Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

delvec19 · Post #1121 » by **delvec19** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:56 pm

Toronto insisting on a first since proposed trade not only sends Lowry to NYK but sticks Raps w/Felton's longer-term $. Let's see who bends

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #1122 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:56 pm

shmeakone wrote:Mills is not a pushover like Grunny was.

He has a plan, his plan is to get Lowry without giving up a pick & then trade Shump if necessary for someone else.

Don't set yourself up for disappointment. we cannot get lowry without trading them something of value.

Knox · Post #1123 » by **Knox** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:57 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Knox wrote:
GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:

He might get Post of the year from me for that one

mrcalzone just made my day....i dont care what happens now, i haven't laughed that hard in years.

Agreed, We have experienced a lot of pain as Knicks Fans lol... We needed that lol

Mars_Blackmon · Post #1124 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:57 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
Mars_Blackmon wrote:Mills getting in his own way right now

just trade the damn pick

Ok friend.. where did you come from? You jumped right into the fray like if you've been here 10 years.

PBP'ers always wait for the chaos to reappear. Spit it out..

my moms womb

YaMomsEx · Post #1125 » by **YaMomsEx** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:57 pm

Let's see if Steve Mills has some balls

Bran Fast Hands · Post #1126 » by **Bran Fast Hands** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:58 pm

Waking up to a 74 page thread on Lowry, I knew there must have been talk of a pick being involved.

Since89 · Post #1127 » by **Since89** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:58 pm

people are complaining about the pick like its going to be lebron james

its either a pick 4.5 years from now, Shumpert, or THJr

there is no reason for Toronto to trade otherwise

you would rather give up on Shump and THJr for a mystery asset that is almost 5 years away? LOL

Greenie · Post #1128 » by **Greenie** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:58 pm

ShumpShump wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 58s

Toronto insisting on a first since proposed trade not only sends Lowry to NYK but sticks Raps w/Felton's longer-term $. Let's see who bends

Felton's deal doesn't mean much. Knicks will extend Lowry anyway, using 2015 cap room.

You must have some solid sources.

No common sense says so. I've been asking this for an hour now. Who will be our PG if Lowry walks? No cap space and no picks.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1129 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:58 pm

Buggin Out wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Since89 wrote:how is he a slight upgrade when hes literally better at every facet of basketball?

in terms of making an impact? how about that. lowry doesnt turn us into some wrecking ball of a team. hes either slightly better than felton at everything or about the same. please dont make lowry out to be a top or even good starter.

Slightly better than Felton is all we need. We were a 54 win team with Felton last year. If Lowry can actually guard the PG position well, while providing the same then our celling is a lot higher.

ive come to accept last year as an aberration...an outlier that we should not basing our projections for this season on. we lived/died by the three. lowry on last year's team wouldnt have made us a championship team and it sure as hell wont make us a contending team this year. our season is, at best, going to end in the second round. unless every player on the heat / pacers gets hurt.

this team gets better instantly when tyson comes back. also, you have to figure that jr and everyone else wont continue to shoot **** percentages. everything should, in theory, revert back to the mean.

bkknicks19 · Post #1130 » by **bkknicks19** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:59 pm

Since89 wrote:
bkknicks19 wrote:
Since89 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... kyle-lowry

you seem confused

hes averaged that for the past 4 years

wait did you read the link you posted and what i wrote? I said a FULL season and aside from this season since its only 20 games in. You stated "over the last 4 years"..lets discuss. Throw out this season since its not done, 1/4 years down. last yr over 68 gms he avg 11 pts, 2/4 down. Year before that was a lockout yr and thusly gets thrown out since i directly said FULL season, 3/4 out. Leaving us with the 2010-11 season where, GASP, he averaged close to the numbers you spoke of and GASP, that team did not make the playoffs! GASP!! Cmon son...

Felton hasnt played a full season either since 2009 he shoots 32% from 3 averages 5-6 ast and 3 boards with atrocious defense

yes Lowry is a huge upgrade, he is better across the board

all that gasping got u lightheaded u cant think straight hold on to ur breath and use ur noodle next time

mmkay, you got the juice now fella! clever retort! last time i'll try this..nvr argued felton was better. I actually think lowry is slightly better than ray. Nvr even mentioned rays stats because I know he hasn't played a full season and is playing like crap this yr. All i said was lowry has not averaged what you say he has averaged over a full season. The closest he got was in the 10-11 season where his team failed to make the playoffs. Other than that yr's stats, lowry has been more or less the same as ray. I'm not advocating for felton, simply sayin to stop over rating lowry. Now if you still would like to believe that lowry is SOOOOOOOOOO much better than ray, can't help you there.

