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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1141 » by mpharris36 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:28 am

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this aint a good look for flores case at least vs the Giants. I really didn't like the way the lawyers put him out there like that either based on a text (they had this all ready to go that day BB sent the text). He didn't seem comfortable. Seemed like lawyers trying to make money suing the big bad NFL.
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1142 » by GONYK » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:30 am

If people want a real example of circumventing the Rooney Rule, go look at what just happened in Buffalo.

The Bills interviewed two random black WR coaches IN THE SAME DAY then hired Dorsey the next morning.

If Flores wants his case to go somewhere meaningful, I hope he gets them involved.

But I think that also exposes a flaw in the rule. If the Bills want to promote their guy, why do they need to have the charade of interviews?
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1143 » by mpharris36 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:40 am

GONYK wrote:If people want a real example of circumventing the Rooney Rule, go look at what just happened in Buffalo.

The Bills interviewed two random black WR coaches IN THE SAME DAY then hired Dorsey the next morning.

If Flores wants his case to go somewhere meaningful, I hope he gets them involved.

But I think that also exposes a flaw in the rule. If the Bills want to promote their guy, why do they need to have the charade of interviews?


I said that exact thing to you early when people thought it might be a reason that Dorsey would get Giants OC job. I said those two candidates were so random that is the exact definition of a sham interview so they could just promote Dorsey.

I agree its not fair to Bills or those two WR coaches that they had to go through that charade just to check a box.

But then again we can't be the people answering those questions. Maybe those coaches feel those interviews even as non legit they are still are helpful getting the guys names out and getting them exposure to interviews they would have gotten without the rule...I would really like to ask some of them if they find it insulting or at least they feel they are getting interview experience so when they are really ready for a jump they have more experience with the process?
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1144 » by GONYK » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:49 am

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GONYK wrote:If people want a real example of circumventing the Rooney Rule, go look at what just happened in Buffalo.

The Bills interviewed two random black WR coaches IN THE SAME DAY then hired Dorsey the next morning.

If Flores wants his case to go somewhere meaningful, I hope he gets them involved.

But I think that also exposes a flaw in the rule. If the Bills want to promote their guy, why do they need to have the charade of interviews?


I said that exact thing to you early when people thought it might be a reason that Dorsey would get Giants OC job. I said those two candidates were so random that is the exact definition of a sham interview so they could just promote Dorsey.

I agree its not fair to Bills or those two WR coaches that they had to go through that charade just to check a box.

But then again we can't be the people answering those questions. Maybe those coaches feel those interviews even as non legit they are still are helpful getting the guys names out and getting them exposure to interviews they would have gotten without the rule...I would really like to ask some of them if they find it insulting or at least they feel they are getting interview experience so when they are really ready for a jump they have more experience with the process?


I agree with you. These guys will be able to say that they are viewed around the league as potential OCs in future cycles. Might even help them negotiate with their current teams. What is that worth to them? What weight does that actually carry in this circumstance?

I don't know and it probably varies from coach to coach. The more established you are, the more insulting it is I'd imagine.
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1145 » by F N 11 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:04 am

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wow :o

this aint a good look for flores case at least vs the Giants. I really didn't like the way the lawyers put him out there like that either based on a text (they had this all ready to go that day BB sent the text). He didn't seem comfortable. Seemed like lawyers trying to make money suing the big bad NFL.


I didn’t like the victim mindset from jump. I bet Mara wanted Flores and Shoen helped us dodge a bullet. Flores don’t seem comfortable Like he’s really into it for the cause. First day of black history month he’s breaking news on on TV the next day. I hope he has real proof. The whole thing just feels forced in my opinion.
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1146 » by mpharris36 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:09 am

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mpharris36 wrote:
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wow :o

this aint a good look for flores case at least vs the Giants. I really didn't like the way the lawyers put him out there like that either based on a text (they had this all ready to go that day BB sent the text). He didn't seem comfortable. Seemed like lawyers trying to make money suing the big bad NFL.


