Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[Chanel Bomber]

I see you trying to be slick with gallo for 50 and chandler for 25

[Jeff Van Gully]

lol shout out Zach Lowe

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well done, zach lowe

he said he was gonna throw up in his mouth before he said us.. points deducted

lol. i heard. people allowed to not like the knicks.

if anything, that adds weight to what he's saying by taking the homer glasses out of the equation. it also lends to his credibility that he doesn't do this work based on who he likes or doesn't. the qualifier gives him a base signal of objectivity.

[Guano]

jesus. look at that chart. i'm just gonna keep my dollar.

I struggle remembering important dates and names of people in my life yet I can name every one of these bums.

[god shammgod]

you guys always get mad but that's what the rest of the country actually thinks about this franchise. it's not hate. nobody hates someone who's always losing. someone has to have some level of success to be hated on.

[Iron Mantis]

True story. A Knicks PF receives the ball out near the 3pt line and a 6'-4" defender is switched on to him. One scenario: two different results.

1. Knick's PF automatically switches into tunnel vision "I must shoot this ball no matter WHAT because mismatch!". The smaller guy is a good defender and holds his ground....Knicks PF is hell-bent on trying to dribble past the defender and turns it over.....or tries to back him down, fails, and forces & bricks a contested long 2 with one or two defenders in his face... or realizes he can't get a comfortable shot after completely running down the shot clock and finally passes it with 3 seconds left: shot clock violation or bailout air ball.

2. In the same situation, a different Knicks PF, aware of his limitations, simply passes the ball with no hesitation and looks to move without the ball towards the paint for a quick score...or passes it and the ball quickly finds its way to a guard that has a big switched on to him. Guard torches the big and scores easily, or collapses the defense, resulting in a Knicks high percentage shot in the paint or wide open 3 ball and the Knicks score.

The same scenario plays out multiple times during the course of the game....

Who is PF in outcome #1 and who is PF in outcome #2?

You're ignoring the other scernario where PF #2 passes the ball, moves, goes to post, receives the ball posting up the 6'4" guard and get bodied out of position and balance.
And no, I don't mean Porzingis.

Obi is decent, but he has his flaws.

love obi. PF1 also has an all-nba season in which he demonstrated the ability to manage both scenarios appropriately. i don't hate the idea of giving him a chance to find that again. even if you want to trade him, that's useful.

His fluke, empty arena, ALL-NBA season is his curse....because now he thinks he is a star and needs to be the focal point of an offense. But he's not it...

If you want to see Randle thrive, then he basically needs to play off the ball and stop trying to create. If he's willing to drop the ego from that fluke All-NBA season and be a complementary piece, a 4th option, he can be efficient and quite good.

Randle-centric offense is bad basketball.

[god shammgod]

jesus. look at that chart. i'm just gonna keep my dollar.

I struggle remembering important dates and names of people in my life yet I can name every one of these bums.

i'm searching my mind for someone who didn't make the chart. i mean, is this all we have to show for the last 15 years from the draft ? it's amazingly pathetic.

[Chanel Bomber]

jesus. look at that chart. i'm just gonna keep my dollar.

I struggle remembering important dates and names of people in my life yet I can name every one of these bums.

i'm searching my mind for someone who didn't make the chart. i mean, is this all we have to show for the last 15 years from the draft ? it's amazingly pathetic.

Ognjen Jaramaz

You're welcome.

[Guano]

jesus. look at that chart. i'm just gonna keep my dollar.

I struggle remembering important dates and names of people in my life yet I can name every one of these bums.

i'm searching my mind for someone who didn't make the chart. i mean, is this all we have to show for the last 15 years from the draft ? it's amazingly pathetic.

and we have people worried about trading 10 unprotected picks for Donovan Mitchell.

[god shammgod]

I struggle remembering important dates and names of people in my life yet I can name every one of these bums.

i'm searching my mind for someone who didn't make the chart. i mean, is this all we have to show for the last 15 years from the draft ? it's amazingly pathetic.

and we have people worried about trading 10 unprotected picks for Donovan Mitchell.

i said it days ago. in our hands those picks won't be sh*t. might as well give them to someone who will use them for good.

[Fury]

you guys always get mad but that's what the rest of the country actually thinks about this franchise. it's not hate. nobody hates someone who's always losing. someone has to have some level of success to be hated on.

