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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1141 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:09 pm

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bleedblue3303 wrote:Keep asking myself, if we refuse to rebuild, which is the unfortunate truth. Is there any way to have a backcourt of Shai and Anfrenee Simons? Portland can use Randle if they are not going to retain Simons maybe throw in IQ. OKC is not on Shai timeline. So how many draft picks would that take to get him.

We should talk Simons for Randle into existence. Shai is a pipe dream, but Simons, RJ, Cam, Obi, Mitch… man that sounds great. Too good to be true actually - a real identity.


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Post#1142 » by DaGawd » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:24 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:Keep asking myself, if we refuse to rebuild, which is the unfortunate truth. Is there any way to have a backcourt of Shai and Anfrenee Simons? Portland can use Randle if they are not going to retain Simons maybe throw in IQ. OKC is not on Shai timeline. So how many draft picks would that take to get him.

We should talk Simons for Randle into existence. Shai is a pipe dream, but Simons, RJ, Cam, Obi, Mitch… man that sounds great. Too good to be true actually - a real identity.

I struggle to see Portland’s reasoning for trading Simons.. I think CJ is the more likely guy traded
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1143 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:33 pm

DaGawd wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:Keep asking myself, if we refuse to rebuild, which is the unfortunate truth. Is there any way to have a backcourt of Shai and Anfrenee Simons? Portland can use Randle if they are not going to retain Simons maybe throw in IQ. OKC is not on Shai timeline. So how many draft picks would that take to get him.

We should talk Simons for Randle into existence. Shai is a pipe dream, but Simons, RJ, Cam, Obi, Mitch… man that sounds great. Too good to be true actually - a real identity.

I struggle to see Portland’s reasoning for trading Simons.. I think CJ is the more likely guy traded


Simons is their future. They developed this cat for - what? - the last 3 years and now that he’s flourishing, they’ll just give him to us for some unproven talent? Ugh.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1144 » by Lord Commander » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:44 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:New rumor is that Cam Reddish wants out of NY.


Seriously? Link?


Nooo, he hasn’t even played a game yet. Just a joke given how bad we’ve been playing.


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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1145 » by Richard4444 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:44 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:We should talk Simons for Randle into existence. Shai is a pipe dream, but Simons, RJ, Cam, Obi, Mitch… man that sounds great. Too good to be true actually - a real identity.

I struggle to see Portland’s reasoning for trading Simons.. I think CJ is the more likely guy traded


Simons is their future. They developed this cat for - what? - the last 3 years and now that he’s flourishing, they’ll just give him to us for some unproven talent? Ugh.


The issue is to have Simons and Lillard in the same team. He is even smaller than CJ. If the goal is to build a more competitive starting unit, repeating the mistake of pairing 2 small guards is not the best path.

The better move would be trading Lillard who is already getting washed and is due to a supermax extension (the roster is not qualified to compete even with a superstar Lillard and will be pretty more expensive in the next season). Getting a haul from the Sixers and rebuilding around Simons, Simmons, and Little is the better approach.

But if they hold Lillard, they could trade Simons for a star or assets to be used to get another star. They can trade CJ as well and promote Powell as the starting SG.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1146 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:35 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
DaGawd wrote:I struggle to see Portland’s reasoning for trading Simons.. I think CJ is the more likely guy traded


Simons is their future. They developed this cat for - what? - the last 3 years and now that he’s flourishing, they’ll just give him to us for some unproven talent? Ugh.


The issue is to have Simons and Lillard in the same team. He is even smaller than CJ. If the goal is to build a more competitive starting unit, repeating the mistake of pairing 2 small guards is not the best path.

The better move would be trading Lillard who is already getting washed and is due to a supermax extension (the roster is not qualified to compete even with a superstar Lillard and will be pretty more expensive in the next season). Getting a haul from the Sixers and rebuilding around Simons, Simmons, and Little is the better approach.

But if they hold Lillard, they could trade Simons for a star or assets to be used to get another star. They can trade CJ as well and promote Powell as the starting SG.


Portland seems to be going nowhere with Dame and CJ. I think the smarter move would be to trade them and rebuild around Simons and whatever young talent they have.

But I defer to Capn’O on all things Portland related.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1147 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:37 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
Lord Commander wrote:
Seriously? Link?


