FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc

[DowNY]

Was listening to a podcast last night.
A cool scenario that I don’t see happening is....Blazers looking for a complete rebuild.
What if Knicks signed KD to max, then attempted to acquire both Dame & CJ?
Enough money to absorb Dame’s contract amount then throw prospects in to match CJ’s contract.
Cool idea. I like options, so that’s why I’m just throwing it out there. Lol

[Fury]

Was listening to a podcast last night.
A cool scenario that I don’t see happening is....Blazers looking for a complete rebuild.
What if Knicks signed KD to max, then attempted to acquire both Dame & CJ?
Enough money to absorb Dame’s contract amount then throw prospects in to match CJ’s contract.
Cool idea. I like options, so that’s why I’m just throwing it out there. Lol

Dame would be great. He’s on Kyrie’s level imo, and would cost less.

[drekwins]

Can the Clippers pull off AD and Kawhi?

We need this Lakers trade to go down. Otherwise, NO will wait to the summer, Kyrie and AD will get together and potentially orchestrate a trade to Boston. Then, Kawhi will go to LAC. KD won’t go to NY alone (esp after watching LeBron burn doing the same) and will probably go to LAC. They’ll then try to work out a sign and trade for McCollum and/or Beal.

NY will end up with Kemba and nothing else. They’ll probably trade for someone else like: McCollum or Beal... long story, short, it wouldn’t be good or sign Cousins to a 1 year huge deal.

If LAL get AD, LAC get Kawhi and Kemba, NY gets KD and Kyrie, Boston loses.

The big question to me is: Is Kawhi dead set on LA?

[DowNY]

Can the Clippers pull off AD and Kawhi?

Yo bro, you working with Bleacher report?
Your tweets were showing up on the Knicks channel of the app last night. Unless it’s someone else with the same name on Twitter.

[SARGO127]

Was listening to a podcast last night.
A cool scenario that I don’t see happening is....Blazers looking for a complete rebuild.
What if Knicks signed KD to max, then attempted to acquire both Dame & CJ?
Enough money to absorb Dame’s contract amount then throw prospects in to match CJ’s contract.
Cool idea. I like options, so that’s why I’m just throwing it out there. Lol

Dame would be great. He’s on Kyrie’s level imo, and would cost less.

I like Lillard more - and he's been more durable.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Can the Clippers pull off AD and Kawhi?

Yo bro, you working with Bleacher report?
Your tweets were showing up on the Knicks channel of the app last night. Unless it’s someone else with the same name on Twitter.

That's someone else

[K_ick_God]

Wojina saying that the Clippers got the most coveted asset with Miami's 2021 1st. But no guarantee Miami is worse than Dallas that year.

[DowNY]

Wojina saying that the Clippers got the most coveted asset with Miami's 2021 1st. But no guarantee Miami is worse than Dallas that year.

It’s a weird assumption.
Dragic & Whiteside are soon off the books. Wouldn’t put it past Pat Riley to swoop in for a few transactions by 2021 to improve their team.
We already know KP not playing the full season of 2021 because that’s just the type of player he is and Dallas are in cap hell.

[SelbyCobra]

Wojina saying that the Clippers got the most coveted asset with Miami's 2021 1st. But no guarantee Miami is worse than Dallas that year.

It’s a weird assumption.
Dragic & Whiteside are soon off the books. Wouldn’t put it past Pat Riley to swoop in for a few transactions by 2021 to improve their team.
We already know KP not playing the full season of 2021 because that’s just the type of player he is and Dallas are in cap hell.

It has little to do with that. It has to do with the fact that it's fully unprotected thus giving the possessor an enormous amount of flexibility in other moves.

The Knicks got the exact same level of "coveted asset" with the pick in the Porzingis deal.

The Miami pick was the only rawdog pick out there until Perry made his move.

[shtolky]

Wojina saying that the Clippers got the most coveted asset with Miami's 2021 1st. But no guarantee Miami is worse than Dallas that year.

Definitely thought this was weird. If that Miami pick is the most coveted asset, the Dallas pick has to be up there. No guarantee they make the playoffs in the west in 2021 or that they are even good at all.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Was listening to a podcast last night.
A cool scenario that I don’t see happening is....Blazers looking for a complete rebuild.
What if Knicks signed KD to max, then attempted to acquire both Dame & CJ?
Enough money to absorb Dame’s contract amount then throw prospects in to match CJ’s contract.
Cool idea. I like options, so that’s why I’m just throwing it out there. Lol

Dame would be great. He’s on Kyrie’s level imo, and would cost less.

that's the most potent perimeter team in the NBA off bat.

not loving the defensive prospects. but cost-wise, interesting. def saving money on what become value deals in dame and CJ.

not sure that's what KD has in mind, but i get it.

