Knicks Get Reddish per Woj

[KnickMan]

Reddish is a bum to me but we’ll see how he does here.

if he was great, he wouldnt have been available for so cheap

Lol, who said he was great???? He is an ascending young player who was stuck behind several young players who were making big money on ATL. He is extremely talented and ceiling is very high. He was starting to come into his own (just dropped over 30 points on the Bulls just two weeks ago) and exactly what this team needs. Long, athletic, excellent defender, all around player. Improving 3 point shooter, excellent passer, slasher and finisher. He also has a nice mid-range. He was an absolute steal for Knox and protected first.

[K_ick_God]

Reddish is a bum to me but we’ll see how he does here.

if he was great, he wouldnt have been available for so cheap

Lol, who said he was great???? He is an ascending young player who was stuck behind several young players who were making big money on ATL. He is extremely talented and ceiling is very high. He was starting to come into his own (just dropped over 30 points on the Bulls just two weeks ago) and exactly what this team needs. Long, athletic, excellent defender, all around player. Improving 3 point shooter, excellent passer, slasher and finisher. He also has a nice mid-range. He was an absolute steal for Knox and protected first.

Some say he's not a good defender. They say he's unplugged on D.

[Huey Freeman]

I guess we are out of the Simmons sweepstakes.

I don’t think we were ever in it. I believe I read somewhere that said NYK had not even formally called Morey about Ben Simmons.

[TrueWarrior]

Cam is a fuggin 79 in 2K? No wonder the kiddies love him lol. He’s had some good games in the last month so their ratings are prisoners of the moment, but dayum. They got him as an elite 3 and D guy in there.

Then you look at his real life league bottom +/- and straight bad advanced stats and go wtf, no wonder he was traded.

For real tho, this guy played 26 mpg with the Hawks over his 3 years. He was unhappy with that and apparently requested a trade before the season. Well unless we pull off another trade ourselves he’ll be lucky to crack 20 mpg here, unless he actually does turn into T-Mac lol.

Trade is still solid for what it is, but the main reason I dont mind it is it’s another pizza shaped puzzle piece to entice Mr. Williamson.

[TKKnicks1]

So does he just take Knox's minutes? Meaning he rots on the bench?

[NYKnickerbocker]

Thibs gunna over practice RJ into jimmy butler and cam into Paul George

[JBreezeNY]

Let's pretend for a bit.

Knicks get Zion and reproduce the Duke trio.

Assume Randle goes out in the trade. That's it. Obviously it will take a lot more.
But

Leave yourself some role players.
Part of this is you get to debate if RJ continues to improve, or doesn't, or fixes certain flaws or doesn't.
Same for Cam
For the sake of sanity, Zion is the best possible version seen in the short time he's been healthy.

Oh. And all 3 have to start.
Can you build a deep playoff team with two realistic additions etc at C/PF (depending on how you want to use Zion) and PG?

Which handful of young Knicks would you retain to fill out the bench or even start?

What is their ceiling?

2nd round exit, with their talent it should be a ECF appearance but this team has a lot of question marks.

As good as Zion is when healthy and not fat, there’s two issues here:

1. The East has the Bucks, the Nets & the Bulls. The Heat & 76ers would be tough outs but are beatable. The Cavs are another team to look out for but still they’re beatable.

2. The supporting cast of RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Burks, etc, etc is a defensive mess in addition to their streakiness on offense.

There’s a huge positive in all of this tho, which is Zion is an elite read & react player, RJ is a really good read & react player, having them play a two man game where they can each cut & move off-ball will open up the offense for themselves and the rest of the team.

The team as constructed in the hypothetical, would have pretty decent but not great role players, one elite player with questionable conditioning & another player in RJ who sometimes looks great and sometimes looks like a role player himself. It would be fun to watch & they’d make the playoffs but unless RJ takes a super leap it wouldn’t go far.

