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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1141 » by IllmaticHandler » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:23 pm

Jabari Talent Wise was not a reach. He is a better player than Wiggins. The thing with this board, is that he would have been slept on, so you could have gotten him later. Wiggins is a more known player and he went close to 50. Jabari was a steal type of player. You supposed to steal him Later. If Parker was my Target. I would have picked Drummond, Then Trade down and acquire and asset with Parker along those lines.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1142 » by Smash3 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:23 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:
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Mecca wrote:Jabari's not a reach, lmao. Only to people that aren't tuned into the Bucks or not following the small market teams closely. Jabari is outplaying Melo/KP this year, one went 37/the other 21.

21 PPG / .50 from the floor / .417 from 3 without iso'ing with elite skill sets. I'll sip my tea to that. Now I know how ibraheim g


I´m pretty sure Parker like Wiggins would've been available by late 40s is what I´m saying.


I think he would have been as well, but trading down to take advantage of that and risking somebody else pulling the trigger on him wasn't your choice to make.

The key to these drafts are getting the most value for the player you want for the scheme you want to run. If you always went BPA, you will end up with a team that may not fit your initial vision, but more importantly, one that you hate. Part of this is the fun in building a team you'd like that watch.


Too each their own, personally I think taking those calculated risks makes the game more fun (it wasn´t even a risk tbh I´m 99% sure he would´ve been there). I agree that picking the players you like should always come first though because that´s what makes the whole process fun.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1143 » by Smash3 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:27 pm

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Smash3 wrote:I agree with Swiss, if we´re going to keep it as realistic as possible these things happen every season to teams. Championships and playoff berths are lost because of an injury to a key player. If you end up drafting a player who is out for the season I think there should be some compensation, but I don´t think we can just overlook the fact that a teams best player is currently not capable of playing basketball.


My thoughts...

Of course injuries happen every year and they always effect who wins and who loses. The difference though is that in the real NBA the teams have more to think about then a one year build. If Westbrook for instance gets a season ending injury next week, OKC's season is basically over. But the Thunder will move on and plan for next year. They will be compensated for the injury with a lottery pick in next year's draft and a chance to improve their team in the future.

Build a team is a one year only competition. If Westbrook gets hurt, the team that took him is completely ruined. There is no compensation, no future considerations, no way to compensate for the loss and that GM is punished for something completely beyond their control. They have no incentive to finish the game, they have no chance to win and the experience is ruined for them which hurts everyone in the game.

I do not think you can negatively judge a GM who drafted a healthy player who then gets hurt days or weeks later. Like I said before though, injury prone players or lack of durability in players should be looked at especially in the regular season rankings.


I see both arguments.. IMO I would chalk it up as bad luck and make the best out of it, but I can also see how it can make some posters tune out etc because it´s unfair.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1144 » by Smash3 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:27 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:Jabari Talent Wise was not a reach. He is a better player than Wiggins. The thing with this board, is that he would have been slept on, so you could have gotten him later. Wiggins is a more known player and he went close to 50. Jabari was a steal type of player. You supposed to steal him Later. If Parker was my Target. I would have picked Drummond, Then Trade down and acquire and asset with Parker along those lines.


This is pretty much what I was getting at.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1145 » by NewEra » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:36 pm

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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1146 » by Mecca » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:38 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:Jabari Talent Wise was not a reach. He is a better player than Wiggins. The thing with this board, is that he would have been slept on, so you could have gotten him later. Wiggins is a more known player and he went close to 50. Jabari was a steal type of player. You supposed to steal him Later. If Parker was my Target. I would have picked Drummond, Then Trade down and acquire and asset with Parker along those lines.

This is a good point and one that I agree with. I just didn't wanna do all that work and potentially be stuck with a player I don't value in Drummond.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1147 » by Mecca » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:41 pm

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swisscheeseD wrote:
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I´m pretty sure Parker like Wiggins would've been available by late 40s is what I´m saying.


I think he would have been as well, but trading down to take advantage of that and risking somebody else pulling the trigger on him wasn't your choice to make.

The key to these drafts are getting the most value for the player you want for the scheme you want to run. If you always went BPA, you will end up with a team that may not fit your initial vision, but more importantly, one that you hate. Part of this is the fun in building a team you'd like that watch.


Too each their own, personally I think taking those calculated risks makes the game more fun (it wasn´t even a risk tbh I´m 99% sure he would´ve been there). I agree that picking the players you like should always come first though because that´s what makes the whole process fun.

There's no way you can be 99.9 sure he'd still be available right now, i'm sorry. He's better than Melo who just went at 37 and was called a value pick. I went for fit over value. That's how you win in these games.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1148 » by swisscheeseD » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:44 pm

Mecca wrote:
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swisscheeseD wrote:
I think he would have been as well, but trading down to take advantage of that and risking somebody else pulling the trigger on him wasn't your choice to make.

The key to these drafts are getting the most value for the player you want for the scheme you want to run. If you always went BPA, you will end up with a team that may not fit your initial vision, but more importantly, one that you hate. Part of this is the fun in building a team you'd like that watch.


Too each their own, personally I think taking those calculated risks makes the game more fun (it wasn´t even a risk tbh I´m 99% sure he would´ve been there). I agree that picking the players you like should always come first though because that´s what makes the whole process fun.

There's no way you can be 99.9 sure he'd still be available right now, i'm sorry. He's better than Melo who just went at 37 and was called a value pick. I went for fit over value. That's how you win in these games.


Sorry Mecca...but Smash doesn't need a lesson on "how to win these games" from you.

