The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[2010]

Some of y'all gonna be this patient waiting for Frank to prove good:

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[thebuzzardman]

Patty can get buckets. Frank probably to big to be chasing him around screens. Nice to see the little scoring outburst tho

I'm used to it on offense but now people making excuses for Frank ON DEFENSE?

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His size on defense has always been touted as a strength, not a weakness. Which is why almost everyone has suggested he should play PG and guard the opposing point to disrupt the other team's offense.

Yeah, but even good defenders are going to have types of players who do better against them. At that point it becomes their ability to play smart and in a good defensive scheme. So, at times Frank funneled Patty to Gobert etc. Other times, Patty got the bucket. It happens. Players shoot around 45%, so they'll make shots half the time.

I dunno. I think his defense it still well above average.

[thebuzzardman]

Some of y'all gonna be this patient waiting for Frank to prove good:

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I like players that play the right way. They need to have talent as well.

I try to separate out the fact that young guys, 19 years old, will need time to get there, but not all of them will.

I've kind of moved on to RJ and Iggy, as they play the right way, but with a higher talent level.

I liked Ron Baker, for his approach, but he always needed to be a little taller and more athletic, and for his pro shot to tall like his college shot. To me, that's Iggy. Well, Iggy's got some of that Trier attitude too. Even better.

RJ will know will get minutes no matter what. Hopefully Iggy will too.

[Kampuchea]

Some of y'all gonna be this patient waiting for Frank to prove good:

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Countdown until Buzzard responds to this by mentioning he changed his avatar to Iggy from Frank.

5...4...3.......

[Nazrmohamed]

Patty can get buckets. Frank probably to big to be chasing him around screens. Nice to see the little scoring outburst tho

I'm used to it on offense but now people making excuses for Frank ON DEFENSE?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

His size on defense has always been touted as a strength, not a weakness. Which is why almost everyone has suggested he should play PG and guard the opposing point to disrupt the other team's offense.

Yeah, but even good defenders are going to have types of players who do better against them. At that point it becomes their ability to play smart and in a good defensive scheme. So, at times Frank funneled Patty to Gobert etc. Other times, Patty got the bucket. It happens. Players shoot around 45%, so they'll make shots half the time.

I dunno. I think his defense it still well above average.

And it is for sure. Do guys known as great offensive players **** the bed on occasion? And if said player is a bad defensive player do we give it this much attention? No. But in any case that's the position you find yourself in when you dont score. You then have to be flawless defensively and most nights even if you are there are so few stats that prove defense that most people wont notice. That's our bad, our fault as a fanbase for not appreciating it. What's Frank's fault is not scoring a minimum amount to keep us from making those assertions. You gotta show something. I think hes done well this summer. FIBA is much different from the NBA. It's pure selfless ball. Everyone can shoot. Everyone can pass. If we're waiting for NBA stat lines then keep waiting. I guess the question should be how does he look as compared to other NBA caliber players on his own team. Obviously we're focusing on him but if Batum or whoever is shooting 9-12 pts as established stars and hed averaging 7 it gives you a decent indication as to how he is playing comparatively and I think hes been ok. Nothing great and definitely not worth an 8th pick but that **** has sailed for me anyway so...

[NYKnickerbocker]

Patty can get buckets. Frank probably to big to be chasing him around screens. Nice to see the little scoring outburst tho

I'm used to it on offense but now people making excuses for Frank ON DEFENSE?

Spoiler:

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His size on defense has always been touted as a strength, not a weakness. Which is why almost everyone has suggested he should play PG and guard the opposing point to disrupt the other team's offense.

i mean, patty mills has cooked better defenders than Frank bro lol. He’s a good offensive player. I’m not even a frank Stan like that. But I’m willing to be patient and let it play out. There’s potential in there. Not gunna get much for hiim, so try and help him grow or just let him go if he shows to be a absolute scrub. his value is pretty much nada atm anyway

[Fat Kat]

Read on Twitter

Uh oh. Battle of the Frank Nittys.

[Besart19]

Ntilikina / Smith / Payton
Trier / Ellington / Dotson
Barrett / Knox / Bullock
Randle / Morris / Brazdeikis
Robinson / Portis / Gibson

[3toheadmelo]

Lol I saw this on reddit

If Frank drops 8 points he's broken through the wall and he's finally on track.

