OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[Rasho Brezec]

Here's why Trump's going to win this:

He started the campaign as a clown saying outrageous things and has been slowly creeping towards more moderate views. Hillary's going in the opposite direction. Voters have a short-term memory.

[CharlesOakley]

It's crazy how much people go out of their way to not address illegal immigration. Like it's not a slap in the face to our legal immigrants.

Think about it this way. Right now illegal immigrants aren't paying income tax while draining our infrastructure, they are creating a glut in our lower class that makes it hard to find jobs and they are driving wages down by working under min wage.

If we could stop this we could take immigrants in when we want them and with the credentials we wants. Not just the low class labor and criminals that flood in.

We could be bringing in immigrant doctors and engineers but no.... Liberals are dead set on rotting this country.

most of the illegals i know do in fact pay income tax

Almost none do. That's not an opinion.

Some figures estimate illegals cost us between 200-300 billion a year but OMG 11 billion in sales tax every year. So valuable.

Only these figures are completely made up and come from groups like Federation for American Immigration Reform. The data on illegal immigrants is hard to wrangle. These figures are basically educated guesses.

You know who else costs American tax payers a lot of money? Old people. If we could only get rid of old people, they are such a drain on the economy. They don't work, they don't pay into social security and they have incredibly high medical costs.

On average illegal immigrants pay approximately 6.4% of their income in state and local taxes. Somewhere around 2/3rds of illegals pay income tax each year. (An actual fact - not an opinion).

Illegals also pay 15 billion a year into Social Security without any ability to ever collect benefits. Without immigrants, Social Security would collapse in about 20 years because of the baby boomers.

Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid and most other benefits. They only qualify for emergency medical care. A CBO report on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 concluded that a path to legalization for immigrants would increase federal revenues by $48 billion. Such a plan would see $23 billion in increased costs from the use of public services, but ultimately, it would produce a surplus of $25 billion for the government.

The belief that immigrants take jobs that can otherwise be filled by hard-working Americans has been disputed by an overwhelming number of economic research studies and data. immigrants fill the growing gap between expanding low-skilled jobs and the shrinking pool of native-born Americans who are willing to take such jobs. By facilitating the growth of such sectors as retail, agriculture, landscaping, restaurants, and hotels, low-skilled immigrants have enabled those sectors to expand, attract investment, and create middle-class jobs in management, design and engineering, bookkeeping, marketing and other areas that employ U.S. citizens.

Lastly, Mexican immigrants are leaving the US faster than they are entering. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/more-mexican-immigrants-leaving-us-than-entering-report-finds.html?_r=0 Try actually using data or facts from unbiased sources. Also, notice that in your photo of Trump there is someone being a horrible racist in the comments. His pandering to this sector of the US population should let you know you are on the wrong side of this fight.

[Cr0w]

most of the illegals i know do in fact pay income tax

Almost none do. That's not an opinion.

Some figures estimate illegals cost us between 200-300 billion a year but OMG 11 billion in sales tax every year. So valuable.

Only these figures are completely made up and come from groups like Federation for American Immigration Reform. The data on illegal immigrants is hard to wrangle. These figures are basically educated guesses.

You know who else costs American tax payers a lot of money? Old people. If we could only get rid of old people, they are such a drain on the economy. They don't work, they don't pay into social security and they have incredibly high medical costs.

On average illegal immigrants pay approximately 6.4% of their income in state and local taxes. Somewhere around 2/3rds of illegals pay income tax each year. (An actual fact - not an opinion).

Illegals also pay 15 billion a year into Social Security without any ability to ever collect benefits. Without immigrants, Social Security would collapse in about 20 years because of the baby boomers.

Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid and most other benefits. They only qualify for emergency medical care. A CBO report on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 concluded that a path to legalization for immigrants would increase federal revenues by $48 billion. Such a plan would see $23 billion in increased costs from the use of public services, but ultimately, it would produce a surplus of $25 billion for the government.

The belief that immigrants take jobs that can otherwise be filled by hard-working Americans has been disputed by an overwhelming number of economic research studies and data. immigrants fill the growing gap between expanding low-skilled jobs and the shrinking pool of native-born Americans who are willing to take such jobs. By facilitating the growth of such sectors as retail, agriculture, landscaping, restaurants, and hotels, low-skilled immigrants have enabled those sectors to expand, attract investment, and create middle-class jobs in management, design and engineering, bookkeeping, marketing and other areas that employ U.S. citizens.

