Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[GONYK]

I was reading Reddit about Walker Kessler and some Utah Jazz fans express these thoughts about why Ainge might trade him... btw, I feel that fans are more in tuned than national media "analysts".

1. Didn't grow as much as they thought
2. He sulks a lot, body language on court is bad
3. He has gotten into arguments with Will Hardy over playing time and other things
4. He wants to shoot 3s

Hardy also basically called Kessler soft in a public statement

"I definitely would like for Walker to become a more physical player. … If I was going to list Walker's priorities as a player in his improvement, that would be No. 1," Jazz head coach Will Hardy said.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50889241/utah-jazz-want-walker-kessler-to-find-more-balance-between-finesse-physicality

[G_K_F]

So **** Kessler then.

Get Nick Richards.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Doubt Thibs would let Kessler shoot 3s.

Still don't see a world where Ainge trades fairly with Leon.

[R-DAWG]

Doubt Thibs would let Kessler shoot 3s.

Still don't see a world where Ainge trades fairly with Leon.

Let Kessler shoot as many 3's as he wants before and after practice and over the summer. If he can start taking 3-4 3's a game and shooting 33% from there he becomes a huge floor spacing weapon.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Doubt Thibs would let Kessler shoot 3s.

Still don't see a world where Ainge trades fairly with Leon.

Let Kessler shoot as many 3's as he wants before and after practice and over the summer. If he can start taking 3-4 3's a game and shooting 33% from there he becomes a huge floor spacing weapon.

Agreed but Thibs doesn't seem to want his C taking those shots but then again he allowed Taj to throw some up every now and then from the corner.

Ainge isn't trading Kessler here anyway.

[Context]

I was reading Reddit about Walker Kessler and some Utah Jazz fans express these thoughts about why Ainge might trade him... btw, I feel that fans are more in tuned than national media "analysts".

1. Didn't grow as much as they thought
2. He sulks a lot, body language on court is bad
3. He has gotten into arguments with Will Hardy over playing time and other things
4. He wants to shoot 3s

This is one of the reasons I think Ihart went to OKC...MItch wants to shoot 3's as well...offense
is fun- players want to play BUT
Thibs doesnt want that from his centers...Will Thibs evolve?

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Spears could be right. I think right now it's really a toss up between Brunson, Maxey and George as to who is better. Maxey was awesome in that series against us last year and he is younger and has more physical gifts than Brunson. It's not hard to see him taking a leap and jumping Brunson.

What I think we can all agree on is healthy Embiid is the best player of the group, and even if Brunson is #2, Philly still has 3 of the 4 best players.

Don't kid yourself, Philly is the only team in the league right now that is running out a top-5 player with two top-15 players. If they are healthy, you don't want to face them in a playoff series.

I think it's crucial to get the #1 seed and have Boston and Philly play each other in round 2. And I think given Philly's age, depth and health concerns NY will have a better regular season record. But both squads at full health in the playoffs, Philly has the edge.

[R-DAWG]

Doubt Thibs would let Kessler shoot 3s.

Still don't see a world where Ainge trades fairly with Leon.

Let Kessler shoot as many 3's as he wants before and after practice and over the summer. If he can start taking 3-4 3's a game and shooting 33% from there he becomes a huge floor spacing weapon.

Agreed but Thibs doesn't seem to want his C taking those shots but then again he allowed Taj to throw some up every now and then from the corner.

Ainge isn't trading Kessler here anyway.

I mean a 7 footer who is an above average to great rim protector and an average 3 point shooter is one of the most valuable commodities in the league.

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Spears could be right. I think right now it's really a toss up between Brunson, Maxey and George as to who is better. Maxey was awesome in that series against us last year and he is younger and has more physical gifts than Brunson. It's not hard to see him taking a leap and jumping Brunson.

What I think we can all agree on is healthy Embiid is the best player of the group, and even if Brunson is #2, Philly still has 3 of the 4 best players.

Don't kid yourself, Philly is the only team in the league right now that is running out a top-5 player with two top-15 players. If they are healthy, you don't want to face them in a playoff series.

I think it's crucial to get the #1 seed and have Boston and Philly play each other in round 2. And I think given Philly's age, depth and health concerns NY will have a better regular season record. But both squads at full health in the playoffs, Philly has the edge.

We just went over this **** in the finals with durrrr durrr doncic and Kyrie durrr

But just like the Celtics, the Knicks have the better player 4-9 and that’s the difference.

And another thing, as good as Maxey is, the team falls apart without Embiid.

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Spears could be right. I think right now it's really a toss up between Brunson, Maxey and George as to who is better. Maxey was awesome in that series against us last year and he is younger and has more physical gifts than Brunson. It's not hard to see him taking a leap and jumping Brunson.

What I think we can all agree on is healthy Embiid is the best player of the group, and even if Brunson is #2, Philly still has 3 of the 4 best players.