[robillionaire]

Wojina saying that the Clippers got the most coveted asset with Miami's 2021 1st. But no guarantee Miami is worse than Dallas that year.

It’s a weird assumption.
Dragic & Whiteside are soon off the books. Wouldn’t put it past Pat Riley to swoop in for a few transactions by 2021 to improve their team.
We already know KP not playing the full season of 2021 because that’s just the type of player he is and Dallas are in cap hell.

It has little to do with that. It has to do with the fact that it's fully unprotected thus giving the possessor an enormous amount of flexibility in other moves.

The Knicks got the exact same level of "coveted asset" with the pick in the Porzingis deal.

The Miami pick was the only rawdog pick out there until Perry made his move.

Big difference is that they were trading away the rights to someone else's unprotected first round pick and not their own. I'd be a lot more willing to trade Dallas unprotected first round pick than one of our own

[Jeff Van Gully]

Can the Clippers pull off AD and Kawhi?

We need this Lakers trade to go down. Otherwise, NO will wait to the summer, Kyrie and AD will get together and potentially orchestrate a trade to Boston. Then, Kawhi will go to LAC. KD won’t go to NY alone (esp after watching LeBron burn doing the same) and will probably go to LAC. They’ll then try to work out a sign and trade for McCollum and/or Beal.

NY will end up with Kemba and nothing else. They’ll probably trade for someone else like: McCollum or Beal... long story, short, it wouldn’t be good or sign Cousins to a 1 year huge deal.

If LAL get AD, LAC get Kawhi and Kemba, NY gets KD and Kyrie, Boston loses.

The big question to me is: Is Kawhi dead set on LA?

kemba is not turning down a supermax from charlotte. even if the knicks wanted to, how could he be on the table?

[SelbyCobra]

It’s a weird assumption.
Dragic & Whiteside are soon off the books. Wouldn’t put it past Pat Riley to swoop in for a few transactions by 2021 to improve their team.
We already know KP not playing the full season of 2021 because that’s just the type of player he is and Dallas are in cap hell.

It has little to do with that. It has to do with the fact that it's fully unprotected thus giving the possessor an enormous amount of flexibility in other moves.

The Knicks got the exact same level of "coveted asset" with the pick in the Porzingis deal.

The Miami pick was the only rawdog pick out there until Perry made his move.

Big difference is that they were trading away the rights to someone else's unprotected first round pick and not their own. I'd be a lot more willing to trade Dallas unprotected first round pick than one of our own

Sure, but the point was that Woj said that the Miami pick was "one of the most coveted picks in the league", and that is because it's already out there fully unprotected, not because people think it's going to be extremely high up.

[robillionaire]

It has little to do with that. It has to do with the fact that it's fully unprotected thus giving the possessor an enormous amount of flexibility in other moves.

The Knicks got the exact same level of "coveted asset" with the pick in the Porzingis deal.

The Miami pick was the only rawdog pick out there until Perry made his move.

Big difference is that they were trading away the rights to someone else's unprotected first round pick and not their own. I'd be a lot more willing to trade Dallas unprotected first round pick than one of our own

Sure, but the point was that Woj said that the Miami pick was "one of the most coveted picks in the league", and that is because it's already out there fully unprotected, not because people think it's going to be extremely high up.

Well, I guess that has to make the unprotected Dallas pick up there with it as a coveted asset

[newyorker4ever]

The Knicks knew -he who shall not be named- was going to leave so they were forced to trade him and other bad contracts and got back a young point guard with upside in DSJ and multiple first round picks. I'm not sure how people are making the leap from that to "the Knicks must know Durant and Kyrie are coming". The move had to be done independently of these guys. Maybe it happens, I'm sure we make a pitch to them, but this is just the media further setting us up for a massive overreaction and disappointment when they don't come, imo. So they have something to get on TV and scream about.

We have a young exciting roster with another top draft pick coming this summer and for the first time I can remember we don't have a single albatross contract on the roster. As long as Pills learn their lesson and don't sign a bunch of THJ 4 year deals with player options and trade kickers after whiffing on the top FA's, I'll be really excited about the rebuild even if we don't get those dudes. Maybe it's just me but if we commit to a rebuild and roll out Mitch Zion Knox Frank DSJ or something similar I'm good. KD is a snake who couldn't win with westbrook and harden and joined steph's 73 win team and uses burner twitter accounts because he's insecure and and he is getting old. Kyrie thinks earth is flat and has a bum knee. I'll be ok, I'm mentally prepared for it.