Lastly, Mexican immigrants are leaving the US faster than they are entering. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/more-mexican-immigrants-leaving-us-than-entering-report-finds.html?_r=0 Try actually using data or facts from unbiased sources. Also, notice that in your photo of Trump there is someone being a horrible racist in the comments. His pandering to this sector of the US population should let you know you are on the wrong side of this fight.

The fact that we are not able to reliable track illegal immigration and their costs is another great reason why we should be looking to eliminate it as much as possible. If we can't track it and the massive costs, how can we make accurate plans related to our budget in the future? This is a foreign country and foreign people putting an unfair burden on us and it sets a horrible precedent.

Whether or not illegals use food stamps and pay for social security the fact remains that they contribute around 11 billion in taxes while draining 100-300 billion(thats the best range we can estimate) and that's the bottom line. That is both unethical and destructive.

Any gap immigrants are filling in our job market could be met with legal americans. There is a horrible lack of jobs and careers on the lower level in america which is why there is mandatory min wage increases. Instead of hiring 1 skilled legal person to do a low class job who can then propel that into a middle class career, it's more worth it to hire 3 illegals for the less the money and if one starts asking for more money, just hire someone else because there's a million different people that are interchangeable under these market conditions.

[CharlesOakley]

You need to start posting links to back up your insanely high figures. Regardless of your personal beliefs the jobs that illegals fill are jobs that citizens tend not to take. (This is what is meant by shrinking pool). I'm not going to debate you if all you can write is the same personal opinion with no facts even after I post articles that refute your opinion. Best of luck to you and your racist overlord.

[BadNewsBarnes]

You know who else costs American tax payers a lot of money? Old people. If we could only get rid of old people, they are such a drain on the economy. They don't work, they don't pay into social security and they have incredibly high medical costs.

Ok, let's start by getting rid of Bernie, Trump and Hillary.

[NoLayupRule]

Have you seen the polls? Trump is crushing Hillary. He's gonna be the president

What polls are you referring to? On average, he's losing general election polls (which probably aren't too accurate right now anyways).

Regarding state polls, the three swing states of significance (assuming that Virginia and Wisconsin are locks for Hillary and North Carolina probably goes to Trump) are Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and the most recent polls as well as the average of recent polls show him losing all three. Hillary basically only needs to win one of those three states in order to win the presidency.

The polls suggest he has an extremely narrow path to the presidency.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MilesGrant/status/736182196596264960[/tweet]

which again is meaningless in the US political system

the house of representatives is majority republican and there were a significant majority of democratic voters in the election

its not always 1:1 here

we have an electoral system
if Clinton has the coasts and the swing states and places like New Mexico and such its gonna be a blood bath

right now you can see how it currently stands here:
http://www.270towin.com/polling-maps/aDxX9/

Candidates need 270 to win
Clinton should expect 199 to be locked up as of today - thats the north east, west coast and places like PA and NC
Trump should expect 35 to be locked up - thats TX, the midwest and the deep south.

there are 132 electoral votes up for grab in this scenario
thats still not enough for Trump if he gets them all, and he won't
if Clinton lands OH, FL and MI she's 10 away

its a very hard path for Trump as he's alienated half the country already

not to take it for granted though, thats for sure

[NY2TheBay]

Too caught up in the class warfare, mistake of every Marx fanatic. Starts to resemble religion fast. The world is a rainbow, you have to see every colour.

I want to highlight this post as it is what I personally believe in. For those that are "tracking" people's posts in here or eager to label (I think you are foolish but thats a different deal), I have voted dem but am a registered independent. I think it's important to look at things through an un-bias lens. I do well enough where I don't need to vote off of what is going to keep more money in my bank account, its negligible. I vote based off of who I think is best for the country and has a better chance to fulfill what they are campaigning for. I personally don't care for politics as they ALL are puppets for a higher order.

[BadNewsBarnes]

What polls are you referring to? On average, he's losing general election polls (which probably aren't too accurate right now anyways).

