The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

Zenzibar · Post #1101 » by **Zenzibar** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 2:20 am

god shammgod wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.

Post #1102 » by **moocow007** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 7:50 am

Fat Kat wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Which is a big part of how RJ and Iggy play. Hopefully he can learn a thing or three

That is my biggest concern towards Frank. I am afraid he is too sensible and smart to excel in NBA. He worries about not getting hurt and avoid trying to pass with a ball between giants. He is too normal...

To excel in NBA, you have to have a kind of "suicidal instinct" and not care like running into moving walls. You have to be irresponsible with your own body and enjoy taking hits. You have to be kind of a stupid.

So players that succeed in the NBA are stupid, but Frank might be too smart to make it? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

I think the point he's trying to make is that Frank doesn't seem to be a natural when it comes to the game of basketball. His basketball instincts and feel for the game are suspect and he compensates for it by trying to use his memory to react to plays based on what his coaches have told him along the way. That could be why he seems to operate at one speed no matter the game situation or competition like he's trying to play the situation in his head so he can remember what he's been taught he should do in response. I compared Frank to him the other day but Felipe Lopez was the same way. He didn't have great basketball instincts and feel. Against lesser competition he was able to rely on his physical tools and intellect to do well but as the competition for harder and pace quickened he just couldn't execute on the court. That is what I'm seeing when watching Frank play.

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MaseInYourFace · Post #1103 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 9:40 am

moocow007 wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
That is my biggest concern towards Frank. I am afraid he is too sensible and smart to excel in NBA. He worries about not getting hurt and avoid trying to pass with a ball between giants. He is too normal...

To excel in NBA, you have to have a kind of "suicidal instinct" and not care like running into moving walls. You have to be irresponsible with your own body and enjoy taking hits. You have to be kind of a stupid.

So players that succeed in the NBA are stupid, but Frank might be too smart to make it? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
I think the point he's trying to make is that Frank doesn't seem to be a natural when it comes to the game of basketball. His basketball instincts and feel for the game are suspect and he compensates for it by trying to use his memory to react to plays based on what his coaches have told him along the way. That could be why he seems to operate at one speed no matter the game situation or competition like he's trying to play the situation in his head so he can remember what he's been taught he should do in response. I compared Frank to him the other day but Felipe Lopez was the same way. He didn't have great basketball instincts and feel. Against lesser competition he was able to rely on his physical tools and intellect to do well but as the competition for harder and pace quickened he just couldn't execute on the court. That is what I'm seeing when watching Frank play.

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I would tend to agree. If you look at Frank it is almost like he didn’t play enough pick up ball or just informal games. In a way he’s almost over coached. He’s just not very instinctual and no matter how structured a team may be there will be situations where the structure is struggling or the opponent is causing that structure to fail. Players need to be able to adjust and react quickly.

I get what you mean on Felipe Lopez. He wasn’t the most fluid player but yeah they were different kinds of players. But I see the overall comparison. Felipe Lopez was an amazing high school player who dominated at that level. Being Dominican I watched Felipe coming up quite a bit. The Dominican community was hoping he’d be a superstar. He just wasn’t as good as we hoped he’d be. He struggled individually in college game way more than expected plus those St Johns teams were starting to decline. I also suspect Felipe was a little older than we knew (might explain partially why he dominated in high school) since he looks super ancient now. I just think the level of competition caught up with him.

taj2133 · Post #1104 » by **taj2133** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 10:48 am

Read on Twitter

Knicksfan20 · Post #1105 » by **Knicksfan20** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 11:47 am

taj2133 wrote:

Read on Twitter

oh my phone so i cant really check... What time is the game EST and will there be any streams?

frothbrain · Post #1106 » by **frothbrain** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 11:56 am

how can i watch this game without having to pay $5?

robillionaire · Post #1107 » by **robillionaire** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 12:03 pm

frank steal and layup and-1 first one of his career lol

robillionaire · Post #1108 » by **robillionaire** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 12:10 pm

frank with a floater and then a jumper

frothbrain · Post #1109 » by **frothbrain** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 12:12 pm

frank is better than fournier, that much is clear.

robillionaire · Post #1110 » by **robillionaire** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 12:18 pm

he played the entire first quarter and had 7 pts (3/5 shooting) 4 reb 1 stl. didn't turn it over.

remi_222 · Post #1111 » by **remi_222** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 12:19 pm

great first quarter for Frank, he played the whole quarter (25-24 France)
7 pts 4 reb in 10min so far

NYKAL · Post #1112 » by **NYKAL** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 12:20 pm

millerboyd123 wrote:Randle / Morris are a lock for the starting 5.

