2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[Fat]

Wiseman is like a mystery pick

In college he took (one) three point shot in the 3 games and missed that one. The Majority of his damage came from under the Rim

stats In each situation

1/2 on catch shoot
11/13 around the rim
3/5 in post up situations

Very small sample size but off that sample size that sounds more so like an around the rim big man. Maybe his shot is legit maybe it isn’t we don’t know I can see him taking and making some low volume 3”s in the future with the midrange being his bread and butter..

Defensively he looked most comfortable defending at the rim vs out on the perimeter. This is one area I feel Mitchell has an advantage over wiseman his mobility defending the perimeter.

[DOT]

It's not meaningless, he's a top 5 pick in spite of only playing 3 games, and had other guys been judged by 3 games the same exact arguments going against Wiseman would be used in here now.

And those would have been valid arguments at the time

I don't think you understand that saying "he didn't show much outside of rim running in 3 games" is not the same as "he didn't show much, therefore he doesn't have the skills and never will"

Y'all are so sensitive over someone we won't even be in a position to draft.

Because anyone being objective can just look at those 3 games and see flashes of things that rim runners don't do, but this has turned from analyzing James as a prospect into defending Mitch by poking holes James skillset which is obviously more advanced than Mitch. It's not about James as much as it is "We got Mitch, why do we need James" and if you can't see the difference between the two of them then I really don't know what to say.

We're interested in him, the Knicks sound like they may actually try to get him, so I don't see any reason not to discuss his merits, especially since I see him as the best possible pick for us.

Yes. Flashes.

Not enough to say he won't just be a rim runner, but y'all talk about him like he was consistently hitting post shots and taking guys off the dribble. Anyone objective would agree that he might have the skill, but he also might not cause we haven't seen enough.

[thebuzzardman]

I wish Mitch got in 3 NCAA games, raised his stock and then the Knicks never drafted his rim running ass.

There.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

nope. i specifically didn't say giannis. i said randle or pascal who both have shaky at best handles. or that a best case scenario was young amare. it's more in the realm of possibility that mitch could catch the ball and take 2 or 3 dribbles before he reaches the basket than a guy who mostly dunked in college can become mostly a 3 point shooter. but do you.

Thank you for clearing that up, you only meant young Amare, the guy who averaged 26ppg at Mitch's age.

we're talking about the way they play, not the amounts of points at whatever age. my comparison is about mitch being able to dribble a little eventually to create for himself and yours is a guy who made 3 jump shots becoming mostly a jump shooter. but like i said, do you. with every day it gets better. he's gonna be a 7 foot kobe next.

If Mitch doesn't become Pascal Siakam I will never let you live this down

Who said 7 foot Kobe? I've said I'd be happy with James developing into a more athletic & better defending Nikola Vucevic.

[god shammgod]

And for the record, I do like the Mitch Rim Runner topics for their potential to upset Shammgod.

it doesn't even bother me though because it's just too constant. you can't be that annoyed if you hear something every day. i honestly try to not even talk about mitch anymore but it's all anyone seems to want to talk about so i keep getting sucked in.

[3toheadmelo]

I have been following Wiseman since his HS days even during the time we were discussing the 2019 draft.

It is probably debatable who between 3toheadmelo or me liked Wiseman first. Even 3toheadmelo will attest to this.

Yep. So when people use the 3 game argument against us, it doesn’t work. Cause we been watching him since way before his college stint.

Since we're going on HS ability, it RJ Hampton still in the top 4 then?

I’m using 2 years years of footage including college to judge Wiseman while you’re just using 3 games. It’s a big difference.

[thebuzzardman]

Thank you for clearing that up, you only meant young Amare, the guy who averaged 26ppg at Mitch's age.

we're talking about the way they play, not the amounts of points at whatever age. my comparison is about mitch being able to dribble a little eventually to create for himself and yours is a guy who made 3 jump shots becoming mostly a jump shooter. but like i said, do you. with every day it gets better. he's gonna be a 7 foot kobe next.

If Mitch doesn't become Pascal Siakam I will never let you live this down

Who said 7 foot Kobe? I've said I'd be happy with James developing into a more athletic & better defending Nikola Vucevic.

Mitch is going to be more athletic Roy Tarpley minus all the cocaine and alcohol

[3toheadmelo]

And those would have been valid arguments at the time

I don't think you understand that saying "he didn't show much outside of rim running in 3 games" is not the same as "he didn't show much, therefore he doesn't have the skills and never will"

Y'all are so sensitive over someone we won't even be in a position to draft.

