Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread

bringbackhoffa · Post #1101 » by **bringbackhoffa** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:26 pm

nice beal pick-up, i was debating btw him and Bradley when i was up

Knicksfan20 · Post #1102 » by **Knicksfan20** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:31 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:
He's producing on a lotto-team...

According to the rules, this is a win-now tournament. And as one of the judges, I will be taking everything into consideration, but what a players potential, or how they project is moot. I will however, consider players and their potential to fulfill different roles on these BAT sqauds then they are designated on their current teams. Players like Kevin Love; who with the Cavs is a 3rd option spot-up stretch4, will be judged according to his current 2nd option role and what that would mean based on his skillset. Same goes for current bench players who will be playing starting roles in this competition. Or even current starters who will be playing bench roles in this competition.

Players need to be put in the right role, with the right complimentary players, to get the best out of them. But future potential has no bearing.

I always believed in the past that BATs should have been judged exaxtly this way. With win now teams having a bigger impact in the overall voting. But being able to build a balanced win now/win later team should get judged well too.

swisscheeseD · Post #1103 » by **swisscheeseD** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:37 pm

Also, I'm just happy that nobody got **** over selecting Rudy Gay prior to his injury last night. This is about the time in the draft that he actually becomes considered to be a selection. In a win-now tournament thats focus is on the remainder of this season, those types of injuries do occur and can take a GM out of contention. It is what it is, and is all luck (or bad luck I should say), but its what every real life team has to deal with as well.

What I would propose, is that a GM can file for an "Injured Player Exemption" in the event of a confirmed "Out for the season" diagnosis. At that point, the comBISHioner would accept and grant the exemption and allow that GM to make another selection effective immediately after the current person on the clock (as to not screw over that guy in missing out on his guy). But it has to be a confirmed out for the season diagnosis.

Just my 2cents.

swisscheeseD · Post #1104 » by **swisscheeseD** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:38 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:
He's producing on a lotto-team...

According to the rules, this is a win-now tournament. And as one of the judges, I will be taking everything into consideration, but what a players potential, or how they project is moot. I will however, consider players and their potential to fulfill different roles on these BAT sqauds then they are designated on their current teams. Players like Kevin Love; who with the Cavs is a 3rd option spot-up stretch4, will be judged according to his current 2nd option role and what that would mean based on his skillset. Same goes for current bench players who will be playing starting roles in this competition. Or even current starters who will be playing bench roles in this competition.

Players need to be put in the right role, with the right complimentary players, to get the best out of them. But future potential has no bearing.

I always believed in the past that BATs should have been judged exaxtly this way. With win now teams having a bigger impact in the overall voting. But being able to build a balanced win now/win later team should get judged well too.

Well, those weren't the rules of this BAT.

Post #1105 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:47 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:0 Reason why Wiggins should have fallen to me this late in the draft. Ill take it. Young core building up. Kyrie borderline MVP finals candidate.

I'm not a fan of his game. Doesn't rebound, doesn't pass. He scores but on the fast break and in the mid range. Doesn't really have the 3 pointer in his game either. Not the most efficient scorer 18 shots to avg 21 ppg.

El Poochio · Post #1106 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:50 pm

Spree I am sorry but I have some bad news, I think Adams and Melo can not board the banana boat together

Post #1107 » by **j4remi** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:51 pm

I'm sorta shocked Wiggins fell this far. I like him better than some SG's already taken but I can see the arguments against as well.

bishnykfan · Post #1108 » by **bishnykfan** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:55 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:Also, I'm just happy that nobody got **** over selecting Rudy Gay prior to his injury last night. This is about the time in the draft that he actually becomes considered to be a selection. In a win-now tournament thats focus is on the remainder of this season, those types of injuries do occur and can take a GM out of contention. It is what it is, and is all luck (or bad luck I should say), but its what every real life team has to deal with as well.

What I would propose, is that a GM can file for an "Injured Player Exemption" in the event of a confirmed "Out for the season" diagnosis. At that point, the comBISHioner would accept and grant the exemption and allow that GM to make another selection effective immediately after the current person on the clock (as to not screw over that guy in missing out on his guy). But it has to be a confirmed out for the season diagnosis.

