OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[CharlesOakley]

There's no valid reason to not want to shore up illegal immigration anyway unless you value foreigners welfare more than your country's citizens.

Illegal immigrants drain our infrastructure without paying taxes
They flood our lower class
They drive our minimum wage down
Their existence is disrespectful to our legal immigrants
We have a way for their criminals to evade their law

Illegal immigrants pay $12 billion a year in taxes without receiving benefits.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes
Raising the minimum wage could solve the illegal immigration
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/the-minimum-wage-cure-for-illegal-immigration/?_r=0
There is no study that indicates illegal immigration affects the minimum wage

Seattle recently increased the minimum wage to $15 an hour. A year later the city has yet to collapse.
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/economy/a-year-in-the-sky-is-not-falling-from-seattles-minimum-wage-hike/

Fair enough, they pay taxes on something like sales but they don't pay taxes on income and they do stuff like run up hospital bills that cost tens of thousands of dollars that legal tax payers have to shoulder. Unethical.

Minimum wage increases are destructive. They lock people out of jobs by forcing businesses to hire people that are not inherently worth it. Creates more incentive to hire illegals, outsource and automatize to make things even harder for our lower and middle class long term. We need to be working on a system where our workers are inherently worth it and not putting on band aids like mandatory min wage rises.

Seattle's economy is not stronger for 15$, in fact things have gotten tougher there as the effects are going to be felt over the long term. Little by little businesses will leave as inflation continues to rise. Look for more of a welfare economy and more empty apartments over the next 10 years for Seattle.

I guess you know more than professional economists. You are upset about the tax burden that illegal immigrants cost (around 1 billion a year) but I see no mention of corporate welfare. Corporate welfare costs US taxpayers over 50 billion a year (easily).
http://usuncut.com/class-war/10-corporate-welfare-programs-that-will-make-your-blood-boil/

The minimum wage has been on a steady relative decline since the late 60s. If minimum wages were destructive then our economy would have been climbing steadily upward since the late 60s, which it hasn't.
http://pewaukeeeconomics.blogspot.com/2015/11/minimum-wage-unfairness.html

We are the wealthiest nation of all-time. We spend more on the military than the next 10 countries combined and 9 of them are allies. We give out billions of dollars in corporate welfare. We spend 5 times more on prisoners than we do on students.

If your biggest concern is illegal immigration then you are completely missing the plot and swallowing the party line.

[EricAnderson]

amazing to think anybody actually says trump represents anything more than his own self interests

the republic has devolved into voting for attitude alone and somehow trumps i will crap all over you attitude has won over the hearts of all the wounded little white boys in america

Trump is bringing pride back to a country where we've lost pride with a president who has pandered to everyone

As far as your "wounded little white boys" comment. Trump and his supporters ars simply not letting liberals paint the white guys are all evil narrative and liberals hate it.

These soft liberals love to bully people and label them homophobic racist or whatever whenever something even slightly off color is said even if it's in a joking manner

Now that trump and his supporters are telling them to F off and that their dumb labels liberals put on them doesn't effect them liberals don't know what to do anymore.

OK, I will play along

I would like to understand how trump will make American great again

What exactly is the greatness America has lost?

How does that get regained?

and which of Trump's policies resonate with you?

I'm not a guy who thinks all trumps ideas or policies are all great I simply think the system needs to get blown up and the same old politicians they've been stuffing down our throats people are finally tired of.

Trump if nothing else represents change from the old guard of robotic politicians who will say what they think we'll get them elected but merely be a puppet for the lobbyists that get them in. Trump doesn't have that problem

Lastly can we stop with the melodramatic "he's hitler" nonsense.. If you believe that you're a damn fool..

[EricAnderson]

Trump is bringing pride back to a country where we've lost pride with a president who has pandered to everyone

As far as your "wounded little white boys" comment. Trump and his supporters ars simply not letting liberals paint the white guys are all evil narrative and liberals hate it.

These soft liberals love to bully people and label them homophobic racist or whatever whenever something even slightly off color is said even if it's in a joking manner

Now that trump and his supporters are telling them to F off and that their dumb labels liberals put on them doesn't effect them liberals don't know what to do anymore.

We found a wounded little white boy!

I can't wait until all of you **** off to the hole where you came from in a few months.

Why are comments like this allowed?