Nooo, he hasn’t even played a game yet. Just a joke given how bad we’ve been playing.


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So it wouldn’t have surprised you if it was true? :lol: I feel you.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1148 » by bleedblue3303 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:38 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:We should talk Simons for Randle into existence. Shai is a pipe dream, but Simons, RJ, Cam, Obi, Mitch… man that sounds great. Too good to be true actually - a real identity.

I struggle to see Portland’s reasoning for trading Simons.. I think CJ is the more likely guy traded


Simons is their future. They developed this cat for - what? - the last 3 years and now that he’s flourishing, they’ll just give him to us for some unproven talent? Ugh.


Was thinking more along the lines of he's in the last year of his contract. He's restricted but are they willing to spend the money necessary to sign him? I know one team that isn't worried about money. The Knicks.

Randle would fit amazingly with that team. Also has a strong leader in Dame so he will know his role.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1149 » by Lord Commander » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:09 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Lord Commander wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Nooo, he hasn’t even played a game yet. Just a joke given how bad we’ve been playing.


Gotcha. I take everything seriously with this team. :-?


So it wouldn’t have surprised you if it was true? :lol: I feel you.


I didn’t even flinch when I read it. :D
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1150 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:32 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:We should talk Simons for Randle into existence. Shai is a pipe dream, but Simons, RJ, Cam, Obi, Mitch… man that sounds great. Too good to be true actually - a real identity.

I struggle to see Portland’s reasoning for trading Simons.. I think CJ is the more likely guy traded


Simons is their future. They developed this cat for - what? - the last 3 years and now that he’s flourishing, they’ll just give him to us for some unproven talent? Ugh.

Nance, Simons fillers for Randle and IQ. Why wouldn’t they if they keep Dame?

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Post#1151 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:35 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Simons is their future. They developed this cat for - what? - the last 3 years and now that he’s flourishing, they’ll just give him to us for some unproven talent? Ugh.


The issue is to have Simons and Lillard in the same team. He is even smaller than CJ. If the goal is to build a more competitive starting unit, repeating the mistake of pairing 2 small guards is not the best path.

The better move would be trading Lillard who is already getting washed and is due to a supermax extension (the roster is not qualified to compete even with a superstar Lillard and will be pretty more expensive in the next season). Getting a haul from the Sixers and rebuilding around Simons, Simmons, and Little is the better approach.

But if they hold Lillard, they could trade Simons for a star or assets to be used to get another star. They can trade CJ as well and promote Powell as the starting SG.


Portland seems to be going nowhere with Dame and CJ. I think the smarter move would be to trade them and rebuild around Simons and whatever young talent they have.

But I defer to Capn’O on all things Portland related.

Again:

Dame, CJ, Covington, Randle, Nurkic

That’s a contender.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1152 » by DaGawd » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:42 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
The issue is to have Simons and Lillard in the same team. He is even smaller than CJ. If the goal is to build a more competitive starting unit, repeating the mistake of pairing 2 small guards is not the best path.

The better move would be trading Lillard who is already getting washed and is due to a supermax extension (the roster is not qualified to compete even with a superstar Lillard and will be pretty more expensive in the next season). Getting a haul from the Sixers and rebuilding around Simons, Simmons, and Little is the better approach.

But if they hold Lillard, they could trade Simons for a star or assets to be used to get another star. They can trade CJ as well and promote Powell as the starting SG.


Portland seems to be going nowhere with Dame and CJ. I think the smarter move would be to trade them and rebuild around Simons and whatever young talent they have.

But I defer to Capn’O on all things Portland related.

Again:

Dame, CJ, Covington, Randle, Nurkic

That’s a contender.

It’s not… but nice try convincing them that
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1153 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:18 pm

DaGawd wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Portland seems to be going nowhere with Dame and CJ. I think the smarter move would be to trade them and rebuild around Simons and whatever young talent they have.

But I defer to Capn’O on all things Portland related.

Again:

Dame, CJ, Covington, Randle, Nurkic

That’s a contender.

It’s not… but nice try convincing them that

It is clearly a contender. What are you talking about?
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Post#1154 » by DaGawd » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:22 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:Again:

Dame, CJ, Covington, Randle, Nurkic

That’s a contender.

It’s not… but nice try convincing them that

It is clearly a contender. What are you talking about?