Just my 2cents.

I was going to address the Rudy Gay injury later today after his Achilles rupture was confirmed but since you brought him up I'll do it now. My thoughts have always been that no GM should be punished due to a "freak injury" to a player that was healthy when he was drafted. Since this is a "fantasy" draft/league I've instructed the judges in the past to "ignore" injuries like this and judge the player as he was when he was drafted. Call it the "CSF/Mike Conley rule". If Gay was drafted yesterday that GM would not punished by the judges because he was healthy at the time he was picked. If someone picks Gay today, then yes, it sounds like he is done for the year.

Also if an injury prone player is drafted the judges will take those past injuries into account when judging that team in their regular season rankings.

I don't think an "injured player exemption" works in this type of draft. If a top 20 player gets hurt a week from now and is out for the year, no sixth round pick will make up for that loss. That GM should not be hurt by that "freak injury".

El Poochio · Post #1109 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:59 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:Also, I'm just happy that nobody got **** over selecting Rudy Gay prior to his injury last night. This is about the time in the draft that he actually becomes considered to be a selection. In a win-now tournament thats focus is on the remainder of this season, those types of injuries do occur and can take a GM out of contention. It is what it is, and is all luck (or bad luck I should say), but its what every real life team has to deal with as well.

What I would propose, is that a GM can file for an "Injured Player Exemption" in the event of a confirmed "Out for the season" diagnosis. At that point, the comBISHioner would accept and grant the exemption and allow that GM to make another selection effective immediately after the current person on the clock (as to not screw over that guy in missing out on his guy). But it has to be a confirmed out for the season diagnosis.

Just my 2cents.

Easier solution, just make it injury free, this is a fantasy land anyway, I mean depth, injury proneness, durability, fitness still comes into play within this fantasy world but the real life injuries started to happen after the draft started (ie this world created) shouldnt injure their clones or their versions in a different dimension like this one

LJ4pointplay · Post #1110 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:00 pm

Derozan can be had. Interested in packaging him for an upgrade or trading him for a player and depth. Very open minded.

NewEra · Post #1111 » by **NewEra** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:01 pm

CP3 is also out for 2 months. Don't think it would be fair to hold that against Br7.

bringbackhoffa · Post #1112 » by **bringbackhoffa** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:04 pm

NewEra wrote:CP3 is also out for 2 months. Don't think it would be fair to hold that against Br7.

to be honest I think it should be fair to hold it against him because he did select an aging player with plenty of wear and tear who has only had 1 healthy season in the past 6 years.

El Poochio · Post #1113 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:05 pm

NewEra wrote:CP3 is also out for 2 months. Don't think it would be fair to hold that against Br7.

RIP

If its not then I am getting Rudy Gay with my next pick ooooooooh

pelifan · Post #1114 » by **pelifan** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:07 pm

El Poochio wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:Also, I'm just happy that nobody got **** over selecting Rudy Gay prior to his injury last night. This is about the time in the draft that he actually becomes considered to be a selection. In a win-now tournament thats focus is on the remainder of this season, those types of injuries do occur and can take a GM out of contention. It is what it is, and is all luck (or bad luck I should say), but its what every real life team has to deal with as well.

What I would propose, is that a GM can file for an "Injured Player Exemption" in the event of a confirmed "Out for the season" diagnosis. At that point, the comBISHioner would accept and grant the exemption and allow that GM to make another selection effective immediately after the current person on the clock (as to not screw over that guy in missing out on his guy). But it has to be a confirmed out for the season diagnosis.

Just my 2cents.

Easier solution, just make it injury free, this is a fantasy land anyway, I mean depth, injury proneness, durability, fitness still comes into play within this fantasy world but the real life injuries started to happen after the draft started (ie this world created) shouldnt injure their clones or their versions in a different dimension like this one

That's a weird statement even for you.

NewEra · Post #1115 » by **NewEra** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:09 pm

If the injury happened during the draft it's wack to hold it against a guy. Now if someone drafts Chris Duhon for example who hasn't played the entire season, then yea I could see holding it against the person.