Regarding state polls, the three swing states of significance (assuming that Virginia and Wisconsin are locks for Hillary and North Carolina probably goes to Trump) are Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and the most recent polls as well as the average of recent polls show him losing all three. Hillary basically only needs to win one of those three states in order to win the presidency.

The polls suggest he has an extremely narrow path to the presidency.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MilesGrant/status/736182196596264960[/tweet]

which again is meaningless in the US political system

the house of representatives is majority republican and there were a significant majority of democratic voters in the election

its not always 1:1 here

we have an electoral system
if Clinton has the coasts and the swing states and places like New Mexico and such its gonna be a blood bath

right now you can see how it currently stands here:
http://www.270towin.com/polling-maps/aDxX9/

Candidates need 270 to win
Clinton should expect 199 to be locked up as of today - thats the north east, west coast and places like PA and NC
Trump should expect 35 to be locked up - thats TX, the midwest and the deep south.

there are 132 electoral votes up for grab in this scenario
thats still not enough for Trump if he gets them all, and he won't
if Clinton lands OH, FL and MI she's 10 away

its a very hard path for Trump as he's alienated half the country already

not to take it for granted though, thats for sure

Spoiler:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/22/model-that-correctly-predicted-every-election-since-1980-gives-2016-verdict/

[Cr0w]

You need to start posting links to back up your insanely high figures. Regardless of your personal beliefs the jobs that illegals fill are jobs that citizens tend not to take. (This is what is meant by shrinking pool). I'm not going to debate you if all you can write is the same personal opinion with no facts even after I post articles that refute your opinion. Best of luck to you and your racist overlord.

Jobs that citizens "tend not to take", wtf kind of wording is that?

Anyone will take a job for the right dollar. When we have an infinite amount of lower class citicizens flooding our country and undercutting our legal minimum wage, it makes that dollar amount very small. If we didn't have a glut of people and having those people undercutting minimum wage, through supply and demand, wages naturally increase. And you avoid all the nasty effects of mandatory min wage increases.

Enjoy your voodoo economics where the top 5% continue to explode in wealth while the lower and middle class stagnate like they have for 30 years.

[CharlesOakley]

You need to start posting links to back up your insanely high figures. Regardless of your personal beliefs the jobs that illegals fill are jobs that citizens tend not to take. (This is what is meant by shrinking pool). I'm not going to debate you if all you can write is the same personal opinion with no facts even after I post articles that refute your opinion. Best of luck to you and your racist overlord.

Jobs that citizens "tend not to take", wtf kind of wording is that?

Anyone will take a job for the right dollar. When we have an infinite amount of lower class citicizens flooding our country and undercutting our legal minimum wage, it makes that dollar amount very small. If we didn't have a glut of people and having those people undercutting minimum wage, through supply and demand, wages naturally increase. And you avoid all the nasty effects of mandatory min wage increases.

Enjoy your voodoo economics where the top 5% continue to explode in wealth while the lower and middle class stagnate like they have for 30 years.

Again - no evidence: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/immigrants-arent-stealing-american-jobs/433158/

[Cr0w]

You need to start posting links to back up your insanely high figures. Regardless of your personal beliefs the jobs that illegals fill are jobs that citizens tend not to take. (This is what is meant by shrinking pool). I'm not going to debate you if all you can write is the same personal opinion with no facts even after I post articles that refute your opinion. Best of luck to you and your racist overlord.

Jobs that citizens "tend not to take", wtf kind of wording is that?

Anyone will take a job for the right dollar. When we have an infinite amount of lower class citicizens flooding our country and undercutting our legal minimum wage, it makes that dollar amount very small. If we didn't have a glut of people and having those people undercutting minimum wage, through supply and demand, wages naturally increase. And you avoid all the nasty effects of mandatory min wage increases.

Enjoy your voodoo economics where the top 5% continue to explode in wealth while the lower and middle class stagnate like they have for 30 years.

Again - no evidence: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/immigrants-arent-stealing-american-jobs/433158/

It's clear you have no original thought of your own and just take my positions and google a probably flawed article that caters to the viewpoint you already had.

It's not hard.