NOOB77 · Post #1131 » by **NOOB77** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:59 pm

YaMomsEx wrote:Let's see if Steve Mills has some balls

What balls? Do you think we are getting Lowry straight up for Felton and MWP ?? So Toronto going to take on two worse players and add salary? We have to give up Shump, THjr or a pick to get Lowry.

Mars_Blackmon · Post #1132 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:59 pm

YaMomsEx wrote:Let's see if Steve Mills has some balls

he will after we send Felton/Timmy/2018 1st to Toronto for Kyle Lowry and Landry Field's medicine ball

Post #1133 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:59 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:I'd rather deal Shumpert than the 2018 first.

that is crazy talk

Mr_Perfect · Post #1134 » by **Mr_Perfect** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:00 pm

Since89 wrote:people are complaining about the pick like its going to be lebron james

its either a pick 4.5 years from now, Shumpert, or THJr

there is no reason for Toronto to trade otherwise

you would rather give up on Shump and THJr for a mystery asset that is almost 5 years away? LOL

Good, high quality post that makes a ton of sense.

A first round pick is worthless if it is 5 years away. And hell, it wont be "LeBron James" so why is anyone worried? Draft picks are overrated anyway. I'd rather have mediocre PG's as short-term stop-gaps to try and save a lost season with a terrible coach so our best player doesn't leave this offseason.

sogood · Post #1135 » by **sogood** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:00 pm

NBA on ESPN ‏@ESPNNBA 1h

Lakers PG Steve Blake to miss at least 6 weeks with torn ulnar collateral ligament in right elbow. http://es.pn/II9VWz

They wouldn't. Would they?

Nyk4lyfe · Post #1136 » by **Nyk4lyfe** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:00 pm

Starksfor3 wrote:
Nyk4lyfe wrote:
Buggin Out wrote:So you would trade THJR who is looking like a top 5 rookie for his c;ass for a pick 5 years down the road where we don't even know what the talent will be or what position the Knicks will be in.

Look I like THJ but when its all said and done, I dont think he will be top 5 in this draft class. Right now hes on a hot streak with shooting... ive watched a bunch of his games in college and he has those streaks but he also has streaks where he goes SUPER cold and when that happens you just wanna bang your head cause hes prrtty useless on the defensive side. On the orher hand, god knows, 2018 we might be terrible with a 35 year old Melo, and I have a good feeling we will regret it, just like the last time 739524 unprotected picks Isiah has traded away in the past

Wait, you thinking THJ for freaking Lowry is a good deal?

Nope. I just think its less worse than continuing our long history of trading future unprotected picks like candy and then regretting it later.

Never Wrong · Post #1137 » by **Never Wrong** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:00 pm

Shumpert's done here no matter what anyway. He's getting moved at some point.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #1138 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:01 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:I'd rather deal Shumpert than the 2018 first.

that is crazy talk

I don't think it's crazy at all. We have depth at the 2 and I'd rather hold onto 2018 in case the bottom drops on this team after this season. Shumpert hasn't progressed, is nearing the end of his rookie deal, is coming off an ACL injury, and I actually fear he will suffer another serious injury again in the near future.

Mars_Blackmon · Post #1139 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:01 pm

sogood wrote:
NBA on ESPN ‏@ESPNNBA 1h

Lakers PG Steve Blake to miss at least 6 weeks with torn ulnar collateral ligament in right elbow. http://es.pn/II9VWz

They wouldn't. Would they?

Lowry for Nash is all that works

NOOB77 · Post #1140 » by **NOOB77** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:01 pm

Mr_Perfect wrote:
Since89 wrote:people are complaining about the pick like its going to be lebron james

its either a pick 4.5 years from now, Shumpert, or THJr

there is no reason for Toronto to trade otherwise

you would rather give up on Shump and THJr for a mystery asset that is almost 5 years away? LOL

Good, high quality post that makes a ton of sense.

A first round pick is worthless if it is 5 years away. And hell, it wont be "LeBron James" so why is anyone worried? Draft picks are overrated anyway. I'd rather have mediocre PG's as short-term stop-gaps to try and save a lost season with a terrible coach so our best player doesn't leave this offseason.

Now you are getting it. Once you start thinking like how the Knicks actually function instead of a fantasy land rebuilding model that will never happen you will be a lot happier with life.