As far as players on said roster, I don’t see Rose & Kemba on the roster, Mitch wouldn’t make sense so he’d be gone, I don’t want Cam but he’d still be here to entice Zion, Quickley would probably be in a package to get Zion, roster would be 1 - idk, 2 - RJ, 3 - Grimes, 4 - Zion, 5 - Stretch 5.

A lot of question marks but they could do something…maybe.

[BKlutch]

20 PPG without Trae

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i'm sure after cam meets tom, he will pray every moment of his waking life that he could be reunited w/ trae again.

OMG - is it true you're changing your name to evilvale?

[DrCoach]

Knox going to drop 50 on Saturday

On NBA 2K

[thebuzzardman]

Let's pretend for a bit.

Knicks get Zion and reproduce the Duke trio.

Assume Randle goes out in the trade. That's it. Obviously it will take a lot more.
But

Leave yourself some role players.
Part of this is you get to debate if RJ continues to improve, or doesn't, or fixes certain flaws or doesn't.
Same for Cam
For the sake of sanity, Zion is the best possible version seen in the short time he's been healthy.

Oh. And all 3 have to start.
Can you build a deep playoff team with two realistic additions etc at C/PF (depending on how you want to use Zion) and PG?

Which handful of young Knicks would you retain to fill out the bench or even start?

What is their ceiling?

Definitely grimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’d honestly rolll with Cam at pg!!!!!!!!!!!???

Cam
Grimes
Rj
Zion
Stretch 5

And fill the rest of the roster with good 3&D players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was definitely thinking stretch 5.
After that, it gets more difficult for me. Shooting PG? Caretaker PG with a shot?
Creative PG who takes the ball out of RJ's and Cam's hands some but you kind of should?
Not sure.

Def a stretch 5 with Zion though.

[evevale]

20 PPG without Trae

Read on Twitter

i'm sure after cam meets tom, he will pray every moment of his waking life that he could be reunited w/ trae again.

OMG - is it true you're changing your name to evilvale?

you should take a moment to carefully pronounce the spelling of my name. to do so would reveal that evilvale is not only redundant but that change is unnecessary as i've been wicked all along

[TerrenceClarke]

Bruh.....




Anyone crying about this bugging. There isn't a wing with the physical profile on the Knicks in the same tier as Cam. RJ will be in his ear about what Thibs expects. RJ is what will make this work as he will be Cams guide to Thibs and what he wants. Cam will listen to what RJ has to say.


Beast Mode....

[DaGawd]

Fwiw Frank Isola praising the trade for us on Nets half time broadcast tonight

[evevale]

Cam is a fuggin 79 in 2K? No wonder the kiddies love him lol.

uh excuse me but i'm psure kiddies don't go full greeny @ a mere 79. now if he was a 82+ then yes i'm ready to start sending nudes

[BKlutch]

i'm sure after cam meets tom, he will pray every moment of his waking life that he could be reunited w/ trae again.

OMG - is it true you're changing your name to evilvale?

you should take a moment to carefully pronounce the spelling of my name. to do so would reveal that evilvale is not only redundant but that change is unnecessary as i've been wicked all along

At least this avi is wicked hot, as opposed to the last one, which was wicked ugly LOL

[TrueWarrior]

Cam is a fuggin 79 in 2K? No wonder the kiddies love him lol.

uh excuse me but i'm psure kiddies don't go full greeny @ a mere 79. now if he was a 82+ then yes i'm ready to start sending nudes

They just upped Meech to an 82! Send him a few blurry 90s vhs tape recordings of late night skinamax flicks.

[thebuzzardman]

We traded a first round draft pick - that potentially could've been included in a package deal for the star that you've been longing for - for a player whose career FG% is barely above Frank and Knox.

Your phlegm in this very moment is appalling

What’s funny is that half this board trashed that same 1st round pick when it was acquired a couple months ago. Lol
Now all of sudden, it’s so valuable to some. As if we still don’t have our pick, future picks - including the Mavs next year & a lot of 2nds (which that Hornets 1st can technically turn into in a few years if it doesn’t convey).