Watch.

http://cis.org/node/4573

At the individual level, excluding any costs for their children, the NRC estimated a net lifetime fiscal drain of -$89,000 (1996 dollars) for an immigrant without a high school diploma, and a net fiscal drain of -$31,000 for an immigrant with only a high school education. However, more educated immigrants create a lifetime net fiscal benefit of +$105,000.9

In other words, just what I argued. If we stop illegal immigration which are the immigrants that are putting a net average 89k cost on us we can bring in more educated immigrants which have shown to bring us a surplus of 100k. Yes please.

Illegal immigrants with little education are a significant fiscal drain, but less-educated immigrants who are legal residents are a much larger fiscal problem because they are eligible for many more programs. For this reason amnesty increases costs in the long run. Heritage's just-released study confirms the finding that amnesty would substantially increase costs over time.

Interesting. Even more of a reason Hillary's position is disastrous.

In conclusion, get some thoughts of your own.

[CharlesOakley]

Jobs that citizens "tend not to take", wtf kind of wording is that?

Anyone will take a job for the right dollar. When we have an infinite amount of lower class citicizens flooding our country and undercutting our legal minimum wage, it makes that dollar amount very small. If we didn't have a glut of people and having those people undercutting minimum wage, through supply and demand, wages naturally increase. And you avoid all the nasty effects of mandatory min wage increases.

Enjoy your voodoo economics where the top 5% continue to explode in wealth while the lower and middle class stagnate like they have for 30 years.

Again - no evidence: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/immigrants-arent-stealing-american-jobs/433158/

It's clear you have no original thought of your own and just take my positions and google a probably flawed article that caters to the viewpoint you already had.

It's not hard.

Watch.

http://cis.org/node/4573

At the individual level, excluding any costs for their children, the NRC estimated a net lifetime fiscal drain of -$89,000 (1996 dollars) for an immigrant without a high school diploma, and a net fiscal drain of -$31,000 for an immigrant with only a high school education. However, more educated immigrants create a lifetime net fiscal benefit of +$105,000.9

In other words, just what I argued. If we stop illegal immigration which are the immigrants that are putting a net average 89k cost per year on us we can bring in more educated immigrants which have shown to bring us a surplus of 100k. Yes please.

Illegal immigrants with little education are a significant fiscal drain, but less-educated immigrants who are legal residents are a much larger fiscal problem because they are eligible for many more programs. For this reason amnesty increases costs in the long run. Heritage's just-released study confirms the finding that amnesty would substantially increase costs over time.

Interesting. Even more of a reason Hillary's position is disastrous.

In conclusion, get some thoughts of your own.

Getting a little snarky? So you have referenced CIS and FAIR - two organizations created by John Tanton. Looks like he is right up your alley https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2008/john-tanton%E2%80%99s-private-papers-expose-more-20-years-hate He is a white nationalist who is pen pals with Holocaust deniers and Klan lawyers. He is also a fan of eugenics and forced sterilization. Forgive me if I don't take his propaganda seriously.

The senior policy analyst for CIS, Stephen Steinlight, has said that the US should ban Muslim immigration because "Muslims believe in things that are subversive to the Constitution" and that for President Barack Obama, "being hung, drawn and quartered is probably too good for him." These are the types of people who hold the same point of view as yourself.

Whether or not you think my viewpoint is my own is not important to me. I lived in Southern California for over two decades and have known and worked with many immigrants personally. An opinion that isn't backed by facts is a belief. You can construct any belief system you want but don't expect me to swallow your crap. You probably don't consider yourself a xenophobe but this is the only conclusion I can draw based on your completely unsubstantiated claims.

[Cr0w]

You're missing the point. I didn't even look up the source and I don't want to play that game.

It's beyond useless to have a position and put in your browser www.I'mRight.com, post the link and not be able to explain your positions with context.

This is why Trump is going to win. He actually has a core philosophy with practical solutions taking into account our systemic and non-systemic problems. He's giving a hand to lower and middle class America while you're droning on about how someone's a white nationalist who hates muslims or whatever.

I knew you had a personal stake in illegal immigration. Meanwhile I'm arguing from a position of what's best for Americans. You're emotional on the issue. You need to take a step back and take into account the people that are getting hurt by illegal immigration and who our government has a responsibility to first and foremost.

You are borderline treasonous in your allegiance to illegals before Americans.

[GONYK]

Trump dodging the debate with Bernie that he proposed is pretty disappointing. I would have loved to see that.