I didn’t like the victim mindset from jump. I bet Mara wanted Flores and Shoen helped us dodge a bullet. Flores don’t seem comfortable Like he’s really into it for the cause. First day of black history month he’s breaking news on on TV the next day. I hope he has real proof. The whole thing just feels forced in my opinion.


He's now saying BB was an insider that told the giants to pick Daboll over him...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/03/brian-flores-claims-giants-decision-to-hire-brian-daboll-was-made-with-bill-belichicks-influence/

He's going down a road of no return...
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1147 » by F N 11 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:11 am

mpharris36 wrote:
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wow :o

this aint a good look for flores case at least vs the Giants. I really didn't like the way the lawyers put him out there like that either based on a text (they had this all ready to go that day BB sent the text). He didn't seem comfortable. Seemed like lawyers trying to make money suing the big bad NFL.


I didn’t like the victim mindset from jump. I bet Mara wanted Flores and Shoen helped us dodge a bullet. Flores don’t seem comfortable Like he’s really into it for the cause. First day of black history month he’s breaking news on on TV the next day. I hope he has real proof. The whole thing just feels forced in my opinion.


He's now saying BB was an insider that told the giants to pick Daboll over him...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/03/brian-flores-claims-giants-decision-to-hire-brian-daboll-was-made-with-bill-belichicks-influence/

He's going down a road of no return...


Bringing Bill into this will not end well. The guy hates drama and attention.
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1148 » by mpharris36 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:14 am

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I didn’t like the victim mindset from jump. I bet Mara wanted Flores and Shoen helped us dodge a bullet. Flores don’t seem comfortable Like he’s really into it for the cause. First day of black history month he’s breaking news on on TV the next day. I hope he has real proof. The whole thing just feels forced in my opinion.


He's now saying BB was an insider that told the giants to pick Daboll over him...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/03/brian-flores-claims-giants-decision-to-hire-brian-daboll-was-made-with-bill-belichicks-influence/

He's going down a road of no return...


Bringing Bill into this will not end well. The guy hates drama and attention.


He's also now changing the story 48 hours it came out. He originally said he believed BB just sent an innocent text by accident. Now he is sort of blaming him as part of the NFL problem that they have favorites.
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1149 » by TerrenceClarke » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:24 am

This was obvious. All the Giants had to do was deny and write a good statement it and it would be proof enough. Was people expecting them to admit to anything wrong... I sure didn't.

Every single owner or FO everywhere has basically said Flores is a Liar and is making everything up. Any blackman that would have made these explosive claims would have the same response. It really has nothing to do with Flores really.

Now the next stage which was also obvious, is that Flores will now be the villain and dismissed because it has simply been "denied" that what he said happened.... happened. I see all the vile against him as we speak everywhere. People hoping bad things happen to him all types of ****.


I have seen how this story plays out in to many aspects of life.


Salute to Flores. I still stand witcha Bruh.
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Post#1150 » by F N 11 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:28 am

TerrenceClarke wrote:This was obvious. All the Giants had to do was deny and write a good statement it and it would be proof enough. Was people expecting them to admit to anything wrong... I sure didn't.

Every single owner or FO everywhere has basically said Flores is a Liar and is making everything up. Any blackman that would have made these explosive claims would have the same response. It really has nothing to do with Flores really.

Now the next stage which was also obvious, is that Flores will be now be the villain and dismissed because it has been simply been "denied" that what he said happened happened.


I have seen how this story plays out in to many aspects of life.


Salute to Flores. I still stand witcha Bruh.


I hope you not playing the victim card man. If he has proof, take it to court and prove your case. However if Bills text is his main form of proof that’s a bad look. Bill is not even a Giant and could of mainly been going off of sources. For his case, I hope he’s not embarrassed to further put a stigma on black people. He made some serious allegations, this is not going to end well.
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1151 » by Da_Mane_Man » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:32 am

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being able to get OT/DE/OG ... three day 1 starters, would be great.