Let’s see.. only real defender in that lineup still is RoCo.. backcourt still too small with skill overlap, Randle shooting a career worst from 3 so paint is clogged between he and Nurkic.. the most this trade does is get them from 10th seed to 7th seed and still playin tournament eligible.. this is not a contender
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Post#1155 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:36 pm

DaGawd wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
DaGawd wrote:It’s not… but nice try convincing them that

It is clearly a contender. What are you talking about?

Let’s see.. only real defender in that lineup still is RoCo.. backcourt still too small with skill overlap, Randle shooting a career worst from 3 so paint is clogged between he and Nurkic.. the most this trade does is get them from 10th seed to 7th seed and still playin tournament eligible.. this is not a contender

Okay let’s see:

Four out with the beast of beasts down low
Four beatdown 1vs1 scorers
Last year’s second leading scorer
Three current all stars and an all NBA defender on the wing
A bench with Powell, little, IQ, Zeller, Snell

You’re obviously blinded by the moment which doesn’t surprise me on this board anymore. I’ve seen that with Siakam, Derozan, Cole Anthony, he’ll even Booker and Tatum and so many more. It’s actually really shameful. People can’t see talent if the narrative doesn’t support them.

Portland would have absolutely legit talent 1-6 after that trade. There’s no way they don’t hang with Phoenix or Denver or whoever else in the West. No offense, I find that take totally ridiculous. I know you’ll still find that offensive, but I’m strictly addressing that notion.
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Post#1156 » by DaGawd » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:37 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:It is clearly a contender. What are you talking about?

Let’s see.. only real defender in that lineup still is RoCo.. backcourt still too small with skill overlap, Randle shooting a career worst from 3 so paint is clogged between he and Nurkic.. the most this trade does is get them from 10th seed to 7th seed and still playin tournament eligible.. this is not a contender

Okay let’s see:

Four out with the beast of beasts down low
Four beatdown 1vs1 scorers
Last year’s second leading scorer
Three current all stars and an all NBA defender on the wing
A bench with Powell, little, IQ, Zeller, Snell

You’re obviously blinded by the moment which doesn’t surprise me on this board anymore. I’ve seen that with Siakam, Derozan, Cole Anthony, he’ll even Booker and Tatum and so many more. It’s actually really shameful. People can’t see talent if the narrative doesn’t support them.

Portland would have absolutely legit talent 1-6 after that trade. There’s no way they don’t hang with Phoenix or Denver or whoever else in the West. No offense, I find that take totally ridiculous. I know you’ll still find that offensive, but I’m strictly addressing that notion.

Lol that team ain’t a contender man but I’ll let you believe it
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1157 » by dukeknicksirish » Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:02 pm

Randle is from Texas. San Antonio is in Texas. Primo is their future. They have a lot of PG’s. We lack a true PG. They need a primary scorer.

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Post#1158 » by Jose7 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:10 pm

stop with your bullshyt.

we hav no combination of assets that could EVER land a budding star point guard like Murray.

TO get that you have to draft and develop. GIVE your young players a chance.Something this franchise is ALLERGIC to since charlie ward.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1159 » by sogood » Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:39 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
The issue is to have Simons and Lillard in the same team. He is even smaller than CJ. If the goal is to build a more competitive starting unit, repeating the mistake of pairing 2 small guards is not the best path.

The better move would be trading Lillard who is already getting washed and is due to a supermax extension (the roster is not qualified to compete even with a superstar Lillard and will be pretty more expensive in the next season). Getting a haul from the Sixers and rebuilding around Simons, Simmons, and Little is the better approach.

But if they hold Lillard, they could trade Simons for a star or assets to be used to get another star. They can trade CJ as well and promote Powell as the starting SG.


Portland seems to be going nowhere with Dame and CJ. I think the smarter move would be to trade them and rebuild around Simons and whatever young talent they have.

But I defer to Capn’O on all things Portland related.

Again:

Dame, CJ, Covington, Randle, Nurkic

That’s a contender.


Contending for the 7th seed.
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Post#1160 » by snadler » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:10 pm

Randle is an awful player right now and all Knicks fans know it, so explain why another team is going to trade good young talent for him when they see the same exact things we see, a change of scenery isn’t enough to convince teams to take a shot at Randle..his value has never been lower..

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