If this was said the other way around could you imagine the difference in reaction?

Liberals love to bully and talk **** but when it comes back at them they cry and run for their safe spaces

[EricAnderson]

Trump is a lying sac of s h i t

always has been

he is a man of the lowest character possible

hes been talking out both sides of his mouth the whole time and his supporters put their hands over their ears and go la la la la whenever it is pointed out that nothing trump says is legit or sincere or has an actionable plan

you get a bunch of yahoos saying he will make america great again

no explanation about what that means

its been backfiring
it will backfire for Trump's presidency and he will get what he really wants anyway which is a very lucrative talking head role for the right after the election

Have you seen the polls? Trump is crushing Hillary. He's gonna be the president

[Cr0w]

Illegal immigrants pay $12 billion a year in taxes without receiving benefits.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes
Raising the minimum wage could solve the illegal immigration
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/the-minimum-wage-cure-for-illegal-immigration/?_r=0
There is no study that indicates illegal immigration affects the minimum wage

Seattle recently increased the minimum wage to $15 an hour. A year later the city has yet to collapse.
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/economy/a-year-in-the-sky-is-not-falling-from-seattles-minimum-wage-hike/

Fair enough, they pay taxes on something like sales but they don't pay taxes on income and they do stuff like run up hospital bills that cost tens of thousands of dollars that legal tax payers have to shoulder. Unethical.

Minimum wage increases are destructive. They lock people out of jobs by forcing businesses to hire people that are not inherently worth it. Creates more incentive to hire illegals, outsource and automatize to make things even harder for our lower and middle class long term. We need to be working on a system where our workers are inherently worth it and not putting on band aids like mandatory min wage rises.

Seattle's economy is not stronger for 15$, in fact things have gotten tougher there as the effects are going to be felt over the long term. Little by little businesses will leave as inflation continues to rise. Look for more of a welfare economy and more empty apartments over the next 10 years for Seattle.

I guess you know more than professional economists. You are upset about the tax burden that illegal immigrants cost (around 1 billion a year) but I see no mention of corporate welfare. Corporate welfare costs US taxpayers over 50 billion a year (easily).
http://usuncut.com/class-war/10-corporate-welfare-programs-that-will-make-your-blood-boil/

The minimum wage has been on a steady relative decline since the late 60s. If minimum wages were destructive then our economy would have been climbing steadily upward since the late 60s, which it hasn't.
http://pewaukeeeconomics.blogspot.com/2015/11/minimum-wage-unfairness.html

We are the wealthiest nation of all-time. We spend more on the military than the next 10 countries combined and 9 of them are allies. We give out billions of dollars in corporate welfare. We spend 5 times more on prisoners than we do on students.

If your biggest concern is illegal immigration then you are completely missing the plot and swallowing the party line.

I have a bachelors of science in economics so yes, I do know as much as professional economists.

You lost a lot of leverage in this conversation when you said I don't care about corporate welfare. That was my first arguing point I brought up that needs addressing and I have been very vocal about it- that the top 5% have had their wealth explode over the past 30 years while everyone else has been stagnant. We can't allow them to get away with murder in trade deals and exploiting cheap foreign labor at the expense of our middle and lower class.

[Cr0w]

It's crazy how much people go out of their way to not address illegal immigration. Like it's not a slap in the face to our legal immigrants.

Think about it this way. Right now illegal immigrants aren't paying income tax while draining our infrastructure, they are creating a glut in our lower class that makes it hard to find jobs and they are driving wages down by working under min wage.

If we could stop this we could take immigrants in when we want them and with the credentials we wants. Not just the low class labor and criminals that flood in.

We could be bringing in immigrant doctors and engineers but no.... Liberals are dead set on rotting this country.

[Cr0w]

I wouldn't oppose massive military spending. A strong military has a lot of practical contributions from the biggest technological gains we see to having leverage in foreign policy.

Education is always a buzz word but do we really need more feminist studies and psychology majors draining our tax dollars? We have a lot of fields where we have too many college degrees and it cheapens the value of it. When everyone goes to college it stops being something that distinguishes someone. No longer is it a ladder from lower class to middle class.

[Cr0w]

The Boss.

