Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

[NOOB77]

The "Melo fans" -- whatever that means (we're all Knicks fans so that distinction is so stupid to me) --

but to those who love Melo --

Y'all should very seriously reconsider your position. Lin leaving will spell the end of Melo's happy tenure in NY. Fans are already suspicious of him. After his comments, and the fact that he didn't beg the Knicks to keep Lin, it is going to be hell for Melo.

Think about it -- I'm ready to hate Melo. I'm a completely positive fan who hopes against hope and believes in the team.

Whether you like it or not, Melo is going to get the blame for Lin, the fans at MSG are going to be SALTY, depressed and looking for an enemy. That enemy will definitely be Melo. He is going to get killed. Booed, harassed and hated. He will be miserable.

You KNOW this is true.

So whether you AGREE with it or not -- this Lin decision is crucial to Melo's success.

Without Lin, Melo's tenure becomes instant misery. They'll boo Felton too. Some Amar'e. But Melo will get the huge amount of blame. He'll be the focal point -- he'll be embarrassed in his hometown.

I promise you.

Not if we win...Or IF (I am not saying he is) Lin is nothing more than a flash in the pan. That is still a huge contract for someone who played 25 games and had his first season that he saw action lead in season ending knee surgery.

[K_ick_God]

Im starting to believe Dolan is just trolling Morey.

If we're not matching, why wait at all? Just decline and move on.

I think we'll match Tuesday at the last hour.

why get Felton then?

Felton could fill in for Fields' lost spot, pushing Kidd to the 2, but the way they're rushing this trade and trying to get it done, and putting in a lot to do it, plus with the amount that Felton would cost in year 3 ... with the tax ...

It's all very bad signs.

[CoolKids]

If anything Melo should give some of his salary of last season to Lin for saving his ass from missing the playoffs.

Is lin giving Melo his entire contract for convincing DAntoni to give him a shot?

[21shumpst]

Save the 6 Million Dollars that you would pay lin a Savings Account

Trade Fatso by the ASB in Year 2

Just like that you Shave 13 Million of the Lux Tax

And your PG would be... who??????

[Quick Kick]

Melo doesnt care one way or another if Lin was gone. He thinks somehow CP3 will end up in NY.

[thebuzzardman]

The booing that Felton and Melo will get will be relentless, especially if Knicks don't fly out of the gate.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

KG, maybe there is a reason no body on the Knicks is rushing to Lin's aid. Maybe what we saw was an aberration of MD's system and the staff and players are suspicious of it. We'll find out if they match or not.

Maybe, just maybe, you're wrong about Lin's upside.

MD's system? What about McHale's system? He made Dragic look like an All-NBA PG last year. Lin will put up good stats in Houston, and if they lose, nobody will blame Lin. They'll assume he would have been just as good here, and Melo will catch the flack for it. Fans can't boo the GM or owner, but they can boo players.

[spre8well]

This is just outright false, KG. Melo's own quote starts with him describing the contract's third year as a "wrench" thrown into the equation. It's pretty clear what he was talking about.

It's really not about the quote. Ton of people have been reporting that there was some bad blood.

Who? because let's than a week ago melo during a interview said he wanted Lin back, so when did the bad blood start?

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He also said he always been cool with D'Antoni and supported him. ..grin..

[Never Wrong]

I didn't mention one thing about jealousy.

I got a question. So about three or four days ago melo had a team USA interview and he said that he wants lin back. I watched the video.

Just a few days ago the article about lin feeling frosty to the knicks came out, lin said if it didn't come from me it's. This whole board put it to rest.

How come its different with Melo. We got about 3 interviews of quotes with Melo saying he wants lin back, but you guys ignore those interviews and say things like melo is jealous.

I don't understand

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Because we actually do have quotes from Melo.

And?

My reply was to his post as a whole. His post was complaining about the sentiment around Melo vs. the sentiment around Lin so I stated how the situation was different. Do you even read these posts? His post as a whole was not about "jealousy". It was one example of the criticism of Melo. And again, I never mentioned a thing about jealousy.

[DocZaius]

The booing that Felton and Melo will get will be relentless, especially if Knicks don't fly out of the gate.

the team is making the playoffs regardless but everyone and their mother knows they have no shot of going anywhere once they reach it

we're basically the Atlanta Hawks

[13th Man]

I'm not asking about the Knicks. It's easy to spend Dolan's money.