Don't you mean 6'11 Portis. I'd rather see Taj Gibson at the 5 before Morris

iLLmatic860 · Post #1113 » by **iLLmatic860** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 12:37 pm

Glad 2k is out. Frank really is not worth my time. Unless he playing team USA. Idgaf about fiba any more

Prob the least interested ive ever been into fiba ever

frothbrain · Post #1114 » by **frothbrain** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 1:05 pm

I think Elfrid payton might be a better shooter than Ntilikina.

robillionaire · Post #1115 » by **robillionaire** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 1:09 pm

frothbrain wrote:frank is better than fournier, that much is clear.

thebuzzardman · Post #1116 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 1:16 pm

NYKAL wrote:
millerboyd123 wrote:Randle / Morris are a lock for the starting 5.

Don't you mean 6'11 Portis. I'd rather see Taj Gibson at the 5 before Morris

He means among the starting 5

god shammgod · Post #1117 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 1:24 pm

frothbrain wrote:I think Elfrid payton might be a better shooter than Ntilikina.

i'm guessing it didn't go well after the 1st quarter

god shammgod · Post #1118 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 1:39 pm

bunch of frank articles out there

Knicks Film School’s Jonathan Macri called Ntilikina a riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a croissant. ESNY’s Collin Loring accurately described him as the forgotten man. The 6-foot-6 lead guard with the 7-foot-1 wingspan is a puzzle to a stat nerd like me.

Over the past two seasons, Ntilikina is one of two NBA players to play 2,500 minutes but score less than 750 points. The other, Oklahoma City’s Terrence Ferguson, didn’t have many scoring opportunities playing next to Russell Westbrook and Paul George.

So why does he generate more divisiveness among the fanbase than any other player on the roster? The fans who love Frank treat him like Kobe stans treat their beloved Black Mamba and the fans who hate him treat him like Kobe stans treat LeBron.

Look, the guy can play defense. He was the first Knicks rookie since Iman Shumpert in 2012 to have to multiple five steal games in a season.

His metrics as a rookie show promise, even if he was inconsistent. Despite taking a step back defensively in an injury-shortened sophomore season, Frank showed legitimate potential to be an All-NBA defender.

While his overall shooting percentages are a complete disaster, Frank has shown he can make jumpers in small sample sizes. According to NBA Stats, the 21-year-old made 35 of 97 (36.1%) catch-and-shoot threes as a rookie. That number fell dramatically as a sophomore when he was just 24 of 80 (30%).

Frank had a decent three-point shooting stretch from December through February of his rookie season, going 26 of 73 (35.6%). In March he came stumbling back to earth, shooting 10 of 35 (28.6%). You’re probably thinking: While that’s just a rookie in the NBA.

But Ntilikina didn’t play like a rookie on defense. He lowered the opponent’s field goal percentage by 3% when he was the primary defender, and he was in the 90th percentile of efficiency as a defender on the ball handler during a pick and roll.

Frank’s never going to be the scoring champ. He’s never scored 20 points in an NBA game, and he’s dished out ten assists just twice. You can make the argument that Ntilikina and Josh Jackson–also a member of the 2017 draft class–have been the worst offensive players in the league the past two seasons.

Ntilikina and Jackson are the only players during the last two seasons to log 2,500 minutes and post an OBPM of -3.5. Ntilikina had the lowest eFG% (effective field goal percentage) in the league during the past two seasons. Jackson’s was

(Keeping it in the Knicks family: The only player with a lower PER than Frank over the last two seasons (min. 2,000 minutes required) is Lance Thomas. This isn’t LT slander because I’m still holding out hope for a heroic comeback. Just thought it was worth mentioning.)

After some embarrassing off the court incidents, Phoenix moved on from Jackson this summer. Ntilikina could be facing the same fate, but a recent turn of events has added hope for all of the Frank stans out there.

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/09/08/new-york-knicks-great-frank-ntilikina-debate/

Fat Kat · Post #1119 » by **Fat Kat** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 1:47 pm

frothbrain wrote:frank is better than fournier, that much is clear.

frothbrain wrote:I think Elfrid payton might be a better shooter than Ntilikina.

robillionaire · Post #1120 » by **robillionaire** » Mon Sep 9, 2019 1:54 pm

france loses, frank didn't play down the stretch