El Poochio · Post #1116 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:11 pm

NewEra wrote:If the injury happened during the draft it's wack to hold it against a guy. Now if someone drafts Duchess of Cambridge for example who hasn't played the entire season, then yea I could see holding it against the person.

Name drops tear drops pls

El Poochio · Post #1117 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:12 pm

pelifan wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:Also, I'm just happy that nobody got **** over selecting Rudy Gay prior to his injury last night. This is about the time in the draft that he actually becomes considered to be a selection. In a win-now tournament thats focus is on the remainder of this season, those types of injuries do occur and can take a GM out of contention. It is what it is, and is all luck (or bad luck I should say), but its what every real life team has to deal with as well.

What I would propose, is that a GM can file for an "Injured Player Exemption" in the event of a confirmed "Out for the season" diagnosis. At that point, the comBISHioner would accept and grant the exemption and allow that GM to make another selection effective immediately after the current person on the clock (as to not screw over that guy in missing out on his guy). But it has to be a confirmed out for the season diagnosis.

Just my 2cents.

Easier solution, just make it injury free, this is a fantasy land anyway, I mean depth, injury proneness, durability, fitness still comes into play within this fantasy world but the real life injuries started to happen after the draft started (ie this world created) shouldnt injure their clones or their versions in a different dimension like this one

That's a weird statement even for you.

The GOAT Commish just said the same thing lol

swisscheeseD · Post #1118 » by **swisscheeseD** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:12 pm

I'm of a different belief...yes, this is fantasy land, but the point of "REALgm" is to make a competition like this as REAL as possible. We're judging this as a win-now for this season based on the progression/regression of the current NBA. Why wouldn't injuries be taken into consideration? Why should I judge a Derrick Rose any differently based on his injury history, than potentially a guy like Rudy Gay who is now out for the year, but never had injury concerns? Obviously injury history plays its role, but I don't believe I should excuse a players current injury status because it's "not fair" to the GM who selected him. Anybody feel bad for Doc Rivers and the Clippers for Chris Paul's upcoming 1-2 month absence? Should the rest of the NBA play the games with Raymond Felton's in-game sliders turned up to CP3's attributes? Injuries happen and they should be factored.

Yes, a 6th round pick doesn't make up for a 1st or 2nd round loss...but it does help and allows them to at least add a piece to help offset some of that. They keep the player who was drafted initially. Depending on when the injury occurs, you factor that players contributions during the regular season up until that point. But why should I be judging a team in a playoff series playing a player who is out for the playoffs? God forbid a scenario in which one of these players dies in-season...do I judge his team as if he were still alive? :lol:

NewEra · Post #1119 » by **NewEra** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:13 pm

El Poochio wrote:
NewEra wrote:If the injury happened during the draft it's wack to hold it against a guy. Now if someone drafts Duchess of Cambridge for example who hasn't played the entire season, then yea I could see holding it against the person.

Name drops tear drops pls

Doubt he gets taken but My bad lol

NewEra · Post #1120 » by **NewEra** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:15 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:I'm of a different belief...yes, this is fantasy land, but the point of "REALgm" is to make a competition like this as REAL as possible. We're judging this as a win-now for this season based on the progression/regression of the current NBA. Why wouldn't injuries be taken into consideration? Why should I judge a Derrick Rose any differently based on his injury history, than potentially a guy like Rudy Gay who is now out for the year, but never had injury concerns? Obviously injury history plays its role, but I don't believe I should excuse a players current injury status because it's "not fair" to the GM who selected him. Anybody feel bad for Doc Rivers and the Clippers for Chris Paul's upcoming 1-2 month absence? Should the rest of the NBA play the games with Raymond Felton's in-game sliders turned up to CP3's attributes? Injuries happen and they should be factored.

Yes, a 6th round pick doesn't make up for a 1st or 2nd round loss...but it does help and allows them to at least add a piece to help offset some of that. They keep the player who was drafted initially. Depending on when the injury occurs, you factor that players contributions during the regular season up until that point. But why should I be judging a team in a playoff series playing a player who is out for the playoffs? God forbid a scenario in which one of these players dies in-season...do I judge his team as if he were still alive?

Hey not funny

. I use to have Bryce Desean Jones....even though I ended up trading him to Mpharris

#RIP