This hypothetical team is your own. You have no one on the roster. Blank slate. You have 100 million dollars to spend over 3 years. You have an option to sign Lin for a contract that will cost you 43 million. Do you do it?

This scenerio doesn't make sense on so many levels, but I'll play anyway.

First of all your not accounting for the revenue lin will create for dolan.. increase in ticket prices, merchandise sales which include international sales etc.. these things will more than make up the 43mllion dollar difference

as many have already stated, the luxury tax is applied to teams who have PLAYERS that combine to make more than the preset tax threshold. So jeremy lin is as responsible for our being in this predicament as mike bibby is.

Even if lin puts up average numbers 14/6, he'd be very easy to unload this january or at the end of this year. He's a cash cow and there are many owners out there who are driven by revenue more than winning. Even in the third year, 15million expiring wouldn't be that hard to move.

i just can't believe the same owner who agreed to pay shandon anderson 7 million a year for 6 years is not willing to give lin an average of 8mil over 3 yrs.

Exactly which leads me to believe that it's not only about money but a host of other recent developments, mostly how the negotiation with Houston was handled and secondly last minute honest opinions the Knicks players and coaching staff. No doubt in my mind they would have consulted Woodson before making their final decision.

[21shumpst]

The "Melo fans" -- whatever that means (we're all Knicks fans so that distinction is so stupid to me) --

but to those who love Melo --

Y'all should very seriously reconsider your position. Lin leaving will spell the end of Melo's happy tenure in NY. Fans are already suspicious of him. After his comments, and the fact that he didn't beg the Knicks to keep Lin, it is going to be hell for Melo.

Think about it -- I'm ready to hate Melo. I'm a completely positive fan who hopes against hope and believes in the team.

Whether you like it or not, Melo is going to get the blame for Lin, the fans at MSG are going to be SALTY, depressed and looking for an enemy. That enemy will definitely be Melo. He is going to get killed. Booed, harassed and hated. He will be miserable.

You KNOW this is true.

So whether you AGREE with it or not -- this Lin decision is crucial to Melo's success.

Without Lin, Melo's tenure becomes instant misery. They'll boo Felton too. Some Amar'e. But Melo will get the huge amount of blame. He'll be the focal point -- he'll be embarrassed in his hometown.

I promise you.

if melo and the knicks play well the fans will forget all about lin.

But if they don't, its gonna get really ugly at the Mecca.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Melo doesnt care one way or another if Lin was gone. He thinks somehow CP3 will end up in NY.

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[Phish Tank]

If the knicks dont match this offer, james dolan and glen grunwald should be assassinated

[Jstarks3]

to those of you asking why we got felton - insurance policy for kidd and prigioni. we all saw what injuries did to us the last TWO years in the playoffs. plus, he was the last PG available on the market. that leaves only 1 PG for houston. you know who.

[Mr Rabbit]

The "Melo fans" -- whatever that means (we're all Knicks fans so that distinction is so stupid to me) --

but to those who love Melo --

Y'all should very seriously reconsider your position. Lin leaving will spell the end of Melo's happy tenure in NY. Fans are already suspicious of him. After his comments, and the fact that he didn't beg the Knicks to keep Lin, it is going to be hell for Melo.

Think about it -- I'm ready to hate Melo. I'm a completely positive fan who hopes against hope and believes in the team.

Whether you like it or not, Melo is going to get the blame for Lin, the fans at MSG are going to be SALTY, depressed and looking for an enemy. That enemy will definitely be Melo. He is going to get killed. Booed, harassed and hated. He will be miserable.

You KNOW this is true.

So whether you AGREE with it or not -- this Lin decision is crucial to Melo's success.

Without Lin, Melo's tenure becomes instant misery. They'll boo Felton too. Some Amar'e. But Melo will get the huge amount of blame. He'll be the focal point -- he'll be embarrassed in his hometown.

I promise you.

Maybe at first, but like the saying goes, "Winning solves everything."

[Red Vines]

The booing that Felton and Melo will get will be relentless, especially if Knicks don't fly out of the gate.

What if Lin is starting and the Knicks don't fly out of the gate?