[CJackson]

yes, and you know better

i wont say it but i cant lie and say i feel apologetic about it

you realize of course that when you make the issue about race and insults you are doing exactly what you criticize Trump for?

be the bigger person

its not hard when Trump is the measuring stick

especially since his measuring stick is apparently quite small

like i said no problem

you handled the issue of pandering to racists better than i did anyway

dont even want to read this thread now so i will go back to hoops

[kNicksGmen]

It's crazy how much people go out of their way to not address illegal immigration. Like it's not a slap in the face to our legal immigrants.

Think about it this way. Right now illegal immigrants aren't paying income tax while draining our infrastructure, they are creating a glut in our lower class that makes it hard to find jobs and they are driving wages down by working under min wage.

If we could stop this we could take immigrants in when we want them and with the credentials we wants. Not just the low class labor and criminals that flood in.

We could be bringing in immigrant doctors and engineers but no.... Liberals are dead set on rotting this country.

most of the illegals i know do in fact pay income tax

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump is bringing pride back to a country where we've lost pride with a president who has pandered to everyone

As far as your "wounded little white boys" comment. Trump and his supporters ars simply not letting liberals paint the white guys are all evil narrative and liberals hate it.

These soft liberals love to bully people and label them homophobic racist or whatever whenever something even slightly off color is said even if it's in a joking manner

Now that trump and his supporters are telling them to F off and that their dumb labels liberals put on them doesn't effect them liberals don't know what to do anymore.

OK, I will play along

I would like to understand how trump will make American great again

What exactly is the greatness America has lost?

How does that get regained?

and which of Trump's policies resonate with you?

I'm not a guy who thinks all trumps ideas or policies are all great I simply think the system needs to get blown up and the same old politicians they've been stuffing down our throats people are finally tired of.

Trump if nothing else represents change from the old guard of robotic politicians who will say what they think we'll get them elected but merely be a puppet for the lobbyists that get them in. Trump doesn't have that problem

Lastly can we stop with the melodramatic "he's hitler" nonsense.. If you believe that you're a damn fool..

No worries. Trump's mojo has even brought together Jews and Neo-Nazis. Such is the Power of Love.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-neo-nazis-jews_us_5747397be4b0dacf7ad4480e

Trump’s Neo-Nazi And Jewish Backers Are Both Convinced He’s Secretly On Their Side

Which works out great for him.

05/26/2016 03:54 pm ET | Updated 8 hours ago
Jessica Schulberg
Foreign Affairs Reporter, The Huffington Post

WASHINGTON — “He’s not Hitler,” Melania Trump said earlier this month in defense of her husband.

It’s a disclaimer not typically offered about the presidential nominee of a modern political party. But white nationalists and neo-Nazis have embraced Donald Trump — sending robocalls on his behalf, calling him their “Glorious Leader” on hate websites, and sending threatening messages to Jewish journalists covering him — and the presumptive Republican standard-bearer has repeatedly declined opportunities to denounce them.

Trump stalled before disavowing the endorsement of David Duke, a former KKK leader, and missed a deadline to take white nationalist honcho William Johnson off his delegate list. “I don’t have a message to the fans,” Trump said when CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked if he had anything to say to his supporters who sent Holocaust-themed memes and offered overnight casket delivery and homicide cleanup services to Julia Ioffe, a HuffPost Highline contributor who wrote a GQ profile of Melania.

Trump still hasn’t spoken out against his anti-Semitic supporters, who also threatened New York Times reporter Jonathan Weisman, called for the death of conservative political commentator Ben Shapiro and his children, and told conservative writer Bethany Mandel she deserved “the oven.”

That silence has both Trump’s neo-Nazi fans and his Jewish supporters convinced the candidate is secretly on their side.

-more-

[Cr0w]

It's crazy how much people go out of their way to not address illegal immigration. Like it's not a slap in the face to our legal immigrants.

Think about it this way. Right now illegal immigrants aren't paying income tax while draining our infrastructure, they are creating a glut in our lower class that makes it hard to find jobs and they are driving wages down by working under min wage.

If we could stop this we could take immigrants in when we want them and with the credentials we wants. Not just the low class labor and criminals that flood in.

We could be bringing in immigrant doctors and engineers but no.... Liberals are dead set on rotting this country.

most of the illegals i know do in fact pay income tax

Almost none do. That's not an opinion.

Some figures estimate illegals cost us between 200-300 billion a year but OMG 11 billion in sales tax every year. So valuable.