[Cr0w]

Networks should put pressure on Trump by calling his bluff now. If they want, they could do a little damage. Do they have the balls to put their money where their mouth is?

[CharlesOakley]

You're missing the point. I didn't even look up the source and I don't want to play that game.

It's beyond useless to have a position and put in your browser www.I'mRight.com, post the link and not be able to explain your positions with context.

This is why Trump is going to win. He actually has a core philosophy with practical solutions taking into account our systemic and non-systemic problems. He's giving a hand to lower and middle class America while you're droning on about how someone's a white nationalist who hates muslims or whatever.

I knew you had a personal stake in illegal immigration. Meanwhile I'm arguing from a position of what's best for Americans. You're emotional on the issue. You need to take a step back and take into account the people that are getting hurt by illegal immigration and who our government has a responsibility to first and foremost.

You are borderline treasonous in your allegiance to illegals before Americans.

I think you are missing the point. Trump claims he is going to build a multi-billion dollar wall and get Mexico to pay for it. He is going to round up all 11 million illegals and deport them. He is going to stop allowing "anchor babies" from becoming legal citizens, which entails changing the 14th amendment. He is going to ban all Muslims from entering the country. He wants to repeal same-sex marriage. He wants to repeal Obamacare. He wants to send U.S. ground troops to target oil-rich areas. And my favorite - he thinks climate change is a hoax.

If you seriously think these are practical solutions you are delusional. You would rather debate beliefs than facts. The facts are that Mexico will never pay for a wall and a wall won't prevent illegal immigration. 40% of undocumented immigrants come in on planes. The facts are you can't just invade oil rich countries without the world noticing and without breaking international treaties. The fact is you can't just wave a wand and round up 11 million people. The cost associated with finding, rounding up, holding and sending 11 million people to various parts of the world is astronomical. The fact is repealing laws is not something a President can do on his own. The fact is that the climate will continue to change whether Trump believes in it or not.

In order to make a compelling argument, you need to have evidence or facts to help prove your point. So far you have you have provided none. You make claims like, "people are getting hurt by illegal immigration" without a shred of proof. Least you forget, America is a country of immigrants. You want to gloss over the darker side of Trump and his supporters. His hatred of women, muslims, foreigners etc. is important. The fact that neo-nazis support him is important. The fact that he claims undocumented immigrants are criminals is important (and contrary to the facts).

Try again. Bring one fact that supports your claim or admit you'd rather be ignorant. It really doesn't matter to me.

[Cr0w]

You're missing the point. I didn't even look up the source and I don't want to play that game.

It's beyond useless to have a position and put in your browser www.I'mRight.com, post the link and not be able to explain your positions with context.

This is why Trump is going to win. He actually has a core philosophy with practical solutions taking into account our systemic and non-systemic problems. He's giving a hand to lower and middle class America while you're droning on about how someone's a white nationalist who hates muslims or whatever.

I knew you had a personal stake in illegal immigration. Meanwhile I'm arguing from a position of what's best for Americans. You're emotional on the issue. You need to take a step back and take into account the people that are getting hurt by illegal immigration and who our government has a responsibility to first and foremost.

You are borderline treasonous in your allegiance to illegals before Americans.

I think you are missing the point. Trump claims he is going to build a multi-billion dollar wall and get Mexico to pay for it. He is going to round up all 11 million illegals and deport them. He is going to stop allowing "anchor babies" from becoming legal citizens, which entails changing the 14th amendment. He is going to ban all Muslims from entering the country. He wants to repeal same-sex marriage. He wants to repeal Obamacare. He wants to send U.S. ground troops to target oil-rich areas. And my favorite - he thinks climate change is a hoax.

If you seriously think these are practical solutions you are delusional. You would rather debate beliefs than facts. The facts are that Mexico will never pay for a wall and a wall won't prevent illegal immigration. 40% of undocumented immigrants come in on planes. The facts are you can't just invade oil rich countries without the world noticing and without breaking international treaties. The fact is you can't just wave a wand and round up 11 million people. The cost associated with finding, rounding up, holding and sending 11 million people to various parts of the world is astronomical. The fact is repealing laws is not something a President can do on his own. The fact is that the climate will continue to change whether Trump believes in it or not.

