season.

OKC meanwhile, battled a much tougher Western conference and were the closest to beating the Lakers in the playoffs.

Durant, at the age of TWENTY-ONE people was second in the MVP voting...and again on a team that has to play in a tougher conference.

As for the Knicks so-called talent...Gallo, Chandler, Douglas...put any of the Thunder young talent in D'Antoni's system, and I'm pretty confident their #s skyrocket over what any of these guys have done. Remember D'Antoni is the same guy who's made players like Barbosa and Diaw look real good. So to see Gallo, Chandler, and Douglas not be able to be as consistent or explosive as the Sun's team D'Antoni once had speaks volumes.

Guys remember, there are analysts and experts around this country who know more than us...who follow talent around the country for a living. Let's not go crazy here. The facts are the facts. You people short-change every team's players cuz they don't play for the Knicks. LOL. And if I'm sounding like a Thunder fan...i'm not. I'm from the tri-state area and just love watching basketball. I get to read all the media around here, but I sure don't ignore what's being written else-where.

If Lebron comes to the Knicks, it won't be because he believe it's his best chance to win a ring anytime soon.

[VinnyTheMick]

Absolutely
Terrible
MC

hahahahahahaha

[Jay10]

Iron Chef Will Cook For LeBron If He Stays In Cleveland

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... cleveland/

someone should slap this guy with a brick

[Wilson Chandlaa]

Back to the Thunder. Let's lay out some facts here.

Lebron's Cavs took advantage of a weak Eastern Conference while the Celts nurtured their injured players for basically the whole entire season.

OKC meanwhile, battled a much tougher Western conference and were the closest to beating the Lakers in the playoffs.

Durant, at the age of TWENTY-ONE people was second in the MVP voting...and again on a team that has to play in a tougher conference.

As for the Knicks so-called talent...Gallo, Chandler, Douglas...put any of the Thunder young talent in D'Antoni's system, and I'm pretty confident their #s skyrocket over what any of these guys have done. Remember D'Antoni is the same guy who's made players like Barbosa and Diaw look real good. So to see Gallo, Chandler, and Douglas not be able to be as consistent or explosive as the Sun's team D'Antoni once had speaks volumes.

Guys remember, there are analysts and experts around this country who know more than us...who follow talent around the country for a living. Let's not go crazy here. The facts are the facts. You people short-change every team's players cuz they don't play for the Knicks. LOL. And if I'm sounding like a Thunder fan...i'm not. I'm from the tri-state area and just love watching basketball. I get to read all the media around here, but I sure don't ignore what's being written else-where.

If Lebron comes to the Knicks, it won't be because he believe it's his best chance to win a ring anytime soon.

no one agrees with you. your so far off. we know no one says the knicks roster is good but how many people thought the thunder were going to be good. no one thought they would be a playoff team. when we watch our players play 82 games a year we see the potential in them. gallo was basically a rookie last year Douglas was a rookie and walker played in less games than gallo in his career. and Chandler is going into his 4th year. so if your so naive to think the knicks won't be a championship contender with lebron and bosh you should stop posting because your making yourself look dumb

[versifiervt]

no one thought they would be a playoff team. when we watch our players play 82 games a year we see the potential in them. gallo was basically a rookie last year Douglas was a rookie and walker played in less games than gallo in his career. and Chandler is going into his 4th year. so if your so naive to think the knicks won't be a championship contender with lebron and bosh you should stop posting because your making yourself look dumb

Classy. LOL. So I guess the rest of the country outside of NY is dumb too. LMAO.

[delvec19]

Oh crap.