Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach

[Iron Mantis]

We have a whole thread dedicated to Thibs where folks can cry about him getting fired.

Tired of hearing about him in this thread.

please stop the backseat moderating and targeting others. -JVG

[HarthorneWingo]

We have a whole thread dedicated to Thibs where folks can cry about him getting fired.

Tired of hearing about him in this thread.

The threads should be merged. You can't talk about one without discussing the other. It's a natural extension. You're in for a rough season.

Everyone is trying to limit conversations around here if it competes with their own narrative. It's like walking on eggshells.

[rajajackal]

bring back kenny payne

[Jalen Bluntson]

We've all seen this movie before man.

"We are in win now mode, we can't waste our superstars prime, we have to find a way to hire Mike Brown to lead us to a chip"......said NO TEAM EVER....besides the Knicks apparently.

Say what you want about Thibs, yea he had issues, but he was elite at what he did do well, which is build culture and identity with a no nonsense approach and insistence on hard work and defense. This "players coach" garbage will never win anything in this league.

I know it, you all know it too. And you'll all admit it soon when we are underachieving in a year that should ideally be an easy rode for us with a hobbled Indiana, Boston, Milwaukee, and a Heat team in flux. Coaching MATTERS. And we blew it.

Not a fan of the Brown hire but, Thibs peaked and is not a championship level HC. He lost the team from top to bottom like his last two jobs. He needed to go.

What's your issue with Brown exactly?

I wasn’t opposed to replacing thibs but it had to be for the right person and at the right time. How we went about it was absurd. Thibs changed the culture here and turned the team around, with steady progress year after year. ECF this year. And we fire him…..for Mike Brown? In what world does this make sense?

My issue isn’t with Brown it’s with the Knicks. We fired an excellent and respected coach in the league, who got us more results than any coach prior in recent memory, for someone average. thibs wasn’t perfect but he was a brand unto himself. Only certain coaches can say that and only a special quality of person can develop themselves into a brand. A coach of a team in NY has to have that quality to win. And Mike Brown is not that guy, I’m sorry I just have to be honest.

Fair enough. I disagree with your assessment of Thibs over Brown though, There's not such a gap there. It's just not a flashy move. Almost feels like we replaced Thibs with his carbon copy. Brown isn't some scrub coach. He did good things in SAC.

I don't know what went on behind closed doors. My opinion leans towards multiple people from the top down wanted Thibs gone. FO/Staff/Players. That's how I read it. Not excited about Brown but, not really upset we let Thibs go at all. He's not the guy. Brown has to prove himself right away basically. Year one.

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[ctorres]

I had the weirdest dream last night

I dreamt I met up at a basketball court with Mike Brown. I told him how the main criticism from players on the team was Thibs' lack of adjusments during a game. Told him the players all acknowledged that Thibs was great in preparing before the game. But during the game, always had a hard time with adjustments. Brown told me Thibs was a friend but nodded at the criticism on Thibs. Also, I was basically on the Knicks roster too, so that's why I was there. I can't remember much else, but it was the strangest dream and I thought I'd share it before I forgot I had it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I had the weirdest dream last night

I dreamt I met up at a basketball court with Mike Brown. I told him how the main criticism from players on the team was Thibs' lack of adjusments during a game. Told him the players all acknowledged that Thibs was great in preparing before the game. But during the game, always had a hard time with adjustments. Brown told me Thibs was a friend but nodded at the criticism on Thibs. Also, I was basically on the Knicks roster too, so that's why I was there. I can't remember much else, but it was the strangest dream and I thought I'd share it before I forgot I had it.

You were Mikal in the dream?

[ctorres]

I had the weirdest dream last night

I dreamt I met up at a basketball court with Mike Brown. I told him how the main criticism from players on the team was Thibs' lack of adjusments during a game. Told him the players all acknowledged that Thibs was great in preparing before the game. But during the game, always had a hard time with adjustments. Brown told me Thibs was a friend but nodded at the criticism on Thibs. Also, I was basically on the Knicks roster too, so that's why I was there. I can't remember much else, but it was the strangest dream and I thought I'd share it before I forgot I had it.

You were Mikal in the dream?

I wish! Because of how he gets criticized on here, I think he has become an underdog and is now become my favorite player on the team.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I had the weirdest dream last night

I dreamt I met up at a basketball court with Mike Brown. I told him how the main criticism from players on the team was Thibs' lack of adjusments during a game. Told him the players all acknowledged that Thibs was great in preparing before the game. But during the game, always had a hard time with adjustments. Brown told me Thibs was a friend but nodded at the criticism on Thibs. Also, I was basically on the Knicks roster too, so that's why I was there. I can't remember much else, but it was the strangest dream and I thought I'd share it before I forgot I had it.

You were Mikal in the dream?

I wish! Because of how he gets criticized on here, I think he has become an underdog and is now become my favorite player on the team.

The criticism started in pre season. Mikal earned his paycheck but, people can't get over the picks.

I like the overall construction of the roster. It's actually pretty stacked top end. JB/MB/OG/KAT is a balanced starting lineup. Elite offense and elite defense. The fifth starter is open to debate but, there is a championship core here. The coach needs to make it work.

[thebuzzardman]

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This is kind of a general Brunson question, but in relation to what was said during the SL game, but in particular Knicks Film School commentary on that analyst commentary.

KFS commentator (didn't catch which guy, it was a podcast) made it seem like the criticism was towards Brunson, but it sounded to me more like it was directed at the coaching and MAYBE Brunson.

But the KFS made it all about Brunson.

Which I don't get. I might be more pro Brunson and not a member of the burgeoning Brunson Haters Club on here, but Brunson played pretty effectively off the ball with Luka and generally pushed the ball ahead.