In order to make a compelling argument, you need to have evidence or facts to help prove your point. So far you have you have provided none. You make claims like, "people are getting hurt by illegal immigration" without a shred of proof. Least you forget, America is a country of immigrants. You want to gloss over the darker side of Trump and his supporters. His hatred of women, muslims, foreigners etc. is important. The fact that neo-nazis support him is important. The fact that he claims undocumented immigrants are criminals is important (and contrary to the facts).

Try again. Bring one fact that supports your claim or admit you'd rather be ignorant. It really doesn't matter to me.

The thing you don't understand is that Trump is a businessman. Obama was a lawyer. His strategy was to straight up lie where he could get away with it. As a businessman Trump will have his major positions like illegal immigration and will use the wall as a starting point in negotiations. Trump is in position to carry out a lot of the things he says he will. Some of his other ideas might be reworked a little as he's said.

I really don't even need to click on a single website with statistics to tell you the effect of a surge of low class workers who undercut the minimum wage has on the jobs economy for the legal lower class. It's just common sense for anyone who's taken econ 101. Actually you don't even need to take an econ class to understand that relationship.

[knicksrbake]

You're missing the point. I didn't even look up the source and I don't want to play that game.

It's beyond useless to have a position and put in your browser www.I'mRight.com, post the link and not be able to explain your positions with context.

This is why Trump is going to win. He actually has a core philosophy with practical solutions taking into account our systemic and non-systemic problems. He's giving a hand to lower and middle class America while you're droning on about how someone's a white nationalist who hates muslims or whatever.

I knew you had a personal stake in illegal immigration. Meanwhile I'm arguing from a position of what's best for Americans. You're emotional on the issue. You need to take a step back and take into account the people that are getting hurt by illegal immigration and who our government has a responsibility to first and foremost.

You are borderline treasonous in your allegiance to illegals before Americans.

I think you are missing the point. Trump claims he is going to build a multi-billion dollar wall and get Mexico to pay for it. He is going to round up all 11 million illegals and deport them. He is going to stop allowing "anchor babies" from becoming legal citizens, which entails changing the 14th amendment. He is going to ban all Muslims from entering the country. He wants to repeal same-sex marriage. He wants to repeal Obamacare. He wants to send U.S. ground troops to target oil-rich areas. And my favorite - he thinks climate change is a hoax.

If you seriously think these are practical solutions you are delusional. You would rather debate beliefs than facts. The facts are that Mexico will never pay for a wall and a wall won't prevent illegal immigration. 40% of undocumented immigrants come in on planes. The facts are you can't just invade oil rich countries without the world noticing and without breaking international treaties. The fact is you can't just wave a wand and round up 11 million people. The cost associated with finding, rounding up, holding and sending 11 million people to various parts of the world is astronomical. The fact is repealing laws is not something a President can do on his own. The fact is that the climate will continue to change whether Trump believes in it or not.

In order to make a compelling argument, you need to have evidence or facts to help prove your point. So far you have you have provided none. You make claims like, "people are getting hurt by illegal immigration" without a shred of proof. Least you forget, America is a country of immigrants. You want to gloss over the darker side of Trump and his supporters. His hatred of women, muslims, foreigners etc. is important. The fact that neo-nazis support him is important. The fact that he claims undocumented immigrants are criminals is important (and contrary to the facts).

Try again. Bring one fact that supports your claim or admit you'd rather be ignorant. It really doesn't matter to me.

The 14th amendment was applied to slaves and those in the country legally. This is an issue that is currently being addressed in court, and the outcome will likely correct the issue: anchor babies are not citizens.

It's hilarious how all of those against Trump are against him from an emotional standpoint. Take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize that it's going to be Trump vs. Shillary, and you can either vote for someone who has a sound economic plan in place for revitalizing the lower and middle classes who have been getting shafted for the past who knows how long, or you could put a corporate puppet in office who has a history of being a compulsive liar and is a war criminal.

Open your eyes.

[Rasho Brezec]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQdxti8vTu0[/youtube]

[Cr0w]

An American First Energy Plan ~ May 26, 2016

Throughout this plan he first states more than a few different ways Obama and Hillary have purposely disregarded economic opportunities that would've been excellent for the United States and its citizens.