I mean us liking wiseman seems to be upsetting you more than everyone here lol. But we’re sensitive.. ok

Well yeah. You are.

Sure you can believe that if it helps you sleep better at night.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

And those would have been valid arguments at the time

I don't think you understand that saying "he didn't show much outside of rim running in 3 games" is not the same as "he didn't show much, therefore he doesn't have the skills and never will"

Y'all are so sensitive over someone we won't even be in a position to draft.

Because anyone being objective can just look at those 3 games and see flashes of things that rim runners don't do, but this has turned from analyzing James as a prospect into defending Mitch by poking holes James skillset which is obviously more advanced than Mitch. It's not about James as much as it is "We got Mitch, why do we need James" and if you can't see the difference between the two of them then I really don't know what to say.

We're interested in him, the Knicks sound like they may actually try to get him, so I don't see any reason not to discuss his merits, especially since I see him as the best possible pick for us.

Yes. Flashes.

Not enough to say he won't just be a rim runner, but y'all talk about him like he was consistently hitting post shots and taking guys off the dribble. Anyone objective would agree that he might have the skill, but he also might not cause we haven't seen enough.

This is where we differ, you can look at his form and see it's mechanically sound.

He's going to be a pick and pop threat off the screen pretty quickly, not threes, but he should be a solid shooter from 16 feet and in and a release valve for the ball handler.

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[thebuzzardman]

Yep. So when people use the 3 game argument against us, it doesn’t work. Cause we been watching him since way before his college stint.

Since we're going on HS ability, it RJ Hampton still in the top 4 then?

I’m using 2 years years of footage including college to judge Wiseman while you’re just using 3 games. It’s a big difference.

In this case I was saying to compare HS careers and discard the 3 games

[thebuzzardman]

And for the record, I do like the Mitch Rim Runner topics for their potential to upset Shammgod.

it doesn't even bother me though because it's just too constant. you can't be that annoyed if you hear something every day. i honestly try to not even talk about mitch anymore but it's all anyone seems to want to talk about so i keep getting sucked in.

[DOT]

Because anyone being objective can just look at those 3 games and see flashes of things that rim runners don't do, but this has turned from analyzing James as a prospect into defending Mitch by poking holes James skillset which is obviously more advanced than Mitch. It's not about James as much as it is "We got Mitch, why do we need James" and if you can't see the difference between the two of them then I really don't know what to say.

We're interested in him, the Knicks sound like they may actually try to get him, so I don't see any reason not to discuss his merits, especially since I see him as the best possible pick for us.

Yes. Flashes.

Not enough to say he won't just be a rim runner, but y'all talk about him like he was consistently hitting post shots and taking guys off the dribble. Anyone objective would agree that he might have the skill, but he also might not cause we haven't seen enough.

This is where we differ, you can look at his form and see it's mechanically sound.

He's going to be a pick and pop threat off the screen pretty quickly, not threes, but he should be a solid shooter from 16 feet and in and a release valve for the ball handler.

You're still arguing different points from me

I'm not talking about how his form looks. I'm only talking about what we've seen of him in game, which is next to nothing outside of around the rim

Again, because I feel you miss this point, he could very well have it, we just don't know cause he hasn't shown it. Again, he could have more to his game than just rim running, but he hasn't shown it in game. That's literally all I'm saying, but y'all can't even handle that much. It's just objective fact that he showed very little in game. Anyone being objective could tell you that.

[god shammgod]

Yes. Flashes.

Not enough to say he won't just be a rim runner, but y'all talk about him like he was consistently hitting post shots and taking guys off the dribble. Anyone objective would agree that he might have the skill, but he also might not cause we haven't seen enough.

This is where we differ, you can look at his form and see it's mechanically sound.

He's going to be a pick and pop threat off the screen pretty quickly, not threes, but he should be a solid shooter from 16 feet and in and a release valve for the ball handler.

You're still arguing different points from me

I'm not talking about how his form looks. I'm only talking about what we've seen of him in game, which is next to nothing outside of around the rim

Again, because I feel you miss this point, he could very well have it, we just don't know cause he hasn't shown it. Again, he could have more to his game than just rim running, but he hasn't shown it in game. That's literally all I'm saying, but y'all can't even handle that much. It's just objective fact that he showed very little in game. Anyone being objective could tell you that.

just post the highlights of one of his college games. it's mostly dunks. and against short people.

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[god shammgod]

this was already known. we talked to him.....before the draft.

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A sure sign the Knicks won't be drafting him.