I think it was trashed because it went from a guaranteed first to a conditional first. But it's a first nonetheless.

We only have a finite number of firsts to trade. And trading that one means we're getting closer to trading our own if we reach the point where we need to trade a first, whether in a trade for a star or in a trade to clear capspace (eg a Fournier trade).

You can't treat a first round pick like it's nothing or trade it for a marginal player like Cam Reddish.

Imagine if (hypothetical scenario) James Harden wants to sign with the Knicks this offseason. We'd have one fewer first to trade to create capspace.

Imagine if Zion or Dame forces his way out of NO/Portland. That's an extra one of our own firsts we have to trade because the Charlotte pick is gone.

2nd rounders are mostly insignificant.

But hopefully Cam improves and plays well for the Knicks. I'm skeptical, but maybe a change of scenery is what he needed. My point was, we didn't trade nothing for him.

I'm trying to talk myself into certain things about the trade. Probably not a good sign.

Anyway, agree about holding on to an asset.
Knicks punted 2021 pick into the future for the various reasons we've stated - cost free asset for trade, or a player to pick once maybe something sorted itself out at this deadline, where a trade opened a roster spot for 2022 or 2023.

I'm thinking Knicks were of a few minds in this trade.

Another Perry 2nd draft thing
Addressing true height/potential defense at backup SF
That the 2021 Charlotte #1 WOULD convey, and Knicks were looking at potentially adding 2 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder and maybe trying to use the $10 million MLE slot.
And they in effect decided to convert the slot that would have opened up with Knox into Reddish, while also sort of having to not deal with the 2021 extra 1st rounder.

Of course, they could have traded it on draft day or the offseason for a different future pick or, as you state, have it for some trade, but I think the pick conveying limited the trade to sooner than later, and ultimately they like the combination of some upside, some more height at backup SF, and trying to create some additional motivation for Zion.

Or, it's fresh meat to keep Dolan sedated, where they are telling him "We'll get the Duke guys together" and it buys them some time to make some real trades.

[TerrenceClarke]

Fwiw Frank Isola praising the trade for us on Nets half time broadcast tonight

everywhere you go the trade was praised. its only here that people want to poo poo it. Cant remember the last time the Knicks made trade where it was universally praised.

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[thebuzzardman]

Bruh.....




Anyone crying about this bugging. There isn't a wing with the physical profile on the Knicks in the same tier as Cam. RJ will be in his ear about what Thibs expects. RJ is what will make this work as he will be Cams guide to Thibs and what he wants. Cam will listen to what RJ has to say.


Beast Mode....

I agree.

But I think it's a bit of a test for the Knicks FO, Thibs, and the rest of the coaching staff (particularly Bryant)

E-Balla thinks Cam bags it some and believes his own hype and it's held him back
Cam apparently wants more minutes and role
Thibs is into guys who earn it in practice and help him win now
Bryant has to unlock the hardwork/efficiency side of Cam fast enough that he actually plays enough with Thibs as coach before his attitude might tank, in spite of RJ

I hope the FO and Thibs are in sync enough here that Thibs etc make him earn it, but they give him enough opportunity to keep his head in the project.
Basically, they don't Obi him.

We shall see.

Would be a great story if the Knicks got a steal on a young underachiever who turns it around.
Big boost to league wide reputation too.

[RHODEY]

if he was great, he wouldnt have been available for so cheap

Lol, who said he was great???? He is an ascending young player who was stuck behind several young players who were making big money on ATL. He is extremely talented and ceiling is very high. He was starting to come into his own (just dropped over 30 points on the Bulls just two weeks ago) and exactly what this team needs. Long, athletic, excellent defender, all around player. Improving 3 point shooter, excellent passer, slasher and finisher. He also has a nice mid-range. He was an absolute steal for Knox and protected first.

Some say he's not a good defender. They say he's unplugged on D.

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