Franky, prodigal child of ours, it's impossible he didn't show up against professional players. Let's start a petition to let Angola, Jordan, Japan compete in NBA. Our boy likes them amateur players, he can blast them with 7 or even 12 points if he decides to show them no mercy.

[MaseInYourFace]

Patty can get buckets. Frank probably to big to be chasing him around screens. Nice to see the little scoring outburst tho

I'm used to it on offense but now people making excuses for Frank ON DEFENSE?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

His size on defense has always been touted as a strength, not a weakness. Which is why almost everyone has suggested he should play PG and guard the opposing point to disrupt the other team's offense.

i mean, patty mills has cooked better defenders than Frank bro lol. He’s a good offensive player. I’m not even a frank Stan like that. But I’m willing to be patient and let it play out. There’s potential in there. Not gunna get much for hiim, so try and help him grow or just let him go if he shows to be a absolute scrub. his value is pretty much nada atm anyway

Patty mills is a nice player. He ain’t THAT good.

[MaseInYourFace]

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Uh oh. Battle of the Frank Nittys.

No battle. This the real one.

[F N 11]

Dude play like lance Stephenson. Don’t disrespect Frank Ntililikina Bc he would clamp his ass too. If basketball was just handle and moves a lot of guys would make it into the NBA.

[MaseInYourFace]

Dude play like lance Stephenson. Don’t disrespect Frank Ntililikina Bc he would clamp his ass too. If basketball was just handle and moves a lot of guys would make it into the NBA.

Lol


You mad

[F N 11]

Dude play like lance Stephenson. Don’t disrespect Frank Ntililikina Bc he would clamp his ass too. If basketball was just handle and moves a lot of guys would make it into the NBA.

Lol


You mad

Everything I said is pure facts.

[K_ick_God]

I used to feel kind of bad for myself and other Knick fans, about how terrible the Knicks have been for so long. Then I spend a little time reading on this forum and I say to myself "It's exactly what I/they deserve"

We are about to turn the corner. That extreme darkness signals an imminent dawn my friend.

[DOT]

Some of y'all gonna be this patient waiting for Frank to prove good:

Spoiler:

I like players that play the right way. They need to have talent as well.

I try to separate out the fact that young guys, 19 years old, will need time to get there, but not all of them will.

I've kind of moved on to RJ and Iggy, as they play the right way, but with a higher talent level.

I liked Ron Baker, for his approach, but he always needed to be a little taller and more athletic, and for his pro shot to tall like his college shot. To me, that's Iggy. Well, Iggy's got some of that Trier attitude too. Even better.

RJ will know will get minutes no matter what. Hopefully Iggy will too.

I just like guys that play defense, and Frank is a really good defensive player, especially for his age. My opinion is that it's easier to teach a guy to be serviceable on offense than it is to teach a guy to be serviceable on defense. Yeah, effort is a lot of it, but that only gets you so far. Look at Trey Burke, he was a garbage defender, but I saw him out there trying, he just doesn't have any of the natural ability to play defense. And for as inconsistent as Frank's shot is, it's not broken, he's just inconsistent with it like most young players. You see the same thing with Knox if you go month by month, he's either shooting 40% from 3, or 29%, it's the same scenario, he's just young so it's inconsistent, but it is there and you can develop it.

I could absolutely make the case that Knox was a worse player than Frank last year. But same thing with Frank, I'm not gonna sh*t talk the kid, I have patience for him. I don't defend him to the same level as Frank because, I do think he has a higher ceiling but as I said, I like defense, and Knox was arguably the worst defensive player in the league last year. So from a managerial perspective, I hold on to Knox over Frank without question, but as a fan, I like guys like Frank more. And I did the same thing with KP, I don't think it's fair to get hyper critical of guys in their rookie or sophomore years, but once you hit year 3, that's when being young isn't as much of an excuse.