On the Knicks he's been more ball dominant but not exclusively so, not to me.

So, was that because of Thibs lack of secondary actions, which Brown theoretically can fix, or Brunson's limitations as a player, or because Brunson is just that selfish?
Prophet of Rage doesn't need to respond, because we know he'll pick option 3.

Feels like Brunson can tend to dominate the ball if you let him, but a lot of that is on Thibs.
I mean, Randle did the same exact sh*t.

[thebuzzardman]

In fairness, Thibs started Hart for rebounding (OG and Mikal not elite) and for secondary ball handling.

Deuce spreads the floor, but is he a bring the ball up guard? Not sure.

[Jalen Bluntson]

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This is kind of a general Brunson question, but in relation to what was said during the SL game, but in particular Knicks Film School commentary on that analyst commentary.

KFS commentator (didn't catch which guy, it was a podcast) made it seem like the criticism was towards Brunson, but it sounded to me more like it was directed at the coaching and MAYBE Brunson.

But the KFS made it all about Brunson.

Which I don't get. I might be more pro Brunson and not a member of the burgeoning Brunson Haters Club on here, but Brunson played pretty effectively off the ball with Luka and generally pushed the ball ahead.

On the Knicks he's been more ball dominant but not exclusively so, not to me.

So, was that because of Thibs lack of secondary actions, which Brown theoretically can fix, or Brunson's limitations as a player, or because Brunson is just that selfish?
Prophet of Rage doesn't need to respond, because we know he'll pick option 3.

Feels like Brunson can tend to dominate the ball if you let him, but a lot of that is on Thibs.
I mean, Randle did the same exact sh*t.

Brunson is willing to do whatever it takes to win. He is absolutely NOT a selfish player. He was doing what was asked of him. Just like Randle as you pointed out. It's not because that's the only way he knows how to play. It was the coaching. It also isn't some slight on Thibs seeing how it got us to the ECF. The problems we had were no adjustments and no other sets besides ISO Jalen. You got a switch things up and have options.

Brown should get more out of this roster as is. He was hired to do what Thibs would not. We shall see.

[Fat Kat]

In fairness, Thibs started Hart for rebounding (OG and Mikal not elite) and for secondary ball handling.

Deuce spreads the floor, but is he a bring the ball up guard? Not sure.

Deuce or Mikal can both bring it up without the defensive attention focused on them. Also, Brunson will have an easier time without the extra defensive attention.

Having Josh in the starting lineup frees up an extra defender for the other team. That doesn’t happen with Deuce in the lineup. Teams also aren’t using a center to guard Deuce, which gives KAT an added advantage.

[Jalen Bluntson]

In fairness, Thibs started Hart for rebounding (OG and Mikal not elite) and for secondary ball handling.

Deuce spreads the floor, but is he a bring the ball up guard? Not sure.

Deuce or Mikal can both bring it up without the defensive attention focused on them. Also, Brunson will have an easier time without the extra defensive attention.

Having Josh in the starting lineup frees up an extra defender for the other team. That doesn’t happen with Deuce in the lineup. Teams also aren’t using a center to guard Deuce, which gives KAT an added advantage.

This.

Deuce to the starting lineup makes us deeper. Gives us a true 5 out lineup. Gives us the best defense around Jalen and KAT as well as the best POA defense. Makes us tougher to defend and tougher on defense just in the staring 5. It was a good group statistically as well. Simple adjustments like this are what we need from Brown.

Clarkson/Hart/Yabusele/Mitch off the bench would work staggered properly. Kolek/Huk as situational insurance. Pac/McC etc get to develop and fight their way into the rotation if they are that good. We also haven't added he last vet. Simmons or Shamet are even more help. Take your pick. It's not a bad mix of talent.

I almost got excited about next season for a minute there.

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Deuce doesn't sound like the ball handler those guys are talking about.

[WaltFrazier]

I had the weirdest dream last night

I dreamt I met up at a basketball court with Mike Brown. I told him how the main criticism from players on the team was Thibs' lack of adjusments during a game. Told him the players all acknowledged that Thibs was great in preparing before the game. But during the game, always had a hard time with adjustments. Brown told me Thibs was a friend but nodded at the criticism on Thibs. Also, I was basically on the Knicks roster too, so that's why I was there. I can't remember much else, but it was the strangest dream and I thought I'd share it before I forgot I had it.

20 years ago or so, Sports Illustrated had a little section near the front of the magazine called, They Said It. Funny quotes mainly. One of my favorites, a mid major coach had just pulled a huge upset over a D1 power. I forget the coach and the schools but let's say it was Duke. Coach was asked, did you ever in your wildest dreams think you'd beat Duke? Coach: my wildest dreams don't have basketball in them.

But yours do apparently. Quite detailed too.

[WaltFrazier]

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Deuce doesn't sound like the ball handler those guys are talking about.

That's the thing, Deuce is not the guy to relieve JB of bringing the ball up vs full court. A guy like Smart or Brogdon or even Delon Wright could be that guy, as well as a big defensive guard, but then do you really want to start such a guy even if we get him?

[WaltFrazier]

Is Mark Bryant one of the assistants being retained. Not sure I've seen his name mentioned but maybe just missed it. I like the idea of a big man specialist coach.

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Deuce doesn't sound like the ball handler those guys are talking about.

That's the thing, Deuce is not the guy to relieve JB of bringing the ball up vs full court. A guy like Smart or Brogdon or even Delon Wright could be that guy, as well as a big defensive guard, but then do you really want to start such a guy even if we get him?

F
Clarkson is 6'3" can he,fill that role? Most NBA guys think needs a scorer next to him not a D guy!

[TheGreenArrow]

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