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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1149 » by El Poochio » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:49 pm

Smash3 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Jabari Talent Wise was not a reach. He is a better player than Wiggins. The thing with this board, is that he would have been slept on, so you could have gotten him later. Wiggins is a more known player and he went close to 50. Jabari was a steal type of player. You supposed to steal him Later. If Parker was my Target. I would have picked Drummond, Then Trade down and acquire and asset with Parker along those lines.


This is pretty much what I was getting at.


But if Jabari is that good how do you know guy after you doesnt pick him and makes him untouchable for his own reasons? Lets say you picked Millsap despite wanting Jabari due to thinking Millsap is the BPA but the guy who drafts Jabari later doesnt want to deal him for Millsap or anyone else Millsap gonna get. You try to wait but he may get drafted right after you.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1150 » by Mecca » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:52 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:
Mecca wrote:
Smash3 wrote:
Too each their own, personally I think taking those calculated risks makes the game more fun (it wasn´t even a risk tbh I´m 99% sure he would´ve been there). I agree that picking the players you like should always come first though because that´s what makes the whole process fun.

There's no way you can be 99.9 sure he'd still be available right now, i'm sorry. He's better than Melo who just went at 37 and was called a value pick. I went for fit over value. That's how you win in these games.


Sorry Mecca...but Smash doesn't need a lesson on "how to win these games" from you.

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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1151 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:53 pm

El Poochio wrote:
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IllmaticHandler wrote:Jabari Talent Wise was not a reach. He is a better player than Wiggins. The thing with this board, is that he would have been slept on, so you could have gotten him later. Wiggins is a more known player and he went close to 50. Jabari was a steal type of player. You supposed to steal him Later. If Parker was my Target. I would have picked Drummond, Then Trade down and acquire and asset with Parker along those lines.


This is pretty much what I was getting at.


But if Jabari is that good how do you know guy after you doesnt pick him and makes him untouchable for his own reasons? Lets say you picked Millsap despite wanting Jabari due to thinking Millsap is the BPA but the guy who drafts Jabari later doesnt want to deal him for Millsap or anyone else Millsap gonna get. You try to wait but he may get drafted right after you.


Then you can use that same logic for Devin Booker..
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1152 » by Mecca » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:55 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
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This is pretty much what I was getting at.


But if Jabari is that good how do you know guy after you doesnt pick him and makes him untouchable for his own reasons? Lets say you picked Millsap despite wanting Jabari due to thinking Millsap is the BPA but the guy who drafts Jabari later doesnt want to deal him for Millsap or anyone else Millsap gonna get. You try to wait but he may get drafted right after you.


Then you can use that same logic for Devin Booker..



No because Booker's potential is what Klay already is, except Klay is a miles better defender and 3 point shooter, and he left Klay on the board for Booker. Jabari is in the same talent pool as Love/Melo and comes down to preference.

We can use this same logic for you drafting role players with your first two picks.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1153 » by Boarder Patrol » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:57 pm

Really happy to add Ibaka! Keeps the team young-ish but adds experience, two big men with some range, and a good interior D.

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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1154 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:57 pm

Mecca wrote:
bringbackhoffa wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
But if Jabari is that good how do you know guy after you doesnt pick him and makes him untouchable for his own reasons? Lets say you picked Millsap despite wanting Jabari due to thinking Millsap is the BPA but the guy who drafts Jabari later doesnt want to deal him for Millsap or anyone else Millsap gonna get. You try to wait but he may get drafted right after you.


Then you can use that same logic for Devin Booker..



No because Booker's potential is what Klay already is, except Klay is a miles better defender and 3 point shooter, and he left Klay on the board for Booker. Jabari is in the same talent pool as Love/Melo and comes down to preference.

We can use this same logic for you drafting role players with your first two picks.


Umm i traded down to get Draymond and secured additional assets (like a good GM would), and have been told by numerous others thats where they expected him to go. Also i have received 7 different offers for Draymond so worry about your own team, and I will worry about mine.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1155 » by swisscheeseD » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:01 pm

Draymond Green went exactly where he should have...but the onus is now on Hoffa to get himself the crunch time "go-to" scorer who can create his own shots down the stretch.
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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1156 » by IllmaticHandler » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:08 pm

Mecca wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Jabari Talent Wise was not a reach. He is a better player than Wiggins. The thing with this board, is that he would have been slept on, so you could have gotten him later. Wiggins is a more known player and he went close to 50. Jabari was a steal type of player. You supposed to steal him Later. If Parker was my Target. I would have picked Drummond, Then Trade down and acquire and asset with Parker along those lines.

This is a good point and one that I agree with. I just didn't wanna do all that work and potentially be stuck with a player I don't value in Drummond.



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Re: Build a Team 17.0 Rules and Discussion Thread 

Post#1157 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:09 pm

Boarder Patrol wrote:Really happy to add Ibaka! Keeps the team young-ish but adds experience, two big men with some range, and a good interior D.

Looking to trade up a bit - from around 80 to the 60s/early 70s. PM me if you guys are interested - willing to pay a premium.


Ibaka is having a re-emergence type of season for Orlando as sort of the primary guy. He was a good pick this late and a perfect fit with Towns. I would have considered him with my pick at 46 if I had not traded it away for Horford. Great pick man.
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Post#1158 » by BowlRips » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:09 pm

I would've picked Wade or Wiggins at my spot but I was secretly hoping they wouldn't be there so I can take a flyer
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Post#1159 » by br7knicks » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:11 pm

Wanted wade. Not sure if he was picked, but I grabbed Howard.

When it comes to injuries, they're going to happen. However, I picked chrs Paul before the injury so I shouldn't be penalized for that at all
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Post#1160 » by NewEra » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:12 pm

br7knicks wrote:Wanted wade. Not sure if he was picked, but I grabbed Howard.

When it comes to injuries, they're going to happen. However, I picked chrs Paul before the injury so I shouldn't be penalized for that at all


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