I just don't get why some people act like asking for 3 years is being too patient, or that because he isn't gonna be a star that we should dump him for a late 2nd like every good team doesn't have role players starting or playing heavy minutes for them. I think 3 years is more than reasonable, especially when Frank has legitimate NBA talent on defense. If someone's saying we should hold onto him until he's 25, then yeah that's too much. That's like, the Raps traded away Bruno Caboclo after 3.5 years, and in his 5th year at 24 he actually put up some production on the Grizz. Even if he fills his potential there, I think the Raps cutting him loose was absolutely reasonable at the time. And I'll say it at the end of this year if Frank hasn't shown consistency. I just don't get the rush to dump him, we're not going anywhere this year anyways, so giving him one more year makes sense, cause we should be putting development first and foremost as opposed to next year when we have to be trying to win to appeal to FAs

And also, I absolutely support making fun of the people saying Frank's too smart to play in the NBA or some sh*t, that's like next level homerism

[god shammgod]

Some of y'all gonna be this patient waiting for Frank to prove good:

Spoiler:

I like players that play the right way. They need to have talent as well.

I try to separate out the fact that young guys, 19 years old, will need time to get there, but not all of them will.

I've kind of moved on to RJ and Iggy, as they play the right way, but with a higher talent level.

I liked Ron Baker, for his approach, but he always needed to be a little taller and more athletic, and for his pro shot to tall like his college shot. To me, that's Iggy. Well, Iggy's got some of that Trier attitude too. Even better.

RJ will know will get minutes no matter what. Hopefully Iggy will too.

I just like guys that play defense, and Frank is a really good defensive player, especially for his age. My opinion is that it's easier to teach a guy to be serviceable on offense than it is to teach a guy to be serviceable on defense. Yeah, effort is a lot of it, but that only gets you so far. Look at Trey Burke, he was a garbage defender, but I saw him out there trying, he just doesn't have any of the natural ability to play defense. And for as inconsistent as Frank's shot is, it's not broken, he's just inconsistent with it like most young players. You see the same thing with Knox if you go month by month, he's either shooting 40% from 3, or 29%, it's the same scenario, he's just young so it's inconsistent, but it is there and you can develop it.

I could absolutely make the case that Knox was a worse player than Frank last year. But same thing with Frank, I'm not gonna sh*t talk the kid, I have patience for him. I don't defend him to the same level as Frank because, I do think he has a higher ceiling but as I said, I like defense, and Knox was arguably the worst defensive player in the league last year. So from a managerial perspective, I hold on to Knox over Frank without question, but as a fan, I like guys like Frank more. And I did the same thing with KP, I don't think it's fair to get hyper critical of guys in their rookie or sophomore years, but once you hit year 3, that's when being young isn't as much of an excuse.

I just don't get why some people act like asking for 3 years is being too patient, or that because he isn't gonna be a star that we should dump him for a late 2nd like every good team doesn't have role players starting or playing heavy minutes for them. I think 3 years is more than reasonable, especially when Frank has legitimate NBA talent on defense. If someone's saying we should hold onto him until he's 25, then yeah that's too much. That's like, the Raps traded away Bruno Caboclo after 3.5 years, and in his 5th year at 24 he actually put up some production on the Grizz. Even if he fills his potential there, I think the Raps cutting him loose was absolutely reasonable at the time. And I'll say it at the end of this year if Frank hasn't shown consistency. I just don't get the rush to dump him, we're not going anywhere this year anyways, so giving him one more year makes sense, cause we should be putting development first and foremost as opposed to next year when we have to be trying to win to appeal to FAs

And also, I absolutely support making fun of the people saying Frank's too smart to play in the NBA or some sh*t, that's like next level homerism

knox was terrible. bad on d and inefficient on o. he got a long leash because they picked him. if he looks the same as year 1 everyone will be down on him too next summer. frank showed no improvement from year 1 to 2. he was actually a little worse in everything including defense. he could still turn it around but that's a red flag. but i agree, there's no rush to dump him unless you can get a decent 1st for him and that seems unlikely. so keep him for the year. maybe he gets his chance at some point and shows something. i wouldn't bet on it though.

[DOT]

I like players that play the right way. They need to have talent as well.

I try to separate out the fact that young guys, 19 years old, will need time to get there, but not all of them will.

I've kind of moved on to RJ and Iggy, as they play the right way, but with a higher talent level.

I liked Ron Baker, for his approach, but he always needed to be a little taller and more athletic, and for his pro shot to tall like his college shot. To me, that's Iggy. Well, Iggy's got some of that Trier attitude too. Even better.