Ehhh maybe but there’s a difference between how they talk about the Knicks and let’s say the Kings. And before anyone says “derrr it’s NY,” it can’t go both ways.

[Ghetto Gospel]

jesus. look at that chart. i'm just gonna keep my dollar.

I struggle remembering important dates and names of people in my life yet I can name every one of these bums.

i'm searching my mind for someone who didn't make the chart. i mean, is this all we have to show for the last 15 years from the draft ? it's amazingly pathetic.

this list really needed pablo prigioni

[Priggy Smalls]

jesus. look at that chart. i'm just gonna keep my dollar.

I struggle remembering important dates and names of people in my life yet I can name every one of these bums.

i'm searching my mind for someone who didn't make the chart. i mean, is this all we have to show for the last 15 years from the draft ? it's amazingly pathetic.

I hope we send utah all our firsts just so I get a reprieve from this garbage.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I struggle remembering important dates and names of people in my life yet I can name every one of these bums.

i'm searching my mind for someone who didn't make the chart. i mean, is this all we have to show for the last 15 years from the draft ? it's amazingly pathetic.

this list really needed pablo prigioni

Mans was like 40 when he got here

[G_K_F]

Trading the picks has nothing to do with who the Knicks will draft. It's about future assets to trade. Trading all your assets for one guy who isn't winning you a title is pretty dumb, whether you just want to "have fun" or not.

[Iron Mantis]

love obi. PF1 also has an all-nba season in which he demonstrated the ability to manage both scenarios appropriately. i don't hate the idea of giving him a chance to find that again. even if you want to trade him, that's useful.

Problem with that all-nba season is that he was top 10 in touches per game, he had the ball more than Giannis, Embiid, Lillard, DONOVAN, Tatum, Curry and a host of other players and of course no fans. I don't think he can play without the ball, and I don't think he'd be able to simply get out of the way of plays and let them develop on their own.


Randle's stats are almost in lock step with his touches, meaning he's far less effective when the offense isn't revolving around him completely. Brunson and Mitchell have both shown they can play off the ball, both of them averaged less touches per game this season than Randle did. But here, you'd want to see them kick that up a notch and have the ball more than they did on their previous teams. So lets say Brunson and Mitchell end up combing for 155 touches per game, that would knock Randle down into the low 60s for touches per game, and his stats will be nowhere near All-nba level.

that's fine, we wouldn't want him carrying a team on his back anymore and that's the only way he can be an all NBA player. we should hope he averages like 16 and 8 with 3 or 4 assists a game, to me that would be good from the pf position. Maybe that's not worth what they're paying him but that's about what you'd want out of a 3rd or 4th option, you'd basically want his stats to drop like chris bosh 2013 2014 after he joined the heat, he wasn't putting up the numbers he did in Toronto but that was good for the team. I think there's a better chance randle respects players like brunson and donovan to let them run the show

Oh, so you basically want him at Obi's per 36 numbers.



You don't have to twist Obi's arm and put him through emotional therapy sessions to make him embrace a role as 4th option to hit those numbers on very good efficiency....

[Ghetto Gospel]

i'm searching my mind for someone who didn't make the chart. i mean, is this all we have to show for the last 15 years from the draft ? it's amazingly pathetic.

this list really needed pablo prigioni

Mans was like 40 when he got here

yeah but there's literally like 2 guys only you can take to play the 1, IQ at 50c or frank at 10c, iq for 50 is eh and frank is not really a 1, maybe squeeze in mardy collins or toney douglas for 5c?

[Priggy Smalls]

this list really needed pablo prigioni

Mans was like 40 when he got here

yeah but there's literally like 2 guys only you can take to play the 1, IQ at 50c or frank at 10c, iq for 50 is eh and frank is not really a 1, maybe squeeze in mardy collins or toney douglas for 5c?

I'd rather have harry Douglas.

[xsaberx]

Wow...

Frank
RJ
Chandler
Obi
Sims

50c tier is not worth the cost

[Guano]

this list really needed pablo prigioni

Mans was like 40 when he got here

yeah but there's literally like 2 guys only you can take to play the 1, IQ at 50c or frank at 10c, iq for 50 is eh and frank is not really a 1, maybe squeeze in mardy collins or toney douglas for 5c?

knicks have rarely had options at the 1 not having many options here is on brand

[Jimmit79]

IQ
Andy Rautins
Landry Field
Obi
Sims


BTW where is McBride?