Don't kid yourself, Philly is the only team in the league right now that is running out a top-5 player with two top-15 players. If they are healthy, you don't want to face them in a playoff series.

I think it's crucial to get the #1 seed and have Boston and Philly play each other in round 2. And I think given Philly's age, depth and health concerns NY will have a better regular season record. But both squads at full health in the playoffs, Philly has the edge.

We just went over this **** in the finals with durrrr durrr doncic and Kyrie durrr

But just like the Celtics, the Knicks have the better player 4-9 and that’s the difference.

And another thing, as good as Maxey is, the team falls apart without Embiid.

he lost me @ a toss up between pg13 and brunson

[DOT]

Kessler took 19 3s for the Jazz last year

iHart took 37 3s his first year with us. Only 3 last year though.

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Spears could be right. I think right now it's really a toss up between Brunson, Maxey and George as to who is better. Maxey was awesome in that series against us last year and he is younger and has more physical gifts than Brunson. It's not hard to see him taking a leap and jumping Brunson.

What I think we can all agree on is healthy Embiid is the best player of the group, and even if Brunson is #2, Philly still has 3 of the 4 best players.

Don't kid yourself, Philly is the only team in the league right now that is running out a top-5 player with two top-15 players. If they are healthy, you don't want to face them in a playoff series.

I think it's crucial to get the #1 seed and have Boston and Philly play each other in round 2. And I think given Philly's age, depth and health concerns NY will have a better regular season record. But both squads at full health in the playoffs, Philly has the edge.

We just went over this **** in the finals with durrrr durrr doncic and Kyrie durrr

But just like the Celtics, the Knicks have the better player 4-9 and that’s the difference.

And another thing, as good as Maxey is, the team falls apart without Embiid.

Everything with Philly starts with Embiid being healthy. If he’s not, they are not a threat. But if he is, they are

[R-DAWG]

Spears could be right. I think right now it's really a toss up between Brunson, Maxey and George as to who is better. Maxey was awesome in that series against us last year and he is younger and has more physical gifts than Brunson. It's not hard to see him taking a leap and jumping Brunson.

What I think we can all agree on is healthy Embiid is the best player of the group, and even if Brunson is #2, Philly still has 3 of the 4 best players.

Don't kid yourself, Philly is the only team in the league right now that is running out a top-5 player with two top-15 players. If they are healthy, you don't want to face them in a playoff series.

I think it's crucial to get the #1 seed and have Boston and Philly play each other in round 2. And I think given Philly's age, depth and health concerns NY will have a better regular season record. But both squads at full health in the playoffs, Philly has the edge.

We just went over this **** in the finals with durrrr durrr doncic and Kyrie durrr

But just like the Celtics, the Knicks have the better player 4-9 and that’s the difference.

And another thing, as good as Maxey is, the team falls apart without Embiid.

he lost me @ a toss up between pg13 and brunson

It’s much closer to a toss up than Brunson being a hands down better player. I don’t drink the cool aid, I call it as it is. You can make an argument for either one being better. I’m not saying anything other than it’s a toss up.

[ezmoney707]

I was reading Reddit about Walker Kessler and some Utah Jazz fans express these thoughts about why Ainge might trade him... btw, I feel that fans are more in tuned than national media "analysts".

1. Didn't grow as much as they thought
2. He sulks a lot, body language on court is bad
3. He has gotten into arguments with Will Hardy over playing time and other things
4. He wants to shoot 3s

This is one of the reasons I think Ihart went to OKC...MItch wants to shoot 3's as well...offense
is fun- players want to play BUT
Thibs doesnt want that from his centers...Will Thibs evolve?

I think the simple reason Thibs doesn’t let his centers shoot threes because they aren’t making them at a high enough rate in practice to take them away from the basket on offense which would negate their advantage on the boards.

2 seasons ago Thibs had Nerlens work on his corner 3 in the offseason, but he wasn’t healthy enough nor efficient enough to showcase that. This season he let Precious shoot the open 3s, didn’t knock many down in games though (has a history of more volume of that shot)

Don’t think he hasn’t evolved, but simply he values defense and rebounding from his Center and if they can show that they can actually knock down that shot consistently too then it’s plus

[mpharris36]

I was reading Reddit about Walker Kessler and some Utah Jazz fans express these thoughts about why Ainge might trade him... btw, I feel that fans are more in tuned than national media "analysts".

1. Didn't grow as much as they thought
2. He sulks a lot, body language on court is bad
3. He has gotten into arguments with Will Hardy over playing time and other things
4. He wants to shoot 3s

This is one of the reasons I think Ihart went to OKC...MItch wants to shoot 3's as well...offense
is fun- players want to play BUT
Thibs doesnt want that from his centers...Will Thibs evolve?

I think the simple reason Thibs doesn’t let his centers shoot threes because they aren’t making them at a high enough rate in practice to take them away from the basket on offense which would negate their advantage on the boards.