[gavran]

I hope American agriculture can recover, that straw man took a lot of resources.

Got to love ultra-liberals. Everyone to their right is a nazi.

[TrueWarrior]

Get em Don!!!!

[machu46]

Trump is a lying sac of s h i t

always has been

he is a man of the lowest character possible

hes been talking out both sides of his mouth the whole time and his supporters put their hands over their ears and go la la la la whenever it is pointed out that nothing trump says is legit or sincere or has an actionable plan

you get a bunch of yahoos saying he will make america great again

no explanation about what that means

its been backfiring
it will backfire for Trump's presidency and he will get what he really wants anyway which is a very lucrative talking head role for the right after the election

Have you seen the polls? Trump is crushing Hillary. He's gonna be the president

What polls are you referring to? On average, he's losing general election polls (which probably aren't too accurate right now anyways).

Regarding state polls, the three swing states of significance (assuming that Virginia and Wisconsin are locks for Hillary and North Carolina probably goes to Trump) are Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and the most recent polls as well as the average of recent polls show him losing all three. Hillary basically only needs to win one of those three states in order to win the presidency.

The polls suggest he has an extremely narrow path to the presidency.

[ccvle]

Many developed countries have an aging issue. Look at Japan. You cant grow a country when everyone is old and retired. US should be glad that we still have immigrants (both legal and illegal) that still want to come to the US. Yes, illegals may be a problem in the short term. (e.g., over crowded school, jobs,etc), but over the long term, they can be valuable members of the country. 10-20 years later, their adult children are no different than any child born in the us. I know many chinese illegals who don't pay taxes ( and many legals also don't), but by the second generation, their children are doctors, lawyers, and bankers.

[Cr0w]

Many developed countries have an aging issue. Look at Japan. You cant grow a country when everyone is old and retired. US should be glad that we still have immigrants (both legal and illegal) that still want to come to the US. Yes, illegals may be a problem in the short term. (e.g., over crowded school, jobs,etc), but over the long term, they can be valuable members of the country. 10-20 years later, their adult children are no different than any child born in the us. I know many chinese illegals who don't pay taxes ( and many legals also don't), but by the second generation, their children are doctors, lawyers, and bankers.

Stop it with the excuses with illegal immigration. If we want more immigrants we should be taking who we want, when we want. Not have the clucsterf-ck at our border with undocumented citizens who drain our infrastructure without paying taxes, take jobs/careers away from our lower class and drive the minimum wage down. Not to mention we're offering a safe haven for their criminals. We shouldn't be running America like James Dolan running the Knicks in the 2000s.

Letting illegal immigration go is both immoral and economically destructive.

[nykfan42]

Hillary belongs in prison. Make America great again!

[GONYK]

its been backfiring
it will backfire for Trump's presidency and he will get what he really wants anyway which is a very lucrative talking head role for the right after the election

Have you seen the polls? Trump is crushing Hillary. He's gonna be the president

What polls are you referring to? On average, he's losing general election polls (which probably aren't too accurate right now anyways).

Regarding state polls, the three swing states of significance (assuming that Virginia and Wisconsin are locks for Hillary and North Carolina probably goes to Trump) are Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and the most recent polls as well as the average of recent polls show him losing all three. Hillary basically only needs to win one of those three states in order to win the presidency.

The polls suggest he has an extremely narrow path to the presidency.

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[Dr. Detfink]

Military is why the US doesn't have China jacking up the rates on Walmart goods or interest rates on our debt as well as safe guarding mutual interests that Japan, Taiwan, and the Philipinnes have against China who has been stealing their islands little by little. The USA is also the country all of Europe runs behind when THEY have a problem with Iran and Iraq who is their PRIMARY source of oil. WE are the West...and without us, most of the world economics would fall to ruthless A-holes.

Keep in mind, when Congress overruled the President and allowed the export of natural gas and oil...we've been SCREWING over scumbags and Bullies like Venezuela, Russia, Saudis because the price of oil plummeted.

If you want to stay a First world nation, you BETTER have First World Military.

Now, I F-ing HATE Trump...but right now, the Democrats are worse than the Republicans and Bernie is doing a FINE JOB of turning this country towards Trump.

He's a lunatic who thinks $20 is enough to pay for your rent, shoes, and school. His economics don't work. Send his old wrinkled butt back to Vermont, the great state where absolutely nothing happens.