RJ will know will get minutes no matter what. Hopefully Iggy will too.

I just like guys that play defense, and Frank is a really good defensive player, especially for his age. My opinion is that it's easier to teach a guy to be serviceable on offense than it is to teach a guy to be serviceable on defense. Yeah, effort is a lot of it, but that only gets you so far. Look at Trey Burke, he was a garbage defender, but I saw him out there trying, he just doesn't have any of the natural ability to play defense. And for as inconsistent as Frank's shot is, it's not broken, he's just inconsistent with it like most young players. You see the same thing with Knox if you go month by month, he's either shooting 40% from 3, or 29%, it's the same scenario, he's just young so it's inconsistent, but it is there and you can develop it.

I could absolutely make the case that Knox was a worse player than Frank last year. But same thing with Frank, I'm not gonna sh*t talk the kid, I have patience for him. I don't defend him to the same level as Frank because, I do think he has a higher ceiling but as I said, I like defense, and Knox was arguably the worst defensive player in the league last year. So from a managerial perspective, I hold on to Knox over Frank without question, but as a fan, I like guys like Frank more. And I did the same thing with KP, I don't think it's fair to get hyper critical of guys in their rookie or sophomore years, but once you hit year 3, that's when being young isn't as much of an excuse.

I just don't get why some people act like asking for 3 years is being too patient, or that because he isn't gonna be a star that we should dump him for a late 2nd like every good team doesn't have role players starting or playing heavy minutes for them. I think 3 years is more than reasonable, especially when Frank has legitimate NBA talent on defense. If someone's saying we should hold onto him until he's 25, then yeah that's too much. That's like, the Raps traded away Bruno Caboclo after 3.5 years, and in his 5th year at 24 he actually put up some production on the Grizz. Even if he fills his potential there, I think the Raps cutting him loose was absolutely reasonable at the time. And I'll say it at the end of this year if Frank hasn't shown consistency. I just don't get the rush to dump him, we're not going anywhere this year anyways, so giving him one more year makes sense, cause we should be putting development first and foremost as opposed to next year when we have to be trying to win to appeal to FAs

And also, I absolutely support making fun of the people saying Frank's too smart to play in the NBA or some sh*t, that's like next level homerism

knox was terrible. bad on d and inefficient on o. he got a long leash because they picked him. if he looks the same as year 1 everyone will be down on him too next summer. frank showed no improvement from year 1 to 2. he was actually a little worse in everything including defense. he could still turn it around but that's a red flag. but i agree, there's no rush to dump him unless you can get a decent 1st for him and that seems unlikely. so keep him for the year. maybe he gets his chance at some point and shows something. i wouldn't bet on it though.

I think there's a good chance Knox doesn't really improve, or at least doesn't improve as much as people expect next year

Mostly, where are his shots coming from now? If we start him, he's gonna be next to 3 shoot first guys in Randle, DSJ, and RJ. He's not taking shots from RJ, he's the 3rd pick. Randle's being paid 23 million so he gets priority too. And I don't think DSJ is gonna sacrifice shots for Knox, nor should he. And with guys like Morris and Portis coming off the bench looking to get paid in FA next year, they're not gonna want to sacrifice for him either. In theory this makes Knox more efficient, but in practice, I don't know. Plus now he's a full time SF, which means he's out of position on defense, so he might be just as bad if not worse. And he thinks Fiz was holding him accountable on that end, which is a pretty big red flag to me.

I'm a believer in trends. Bad rookie season is a bad rookie season, bad sophomore season maybe there's extenuating circumstances, but if you're still in the same place by year 3, that's when you've past the sunk cost point.

[god shammgod]

I just like guys that play defense, and Frank is a really good defensive player, especially for his age. My opinion is that it's easier to teach a guy to be serviceable on offense than it is to teach a guy to be serviceable on defense. Yeah, effort is a lot of it, but that only gets you so far. Look at Trey Burke, he was a garbage defender, but I saw him out there trying, he just doesn't have any of the natural ability to play defense. And for as inconsistent as Frank's shot is, it's not broken, he's just inconsistent with it like most young players. You see the same thing with Knox if you go month by month, he's either shooting 40% from 3, or 29%, it's the same scenario, he's just young so it's inconsistent, but it is there and you can develop it.