2 seasons ago Thibs had Nerlens work on his corner 3 in the offseason, but he wasn’t healthy enough nor efficient enough to showcase that. This season he let Precious shoot the open 3s, didn’t knock many down in games though (has a history of more volume of that shot)

Don’t think he hasn’t evolved, but simply he values defense and rebounding from his Center and if they can show that they can actually knock down that shot consistently too then it’s plus

Kessler is also CAA and his agent is Aaron Mintz...guess who Ihart agency and agent was CAA and Mintz. Thibs just helped Ihart develop and get nearly 30 MM a season. Kessler would happily buy in to eventually get a payday like that.

[aggo]

If Philly has the 3 best players why did they lose in 6 to us ??

The hypothesis you present that time is merely a construction in the mind and not a linear unfolding of events in the universe is one that fascinates me...

Wow

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Spears could be right. I think right now it's really a toss up between Brunson, Maxey and George as to who is better. Maxey was awesome in that series against us last year and he is younger and has more physical gifts than Brunson. It's not hard to see him taking a leap and jumping Brunson.

What I think we can all agree on is healthy Embiid is the best player of the group, and even if Brunson is #2, Philly still has 3 of the 4 best players.

Don't kid yourself, Philly is the only team in the league right now that is running out a top-5 player with two top-15 players. If they are healthy, you don't want to face them in a playoff series.

I think it's crucial to get the #1 seed and have Boston and Philly play each other in round 2. And I think given Philly's age, depth and health concerns NY will have a better regular season record. But both squads at full health in the playoffs, Philly has the edge.

what are you talking about? Brunson was top 5 in MVP voting there is no "toss up"...Embiid is there only top 5 or top 15 player if never being available to play means anything to you...
What I dont understand about some Knick fans is- when you dont have anything to be proud of - you put bags over your head and when you have a top 5 mvp candidate and another team only has one -you push sim arguments that are not even facts for the other team.

Maxey is not top 15...Very good young player- with Top 15 "potential" ...But I have never seen his name in the top 15...Top 30 ok...but the kid has a .44 FG%- only Wemby and Donovon are close to the mid 40"s with .46...You cant be top 15 shooting .44%

[Context]

I was reading Reddit about Walker Kessler and some Utah Jazz fans express these thoughts about why Ainge might trade him... btw, I feel that fans are more in tuned than national media "analysts".

1. Didn't grow as much as they thought
2. He sulks a lot, body language on court is bad
3. He has gotten into arguments with Will Hardy over playing time and other things
4. He wants to shoot 3s

This is one of the reasons I think Ihart went to OKC...MItch wants to shoot 3's as well...offense
is fun- players want to play BUT
Thibs doesnt want that from his centers...Will Thibs evolve?

I think the simple reason Thibs doesn’t let his centers shoot threes because they aren’t making them at a high enough rate in practice to take them away from the basket on offense which would negate their advantage on the boards.

2 seasons ago Thibs had Nerlens work on his corner 3 in the offseason, but he wasn’t healthy enough nor efficient enough to showcase that. This season he let Precious shoot the open 3s, didn’t knock many down in games though (has a history of more volume of that shot)

Don’t think he hasn’t evolved, but simply he values defense and rebounding from his Center and if they can show that they can actually knock down that shot consistently too then it’s plus

fair enough...this is good to hear...

[Context]

This is one of the reasons I think Ihart went to OKC...MItch wants to shoot 3's as well...offense
is fun- players want to play BUT
Thibs doesnt want that from his centers...Will Thibs evolve?

I think the simple reason Thibs doesn’t let his centers shoot threes because they aren’t making them at a high enough rate in practice to take them away from the basket on offense which would negate their advantage on the boards.

2 seasons ago Thibs had Nerlens work on his corner 3 in the offseason, but he wasn’t healthy enough nor efficient enough to showcase that. This season he let Precious shoot the open 3s, didn’t knock many down in games though (has a history of more volume of that shot)

Don’t think he hasn’t evolved, but simply he values defense and rebounding from his Center and if they can show that they can actually knock down that shot consistently too then it’s plus

Kessler is also CAA and his agent is Aaron Mintz...guess who Ihart agency and agent was CAA and Mintz. Thibs just helped Ihart develop and get nearly 30 MM a season. Kessler would happily buy in to eventually get a payday like that.

^I learnt about this two days ago regarding Ihart and this is when I knew- they had a plan post Ihart...cant wait to see it...

[NoDopeOnSundays]

IHart is going to shoot threes with the Thunder just prepare yourselves for it now. They have the best shooting coach in the world over there.

As for Kessler, there's almost no chance Thibs would let him do it, he's not a good freethrow shooter so I doubt he can. But, DOT pointed out that he takes and makes a similar amount of shots from the range that IHart did with his push floater.