Yeah i'm not on the side with the people that think the sky is falling if we don't get two max players this offseason. As long as Perry doesn't get stupid and spend the money the wrong way then i'm good with another year of rebuilding and adding a good player in this lottery whether that's Zion or not. I don't feel the same way about KD the player as you do cause he did win with Russ, they just didn't win a championship but they got close. If PG doesn't win a championship with Russ are you gonna say he's not all that either?

He's a good player but he isn't prime LeBron. He's not going to carry this team anywhere. Everything I've seen leads me to believe that he needs massive support from other league MVP caliber players. Kyrie isn't one of those players. We need KD+AD or KD+Kawhi or I'm skeptical that we'd even be a contender.

But no team is winning a championship without AT LEAST two star players on that team. Even Lebron needs AT LEAST one star player with him to win a championship. Now Lebron has taken teams without another super star far into the playoffs but he hasn't won any of his championships without AT LEAST one star and really two playing with him.

[K_ick_God]

It has little to do with that. It has to do with the fact that it's fully unprotected thus giving the possessor an enormous amount of flexibility in other moves.

The Knicks got the exact same level of "coveted asset" with the pick in the Porzingis deal.

The Miami pick was the only rawdog pick out there until Perry made his move.

Big difference is that they were trading away the rights to someone else's unprotected first round pick and not their own. I'd be a lot more willing to trade Dallas unprotected first round pick than one of our own

Sure, but the point was that Woj said that the Miami pick was "one of the most coveted picks in the league", and that is because it's already out there fully unprotected, not because people think it's going to be extremely high up.

You're right but the drill is to consistently undervalue the Knicks' assets and overstate others'.

[SelbyCobra]

Big difference is that they were trading away the rights to someone else's unprotected first round pick and not their own. I'd be a lot more willing to trade Dallas unprotected first round pick than one of our own

Sure, but the point was that Woj said that the Miami pick was "one of the most coveted picks in the league", and that is because it's already out there fully unprotected, not because people think it's going to be extremely high up.

Well, I guess that has to make the unprotected Dallas pick up there with it as a coveted asset

Absolutely. Buzz and I were talking about this yesterday - a completely unprotected pick is a huge deal because it allows the owning team so much flexibility beyond the norm in terms of trades and planning. The Stepien Rule is skirted in the years around the pick for whomever owns it. So on May 14th if the Mavs pick conveys to ATL this year and the Knicks get that unprotected in 2021, the Knicks can literally trade a team draft picks in four consecutive years on draft night.

Knicks: select player in 2019 draft and package him with 2020 1st, 2021 1st (because they outright own Dallas'), and 2022 1st.

Any other team (except LAC now): Select player in 2019 draft and package him with 2020 1st, 2022 1st, and 2024 1st.

And it only gets worse if the team looking to make the deal already has outstanding 1st round obligations to push the picks out even further and make their deal less attractive.

This never really exists though because if the pick is even protected just top-1, it's not considered owning it fully and the Stepien Rule still applies. Perry managed to pull one out of Cuban though.

[robillionaire]

Yeah i'm not on the side with the people that think the sky is falling if we don't get two max players this offseason. As long as Perry doesn't get stupid and spend the money the wrong way then i'm good with another year of rebuilding and adding a good player in this lottery whether that's Zion or not. I don't feel the same way about KD the player as you do cause he did win with Russ, they just didn't win a championship but they got close. If PG doesn't win a championship with Russ are you gonna say he's not all that either?

He's a good player but he isn't prime LeBron. He's not going to carry this team anywhere. Everything I've seen leads me to believe that he needs massive support from other league MVP caliber players. Kyrie isn't one of those players. We need KD+AD or KD+Kawhi or I'm skeptical that we'd even be a contender.

But no team is winning a championship without AT LEAST two star players on that team. Even Lebron needs AT LEAST one star player with him to win a championship. Now Lebron has taken teams without another super star far into the playoffs but he hasn't won any of his championships without AT LEAST one star and really two playing with him.

I agree multiple stars are needed, but my thought is that KD needs more than just a star player, I think he needs League MVP caliber players, just another star won't cut it

[blanko]

Tobias to Philly... i suppose this means:

A) Jimmy stays
B) Clippers more ammo for AD trade
C) EC slightly better

Yup this is about AD for sure

Or it is insurance in case jimmy acts up.

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