GT: Cleveland Cavaliers @ New York Knicks, 2/4/17 8:30pm, ABC

[thebuzzardman]

Let Herny pound the boards and play physically, inside, and pass the ball -- as long as KP drains shots and blocks shots, I see them as a good pairing.

Two very good bigs are better than one big with huge numbers, anyway -- if you don't believe me go turn on a Pelicans game

KP doesn't need to play like an animal to be good. Be a finesse player. Don't change his spots.

So you're saying KP needs Willie to cover for the things he himself should be doing?

Too bad Knicks didn't get Jokic. He does what both guys do.

[K_ick_God]

Let Herny pound the boards and play physically, inside, and pass the ball -- as long as KP drains shots and blocks shots, I see them as a good pairing.

Two very good bigs are better than one big with huge numbers, anyway -- if you don't believe me go turn on a Pelicans game

KP doesn't need to play like an animal to be good. Be a finesse player. Don't change his spots.

So you're saying KP needs Willie to cover for the things he himself should be doing?

Too bad Knicks didn't get Jokic. He does what both guys do.

I think guys cover for each other, absolutely. Why does KP need to be good that way. Young Pau and Dirk lived off their perimeter offense. He's tall but not a guy with the body to operate down low effectively. Let him play how and where he's comfortable. If anything could derail him it's an insistence that he play inside and bang, something he will never excel at.

[rammagen]

The team disagrees. Does this team look like what you're saying is priority?

and purposely throwing games and rooting for the team to throw games .... come on you do not cheer a team to lose. Is that truly being a fan? really. It does not matter if you draft 1 or 20 if it is your time to draft or find a good player you will do do it. We can all name players drafted in the top ten who were crap and players drafted in the 2nd round who are nba players.

Once again the team disagrees. Me wanting the Knicks to be better in the future when they have no shot to win in the present has nothing to do with why the Knicks team ON the court plays like garbage.

but rooting for the team to actually lose come on man that aint right.

[DaGawd]

and purposely throwing games and rooting for the team to throw games .... come on you do not cheer a team to lose. Is that truly being a fan? really. It does not matter if you draft 1 or 20 if it is your time to draft or find a good player you will do do it. We can all name players drafted in the top ten who were crap and players drafted in the 2nd round who are nba players.

Once again the team disagrees. Me wanting the Knicks to be better in the future when they have no shot to win in the present has nothing to do with why the Knicks team ON the court plays like garbage.

but rooting for the team to actually lose come on man that aint right.

We all have this view of what's right and wrong. We'll never see eye to eye. IMO I see nothing wrong with actively hoping the team lose game this season for a brighter future. Especially considering this season's team has no future to speak of in NY outside of the youngsters like KP and Willy

[Thugger HBC]

and purposely throwing games and rooting for the team to throw games .... come on you do not cheer a team to lose. Is that truly being a fan? really. It does not matter if you draft 1 or 20 if it is your time to draft or find a good player you will do do it. We can all name players drafted in the top ten who were crap and players drafted in the 2nd round who are nba players.

Once again the team disagrees. Me wanting the Knicks to be better in the future when they have no shot to win in the present has nothing to do with why the Knicks team ON the court plays like garbage.

but rooting for the team to actually lose come on man that aint right.

I'll put it simple. This group doesn't look like it can sustain any form of winning and needs an overhaul. If they actually were winning of course I wouldn't endorse losses. But they aren't they're losing at a rapid pace. That's what THEY are doing. My view doesn't change what they do on the court.

[thebuzzardman]

and purposely throwing games and rooting for the team to throw games .... come on you do not cheer a team to lose. Is that truly being a fan? really. It does not matter if you draft 1 or 20 if it is your time to draft or find a good player you will do do it. We can all name players drafted in the top ten who were crap and players drafted in the 2nd round who are nba players.

Once again the team disagrees. Me wanting the Knicks to be better in the future when they have no shot to win in the present has nothing to do with why the Knicks team ON the court plays like garbage.

but rooting for the team to actually lose come on man that aint right.

Yes, it is.

[blueNorange]

should i tell people that the knicks should also tank next year?

this isn't a 1 year project, this project should've started in 2015 when they draft porzingis.

[rammagen]

Once again the team disagrees. Me wanting the Knicks to be better in the future when they have no shot to win in the present has nothing to do with why the Knicks team ON the court plays like garbage.

but rooting for the team to actually lose come on man that aint right.

Yes, it is.

this is so wrong it is not right. Let root for the team suck, that makes no sense. Why ebcause you want a high draft pick because you think it will lead us to find another star? so lets review stars are foudn found all over the league that were drafted after the top ten so again it does not matter where you draft as long as you have good talent scout to find them. Isah Thomas was the last draft in the second round.
So no drafting high dos not mean a guaranteed start so sorry to disagree.
Rooting for your team top loose makes no sense

[rammagen]

should i tell people that the knicks should also tank next year?

this isn't a 1 year project, this project should've started in 2015 when they draft porzingis.