I could absolutely make the case that Knox was a worse player than Frank last year. But same thing with Frank, I'm not gonna sh*t talk the kid, I have patience for him. I don't defend him to the same level as Frank because, I do think he has a higher ceiling but as I said, I like defense, and Knox was arguably the worst defensive player in the league last year. So from a managerial perspective, I hold on to Knox over Frank without question, but as a fan, I like guys like Frank more. And I did the same thing with KP, I don't think it's fair to get hyper critical of guys in their rookie or sophomore years, but once you hit year 3, that's when being young isn't as much of an excuse.

I just don't get why some people act like asking for 3 years is being too patient, or that because he isn't gonna be a star that we should dump him for a late 2nd like every good team doesn't have role players starting or playing heavy minutes for them. I think 3 years is more than reasonable, especially when Frank has legitimate NBA talent on defense. If someone's saying we should hold onto him until he's 25, then yeah that's too much. That's like, the Raps traded away Bruno Caboclo after 3.5 years, and in his 5th year at 24 he actually put up some production on the Grizz. Even if he fills his potential there, I think the Raps cutting him loose was absolutely reasonable at the time. And I'll say it at the end of this year if Frank hasn't shown consistency. I just don't get the rush to dump him, we're not going anywhere this year anyways, so giving him one more year makes sense, cause we should be putting development first and foremost as opposed to next year when we have to be trying to win to appeal to FAs

And also, I absolutely support making fun of the people saying Frank's too smart to play in the NBA or some sh*t, that's like next level homerism

knox was terrible. bad on d and inefficient on o. he got a long leash because they picked him. if he looks the same as year 1 everyone will be down on him too next summer. frank showed no improvement from year 1 to 2. he was actually a little worse in everything including defense. he could still turn it around but that's a red flag. but i agree, there's no rush to dump him unless you can get a decent 1st for him and that seems unlikely. so keep him for the year. maybe he gets his chance at some point and shows something. i wouldn't bet on it though.

I think there's a good chance Knox doesn't really improve, or at least doesn't improve as much as people expect next year

Mostly, where are his shots coming from now? If we start him, he's gonna be next to 3 shoot first guys in Randle, DSJ, and RJ. He's not taking shots from RJ, he's the 3rd pick. Randle's being paid 23 million so he gets priority too. And I don't think DSJ is gonna sacrifice shots for Knox, nor should he. And with guys like Morris and Portis coming off the bench looking to get paid in FA next year, they're not gonna want to sacrifice for him either. In theory this makes Knox more efficient, but in practice, I don't know. Plus now he's a full time SF, which means he's out of position on defense, so he might be just as bad if not worse. And he thinks Fiz was holding him accountable on that end, which is a pretty big red flag to me.

I'm a believer in trends. Bad rookie season is a bad rookie season, bad sophomore season maybe there's extenuating circumstances, but if you're still in the same place by year 3, that's when you've past the sunk cost point.

i don't think knox is starting this year. i can't imagine morris came here without a starting guarantee. he knew there would be backlash by going back on his word. he didn't do that for a backup role. as a starter he might turn this opportunity into more money. and they're not benching randle or mitch. for a rookie he actually shot the 3 well. better than the 2 guys who were vying for rookie of the year. so that's where he'll get his points probably. his defense will likely still be bad. he might be a little better in the paint but i wouldn't expect much. but as long as he hits the 3 at a decent clip he'll make it to the next year. there is a lot of competition though for bench roles. shoot too badly and he might actually sit for awhile next year. i don't think he'll get the same leeway he did as a rook.

[moocow007]

Mills is a special type of player, with a non stop motor travelling all around the floor. Its hard to follow him everywhere even for the best defenders.
Nowadays, PG are taller and it fits Frank's D. Also in FIBA Mills polarizes the attention and everybody play for him! you dont have a PG with Mills' size and his type of game being a go to guy in the League.
Still worried ?

Lol there are actually way better players than Patty Mills at guard in the nba. He’s middle of the pack honestly.

and we’ve seen frank frustrate and do a good job on a lot of those tougher guards in the Lg. Probably just this particular matchup wasnt good for him

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