Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[El Poochio]

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[SelbyCobra]

I have major questions about Chanel now - is he not from the states? Because the only time I've ever seen anyone write out fifty cents as "c 50" is on really bad websites and e-mails where a non-native speaker has gotten or done a terrible translation.

Is Chanel European? Have I missed something along the way? Does this explanation his Jokic fanaticism?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I have major questions about Chanel now - is he not from the states? Because the only time I've ever seen anyone write out fifty cents as "c 50" is on really bad websites and e-mails where a non-native speaker has gotten or done a terrible translation.

Is Chanel European? Have I missed something along the way? Does this explanation his Jokic fanaticism?

Chanel is a sociopath, he could have multiple personality disorder too so one of his personalities is probably from Europe, we'll have to check and see if he types color and favorite with a "u".

[Nazrmohamed]

Problem with that all-nba season is that he was top 10 in touches per game, he had the ball more than Giannis, Embiid, Lillard, DONOVAN, Tatum, Curry and a host of other players and of course no fans. I don't think he can play without the ball, and I don't think he'd be able to simply get out of the way of plays and let them develop on their own.


Randle's stats are almost in lock step with his touches, meaning he's far less effective when the offense isn't revolving around him completely. Brunson and Mitchell have both shown they can play off the ball, both of them averaged less touches per game this season than Randle did. But here, you'd want to see them kick that up a notch and have the ball more than they did on their previous teams. So lets say Brunson and Mitchell end up combing for 155 touches per game, that would knock Randle down into the low 60s for touches per game, and his stats will be nowhere near All-nba level.

that's fine, we wouldn't want him carrying a team on his back anymore and that's the only way he can be an all NBA player. we should hope he averages like 16 and 8 with 3 or 4 assists a game, to me that would be good from the pf position. Maybe that's not worth what they're paying him but that's about what you'd want out of a 3rd or 4th option, you'd basically want his stats to drop like chris bosh 2013 2014 after he joined the heat, he wasn't putting up the numbers he did in Toronto but that was good for the team. I think there's a better chance randle respects players like brunson and donovan to let them run the show

The way he gets those numbers makes it hard to have a functioning offense, because he does not do things without the ball that you want from a high level role player. The issue of fit is real, he could have stats like Chris Bosh, he's not going to be getting those numbers in the flow of an offense, even with the Pelicans his stats didn't start to balloon until he became the focal point of the offense with his trusty sidekick Payton feeding him possessions. How you get your numbers is important, with ball dominant PnR creators like Brunson/Mitchell you want the guy who like Bosh, will just let plays develop and doesn't need to touch the ball, do DHO or screen every time down the floor.

It's not a matter of whether Randle respects them or not, it's that he's not effective off the ball and has never been effective off the ball at any point in his career. Just looking at stats Monta Ellis was a beast, but in reality he wasn't a good fit with anyone and played a losing brand of basketball.

He was also 24 and just coming into his game. I think when a player at 24 doesn't even know what he is we seemingly have more patience with them. And you act like before he was "the man" he couldn't play. Julius has always been productive at the very least. It's up to coach to make it work.

[Chanel Bomber]

that's fine, we wouldn't want him carrying a team on his back anymore and that's the only way he can be an all NBA player. we should hope he averages like 16 and 8 with 3 or 4 assists a game, to me that would be good from the pf position. Maybe that's not worth what they're paying him but that's about what you'd want out of a 3rd or 4th option, you'd basically want his stats to drop like chris bosh 2013 2014 after he joined the heat, he wasn't putting up the numbers he did in Toronto but that was good for the team. I think there's a better chance randle respects players like brunson and donovan to let them run the show

Oh, so you basically want him at Obi's per 36 numbers.



You don't have to twist Obi's arm and put him through emotional therapy sessions to make him embrace a role as 4th option to hit those numbers on very good efficiency....

Damn good point, also post all-star break Obi averaged 14ppg on 39 touches per game.




Obi is a finisher, you set him up, he finishes the plays. What is more likely to mesh with two ball dominant PnR creators, the finisher, or the ball dominant PF.

It doesn't really matter if neither player can stretch the floor though.

Obi is a more efficient finisher when he does get the ball.

Randle is a much better playmaker.

Both were bad on defense. Randle even worse than Obi. But Randle was legitimately good the year before. I don't really know what to make of that.

But what I do believe is that the archetype of both players is outdated at the 4 spot, and neither seems to have the defensive awareness to play the 5 outside of very specific match-ups, even though (as you know) I wish Thibs did play either one of them at the 5 more often against those match-ups. They're both stuck in positional no man's land.

Obi has a higher upside because of his athleticism and touch around the rim. Randle has a track record of one year but a track record nonetheless of being a plus starter. Yay.

Realistically I don't know that either player is really fit to be a starting 4 in today's NBA.

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My boy just texted me this lol.....this season is all about continuing the NY area homecoming .

DMitch was born in elmsford NY and one of his parents worked for the Mets. Melo is a New Yorker. Thibedeau is from the area (born in Connecticut) and coached here many years as an assistant. Brunson was born in Jersey and has many ties to the area.

Randle doesn't have many ties to the area so he will be shipped out...Obi born in Brooklyn so hes staying.