[blackbishop]

The "Melo fans" -- whatever that means (we're all Knicks fans so that distinction is so stupid to me) --

but to those who love Melo --

Y'all should very seriously reconsider your position. Lin leaving will spell the end of Melo's happy tenure in NY. Fans are already suspicious of him. After his comments, and the fact that he didn't beg the Knicks to keep Lin, it is going to be hell for Melo.

Think about it -- I'm ready to hate Melo. I'm a completely positive fan who hopes against hope and believes in the team.

Whether you like it or not, Melo is going to get the blame for Lin, the fans at MSG are going to be SALTY, depressed and looking for an enemy. That enemy will definitely be Melo. He is going to get killed. Booed, harassed and hated. He will be miserable.

You KNOW this is true.

So whether you AGREE with it or not -- this Lin decision is crucial to Melo's success.

Without Lin, Melo's tenure becomes instant misery. They'll boo Felton too. Some Amar'e. But Melo will get the huge amount of blame. He'll be the focal point -- he'll be embarrassed in his hometown.

I promise you.

OK.

So we have a player who refused to play in the playoffs cause he is only 85%.

A player who refused an invite to the USA select team because of his contract, mind you that Blake griffin was in the same situation and he just waited til his contract was sorted (ya know about the same time lin got his offer).

A player who was told by his team that they would match that offer cause they wanted him back, so said player goes back to the offering team and asked for more money since the knicks will match anything.

That is OK and should be lauded.

But the player who played hurt, who is representing his team in the olympics, who has repeatedly said he wants the above player back, he is the one who should be killed if the above player doesnt come back.

That makes sense to you?

[Knicker23]

Anyway, I'm not trying to be divisive. But you guys don't really get how close to abysmal failure we are.

I really don't want you to be rooting with hope against hope for Ray Felton to get us over the hump.

I respect and admire all Knicks fans and ESPECIALLY the wholly positive ones -- so I have no beef with you guys at all and wouldn't disrespect you -- but I can't stand with you this time.

This would be the epitome of shooting ourselves in the foot. It would wreck our chances and wreck any real hope you could have as a fan.

So it's not about being a jerk -- I'll never go there. I hope to death I'm wrong and Lin stays.

But I have the benefit of 29 years of being a fan. I see where this is going and until the final nail is in the coffin, I'm going to speak the truth.

This is a totally unacceptable turn of events.

You act like his name is Jeremy Lebron James Lin.... You've been outspoken about the success you expect Lin to have, how you're okay with Lin over cp3 etc etc so it makes sense that you're so pessimistic about what becomes of this team without him... But you have to relax with this stuff.

Sure we'd be better with him.. And Felton is what he is... But to act like we go from contender to bottom feeder because we swap Lin for Felton is shortsighted... We have other good pieces we've added and Felton/Kidd will be serviceable.... Lin brings potential and mystery... Young kid that righted things last season for us, I get it.. But it's not the end of the world....

At what point would you say Lin isn't worth the $$? Would you pay him 20 a year? I get that the Knicks told him to get his value.. But do you blame Lin at all for the situation at hand, or does he come out clean looking like the little Harvard guy trying to make a living.... He has to have some say in where he goes, doesn't he? If he truly wanted to be in NY why would he sign to these new terms without making sure NY was still adamant about signing at any cost. Sounds more like he's sticking it to them and playing hardball - even having understood the Knicks played the 'get your value' game.

I agree that there seems to be something more to it... Maybe it was the 85% stuff, rubbed Dolan the wrong way... Or maybe they don't value his basketball skills as much as others seem too, and believe Kidd/Felton is a better package all things considered..

If Dolan/Knicks aren't sold on Lin, I understand not wanting to pay 43 million for him.. I also understand not having a great taste in their mouth with the way things have been going thus far - again, 'get your value' considered.. Something just seems a little odd about forcing your own team to pay that kind of $$ to keep you when they were the ones that gave you the shot. But he has every right to go after the $, just like Fields did... But he has himself to blame if he wants money and Houston over Knicks...

It boils down to money for all, especially when you're road has been as rocky as Lins.. and when we'll know what he is next contract.. But there are too guys like JR who, oddly enough, showed it's not always about $$

[21shumpst]

Melo doesnt care one way or another if Lin was gone. He thinks somehow CP3 will end up in NY.

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And how exactly would we get him with no assets??? At least Lin would be an asset to trade.