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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1152 » by TerrenceClarke » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:32 am

F N 11 wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:This was obvious. All the Giants had to do was deny and write a good statement it and it would be proof enough. Was people expecting them to admit to anything wrong... I sure didn't.

Every single owner or FO everywhere has basically said Flores is a Liar and is making everything up. Any blackman that would have made these explosive claims would have the same response. It really has nothing to do with Flores really.

Now the next stage which was also obvious, is that Flores will be now be the villain and dismissed because it has been simply been "denied" that what he said happened happened.


I have seen how this story plays out in to many aspects of life.


Salute to Flores. I still stand witcha Bruh.


I hope you not playing the victim card man. If he has proof, take it to court and prove your case. However if Bills text is his main form of proof that’s a bad look. Bill is not even a Giant and could of mainly been going off of sources. For his case, I hope he’s not embarrassed to further put a stigma on black people. He made some serious allegations, this is not going to end well.


Niiiigggga **** a victim. The Victim is the person who keeps they mouth shut when they see something. Thats the Victim. Not the man that stands up for a cause bigger than him.

Only black person I seen in this thread going against flores and dismissing him like he a clown for this. I honestly dont give a fuccccck about anything you have to say personally. You mad Sus.
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1153 » by GONYK » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:34 am

mpharris36 wrote:
F N 11 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
He's now saying BB was an insider that told the giants to pick Daboll over him...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/03/brian-flores-claims-giants-decision-to-hire-brian-daboll-was-made-with-bill-belichicks-influence/

He's going down a road of no return...


Bringing Bill into this will not end well. The guy hates drama and attention.


He's also now changing the story 48 hours it came out. He originally said he believed BB just sent an innocent text by accident. Now he is sort of blaming him as part of the NFL problem that they have favorites.
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1154 » by F N 11 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:46 am

TerrenceClarke wrote:
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TerrenceClarke wrote:This was obvious. All the Giants had to do was deny and write a good statement it and it would be proof enough. Was people expecting them to admit to anything wrong... I sure didn't.

Every single owner or FO everywhere has basically said Flores is a Liar and is making everything up. Any blackman that would have made these explosive claims would have the same response. It really has nothing to do with Flores really.

Now the next stage which was also obvious, is that Flores will be now be the villain and dismissed because it has been simply been "denied" that what he said happened happened.


I have seen how this story plays out in to many aspects of life.


Salute to Flores. I still stand witcha Bruh.


I hope you not playing the victim card man. If he has proof, take it to court and prove your case. However if Bills text is his main form of proof that’s a bad look. Bill is not even a Giant and could of mainly been going off of sources. For his case, I hope he’s not embarrassed to further put a stigma on black people. He made some serious allegations, this is not going to end well.


Niiiigggga **** a victim. The Victim is the person who keeps they mouth shut when they see something. Thats the Victim. Not the man that stands up for a cause bigger than him.

Only black person I seen in this thread going against flores and dismissing him like he a clown for this. I honestly dont give a fuccccck about anything you have to say personally. You mad Sus.


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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1155 » by 2010 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:46 am

People be more mad at the person fighting the system, than the system itself. How many times have I seen this movie?
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Re: OT: Official Giants Thread 

Post#1156 » by mpharris36 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:53 am

2010 wrote:People be more mad at the person fighting the system, than the system itself. How many times have I seen this movie?



You know me.

I personally don't have an issue with him filing his suit because its very likely he has been discriminated against in the NFL as I'm sure many black coaches have been. I have also said in this thread 1 black coach currently in the NFL is ridiculous and there are a lot of changes I would like to see.

I am just speaking about this process with the Giants. Nothing else. Based on the facts I have seen thus far I believe the Giants interview process was legit. I do not think they were just meeting a quota with Flores. Mara from all accounts wanted Flores and it took Schoen getting his way to pick his own guy that swayed the decision in Daboll favor.

I have major issues with the Rooney Rule and the lack of results it has provided minority candidates.
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But Byron would've been such a feel-good story, and with the way we've conducted this whole thing, I can't help but be kinda sad about it

Plus, Baalke's still around, so that sours everything.
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