Lol might kind of fall into place ....

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[Chanel Bomber]

I have major questions about Chanel now - is he not from the states? Because the only time I've ever seen anyone write out fifty cents as "c 50" is on really bad websites and e-mails where a non-native speaker has gotten or done a terrible translation.

Is Chanel European? Have I missed something along the way? Does this explanation his Jokic fanaticism?

[KnixinSix]

After the ASB, when AD started basically playing half the time Randle became the focus of the offense, he was 2nd on the team in touches per game behind Payton who was feeding him to try and up his assist total so a stupid team would sign him, Jrue only played 8 games out of the 22, and it was the Payton/Randle show, they went 7-16.

Pre ASB the team was Jrue and AD leading them in touches per game, post ASB it was Payton and Randle (Payton averaged 11, 9, 7 after the break). Going by Pelicans stats isn't a good way to view things, it's how they got suckered by Elfrid.

When Randle doesn't ISO and makes quick attacks to the baskets he can be pretty effective in that type of role. He would /should be the 3rd or even 4th option should we land DM between DM,RJ,Brunson and him. Its up to Thibs and staff to design an appropriate offense that takes advantage of what our players strengths are.

Realistically Randle would be 6th man of the year type of player for a contender, too much of your offense needs to cater to him for him to be a 3rd/4th option, he burns through possessions to get his numbers.

I guess we might get a glimpse into Knicks thinking once the Mitchell domino falls one way or the other. I would be all for opening up the floor for Obi at the 4 who might be a much better complement for this team.

But if Randle stays I do see a few scenarios where he could be a strong positive for this team assuming he makes the necessary adjustments.

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His fluke, empty arena, ALL-NBA season is his curse....because now he thinks he is a star and needs to be the focal point of an offense. But he's not it...

If you want to see Randle thrive, then he basically needs to play off the ball and stop trying to create. If he's willing to drop the ego from that fluke All-NBA season and be a complementary piece, a 4th option, he can be efficient and quite good.

Randle-centric offense is bad basketball.

This we agree on and with Brunson and emerging youth or especially if we land Donovan, he will need to play more like he did in NOP. He has shown that he can play that way effectively already and I believe he will go back to playing like that (if he remains on the team).

I hope he does. It would be great to stagger his minutes also so he can do his thing.

I just think that Pandora's box was opened with that All-NBA, all star selection, and huge contract.

Some well-established stars are willing to make sacrifices in their play because being a star is not a novelty to them anymore...they just want to win.

Randle finally tasted stardom and god-like adoration for the first time in 7 years in the league. Being on commercials and all that jazz.

You really think he's trying to forfeit all that personal glory so someone else on the team can get it? Especially if the team wins with him playing fourth fiddle?

Randle’s not gonna take a backseat to anyone, and I don’t know how people that watched him last season could think otherwise. This little experiment has a chance to blow up if Randle’s still here. Julius trying to hijack possessions from Brunson, Brunson’s daddy getting pissed, Thibs being afraid of Randle. Then throw Donovan and RJ in the mix. Might have some locker room battles.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Oh, so you basically want him at Obi's per 36 numbers.



You don't have to twist Obi's arm and put him through emotional therapy sessions to make him embrace a role as 4th option to hit those numbers on very good efficiency....

Damn good point, also post all-star break Obi averaged 14ppg on 39 touches per game.




Obi is a finisher, you set him up, he finishes the plays. What is more likely to mesh with two ball dominant PnR creators, the finisher, or the ball dominant PF.

It doesn't really matter if neither player can stretch the floor though.

Obi is a more efficient finisher when he does get the ball.

Randle is a much better playmaker.

Both were bad on defense. Randle even worse than Obi. But Randle was legitimately good the year before. I don't really know what to make of that.

But what I do believe is that the archetype of both players is outdated at the 4 spot, and neither seems to have the defensive awareness to play the 5 outside of very specific match-ups, even though (as you know) I wish Thibs did play either one of them at the 5 more often against those match-ups. They're both stuck in positional no man's land.

Obi has a higher upside because of his athleticism and touch around the rim. Randle has a track record of one year but a track record nonetheless of being a plus starter. Yay.

Realistically I don't know that either player is really fit to be a starting 4 in today's NBA.

You don't need your PF to be a sniper from three, he only needs to be respectable, and Obi was respectable over a 45 game stretch. If Obi is making the three at league average rate he's a better player than Randle, especially for a team that wants to have two guards, it's really that simple to me.

Too many cooks in a kitchen is a real thing, the Celtics at one point had Kyrie, Hayward, Brown and Tatum, all those playmakers can step on each others toes. Eventually you need a guy who is just fine standing in the corner, do you think Randle is going to do that? You don't need your PF to be a playmaker, Randle handles the ball more than Giannis to generate these stats, simply getting out of the way would be a huge plus from the 4 spot.

A low usage PF that hustles is not in positional no man's land, that's basically what Siakam was for the Raptors when they won, an opportunistic scorer that just plays hard, Pascal shot 28% from three in the playoffs.

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[Knick4Real]

This makes a lot of sense!

We can't give up all our picks AND players. That would be insanity. I'd rather give 5-6 picks in order to keep a talented bench intact.