Again tanking is not the answer for a rebuild, you own your own draft picks get other draft picks start playing the younger players so they learn how to play and win together. tanking so you can get a high draft pick does not guarantee a star

[Thugger HBC]

stars are foudn found all over the league that were drafted after the top ten so again it does not matter where you draft as long as you have good talent scout to find them.

I'm not touching this.

[rammagen]

Once again the team disagrees. Me wanting the Knicks to be better in the future when they have no shot to win in the present has nothing to do with why the Knicks team ON the court plays like garbage.

but rooting for the team to actually lose come on man that aint right.

I'll put it simple. This group doesn't look like it can sustain any form of winning and needs an overhaul. If they actually were winning of course I wouldn't endorse losses. But they aren't they're losing at a rapid pace. That's what THEY are doing. My view doesn't change what they do on the court.

an neither does mine but I say again rooting for your team to loose makes no sense because of the Willy and KP on the team you want to build for the future fine but for some of those players the future is here. I mean tanking has done a great job for Philly hasn't trust the process what process 3 out of the 4 high draft picks they have had has injury problems and missed a enormous amount of time.
Let's talk about the Suns I mean both of these teams have how many games won? how many yrs have they tanked?
If you have good scouts good young players can be found anywhere in and out of the draft, you rebuild with young players but rooting for your team to lose come on, where does that make sense? Because you think loosing and being frustrated is going to help? nope what it will do is drive the young players away before you have a chance to be good

[rammagen]

Once again the team disagrees. Me wanting the Knicks to be better in the future when they have no shot to win in the present has nothing to do with why the Knicks team ON the court plays like garbage.

but rooting for the team to actually lose come on man that aint right.

We all have this view of what's right and wrong. We'll never see eye to eye. IMO I see nothing wrong with actively hoping the team lose game this season for a brighter future. Especially considering this season's team has no future to speak of in NY outside of the youngsters like KP and Willy

except again as I posted above rooting for the team to lose how does that help KP and Willy? you can find players good young players anywhere in the draft, you all can complain about PJ and he has done an average job at best but the two things he has done is find decent young players in teh second round and out side of the draft and kept our picks going forward. That is the way you rebuild. Inc vest in scouting and find talent it can be found anywhere in the draft. people say x college player is really good but for everyone one high draft pick that becomes a start there are stars and high caliber players found int he second round.
To me rooting for the team to lose sends the wrong message to the young players.
Allot of the people here are like the kid that cried when they drafted KP screaming and yelling because you think you are right but in all actuality no one on this board has a better idea then anyone else. Frankly I am tired of the negativity and the celebrating when the team loses on this board.

[blueNorange]

but rooting for the team to actually lose come on man that aint right.

I'll put it simple. This group doesn't look like it can sustain any form of winning and needs an overhaul. If they actually were winning of course I wouldn't endorse losses. But they aren't they're losing at a rapid pace. That's what THEY are doing. My view doesn't change what they do on the court.

an neither does mine but I say again rooting for your team to loose makes no sense because of the Willy and KP on the team you want to build for the future fine but for some of those players the future is here. I mean tanking has done a great job for Philly hasn't trust the process what process 3 out of the 4 high draft picks they have had has injury problems and missed a enormous amount of time.
Let's talk about the Suns I mean both of these teams have how many games won? how many yrs have they tanked?
If you have good scouts good young players can be found anywhere in and out of the draft, you rebuild with young players but rooting for your team to lose come on, where does that make sense? Because you think loosing and being frustrated is going to help? nope what it will do is drive the young players away before you have a chance to be good

are you aware the sixers are better set up for the future than the knicks?

[thebuzzardman]

but rooting for the team to actually lose come on man that aint right.

We all have this view of what's right and wrong. We'll never see eye to eye. IMO I see nothing wrong with actively hoping the team lose game this season for a brighter future. Especially considering this season's team has no future to speak of in NY outside of the youngsters like KP and Willy

except again as I posted above rooting for the team to lose how does that help KP and Willy? you can find players good young players anywhere in the draft, you all can complain about PJ and he has done an average job at best but the two things he has done is find decent young players in teh second round and out side of the draft and kept our picks going forward. That is the way you rebuild. Inc vest in scouting and find talent it can be found anywhere in the draft. people say x college player is really good but for everyone one high draft pick that becomes a start there are stars and high caliber players found int he second round.
To me rooting for the team to lose sends the wrong message to the young players.
Allot of the people here are like the kid that cried when they drafted KP screaming and yelling because you think you are right but in all actuality no one on this board has a better idea then anyone else. Frankly I am tired of the negativity and the celebrating when the team loses on this board.

All I'm going to say, is that in the NBA, you have to be bad for a while before you are good. If that is one of the sure paths to getting good again (and I don't think there is any team that didn't at least rebuild partially through the draft, if not mainly), then wanting your team to lose is logical.

This ain't baseball (No cap, luxury tax), this ain't football or hockey (hard caps, much player movement of good players)